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Zephir

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1365 on: March 11, 2017, 06:08:24 PM »
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Steven Jones circuit: There are measurement errors its pretty obvious.
Prof. Jones himself admitted, than his circuit doesn't generate any overunity. And I don't think, that this particular circuit really generates some - the simple self-looped demo would demonstrate it already.

But there is really something about these Joule-Thief circuits and they periodically show up at YouTube, again and again. A FLEET (Forever Lead-Out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer) has secondary coils on top of the Joule Thief tuned to some resonance condition so that COP >1, once the secondary coil gets bifilar. I presume it's because the bifilar coil enables to drain energy from oscillating electromagnetic circuit without introducing the counter-electromotive force  into it.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1366 on: March 11, 2017, 07:13:55 PM »
Zephir
your example here
http://overunity.com/12686/is-joule-thief-circuit-gets-overunity/msg353409/#msg353409
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I believe Larry's [ Itseung]circuit has been looked at and similar issues were found [measurement error]
however if you feel something was missed or have other ideas which may yield results ?

please feel free to present a circuit for consideration ?

with respect
Chet K

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1367 on: March 11, 2017, 07:21:57 PM »
Zephir,

Your video link is now unavailable, did you have the presence of mind to save the MP4 via free service YouTube to MP4.

Anyways...Probably not.

He puts his email, try to contact him.

But beware of those mysterious Russians, they sometimes try to scam privately.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1368 on: March 12, 2017, 03:05:33 AM »
Hi. I had not visited this site pretty long time. In fact, I don't believe anymore in the concept of overunity presented in this forum, other than a nuclear origin. However, I still believe there is possible a concept of a more efficient battery or similar device. Recently I found this link where a girl (yes, a girl) says she invented such one. Since this presentation was published several months ago, I want to ask guys who more often visit this site, if they maybe spot some more info about this device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULtGWCalIYg

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1369 on: March 12, 2017, 06:17:38 AM »
Hi. I had not visited this site pretty long time. In fact, I don't believe anymore in the concept of overunity presented in this forum, other than a nuclear origin. However, I still believe there is possible a concept of a more efficient battery or similar device. Recently I found this link where a girl (yes, a girl) says she invented such one. Since this presentation was published several months ago, I want to ask guys who more often visit this site, if they maybe spot some more info about this device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULtGWCalIYg


Looks like a cell based in concentration gradients, with no details given its hard to tell. The girls probably invented nothing as they would have been under supervision and you will find that the real players will show their faces soon. It would be nice to know the full chemistry behind it, especially on how its recharged. As usual they are asking for $$$$ with no details given out.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1370 on: March 12, 2017, 06:46:35 AM »
Zephir
your example here
http://overunity.com/12686/is-joule-thief-circuit-gets-overunity/msg353409/#msg353409
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I believe Larry's [ Itseung]circuit has been looked at and similar issues were found [measurement error]
however if you feel something was missed or have other ideas which may yield results ?

please feel free to present a circuit for consideration ?

with respect
Chet K


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9RgjAgSQOg


Secondary winding on this joule thief fed a bi-filar primary
On a 7-inch steel toroid, through a second transistor
To light a another series of led's.
When switching out of phase, there were specific frequencies
at which led brightness increased and current draw from the
(mostly dead) battery decreased.


A single joule thief made from the 7-inch toroid, one transistor
and the same battery - did not function. There simply wasn't enough
power to saturate the large steel ring and light any led.




sm0ky2

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1371 on: March 12, 2017, 07:03:35 AM »
... I still believe there is possible a concept of a more efficient battery or similar device. Recently I found this link where a girl (yes, a girl) says she invented such one. Since this presentation was published several months ago, I want to ask guys who more often visit this site, if they maybe spot some more info about this device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULtGWCalIYg


It is a 4-tank salt battery.  Reduced to a small scale.
Sodium Chloride and Sodium Sulfate
With (purified) water the 4 tanks take on four distinct
Ionic solution states.
A membrane (or in this case a stack of membranes)
Controls a one-way flow of ions and cations that maintain
a charge separation with immense current carrying capacity.
Large scale salt batteries are already in commercial production
and use. What these girls have done is shrunk it down and
given it a portability never before seen in this type of battery.
Currently existing units are the size of a small building.


They can be charged by conventional means and store power for
an indefinite period of time. Some tens of decades (estimated).




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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1372 on: March 13, 2017, 03:55:53 PM »
Thanks guys.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1373 on: September 28, 2023, 05:42:48 PM »
Dr. Jones circuit puts out a 2.8 megahertz signal. The DVD audio signal is at a matching freqency. Most of us have seen digital frequency generators illuminate bulbs. It may be possible to illuminate LEDS through the USB port at this frequecy which is carried by a WiFi signal, not a bench model. The factory specifications on frequency and efficiency show the diode generates power with increased frequency.
Replicating this signal on a frequency generator and measuring its effect on an LED may show an overunity effect in the diode.


Phtovoltaic efficiency of 40% would yield over 3x the input from a sphere of bulbs and a shell of Photo Voltaic Collectors.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1374 on: September 30, 2023, 12:31:17 PM »
The Joule thief would only need to add 4 percent to run free at that frequency. This is inside the flyback boost capacity of the circuit. Running free of charge would accrue an OU factor reflecting multiples of the source power over time. Collecting power from a unity device would equal the efficiency of the voltaic cell. The LED generates nearly all its own power at that frequency. Simple math will prove the output minus the 60 percent collector loss makes an OU photonic reactor feasible.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1375 on: September 30, 2023, 03:51:25 PM »
The LED low voltage DC efficiency is 50%. Dr. Jones apparently compares the max efficency of the 2.8 mhz at 96% and computes the total energy saved as 8 times overnight. This k7nd of math is nothing more than voodoo.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1376 on: September 30, 2023, 10:13:21 PM »
How would the cost per watt of output to generate power with a photonic reactor compare to Solar Panels? The reactor gets a one half discount right off the bat. A flower of dialating collector petals that open for sunlight then enclosed LED's after dark has potential. Storage of. Excess power would be less costly than pumping water.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1377 on: October 01, 2023, 03:29:08 PM »
An input frequency of 2.8 Mhz will illuminate an LED nearly twice as bright as the same D.C. current. The Joule thief circuit may reach that freqency with greater efficiency, but gain is minimal compared to the power generated by the diode.

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1378 on: October 01, 2023, 03:42:56 PM »
Dr. Jones circuit puts out a 2.8 megahertz signal. The DVD audio signal is at a matching freqency. Most of us have seen digital frequency generators illuminate bulbs. It may be possible to illuminate LEDS through the USB port at this frequecy which is carried by a WiFi signal, not a bench model. The factory specifications on frequency and efficiency show the diode generates power with increased frequency.
Replicating this signal on a frequency generator and measuring its effect on an LED may show an overunity effect in the diode.


Phtovoltaic efficiency of 40% would yield over 3x the input from a sphere of bulbs and a shell of Photo Voltaic Collectors.
1 Hertz = 1 half positive phase and 1 half negative  phase CYCLE/CIRCUIT/'CRISIS'/Schwungkreis,by each cycle 2 EMP signals !
2,8 MHz = 2 800 KHz = 2 800 000 Hz   a 2 signals  = 5 600 000 signals PER SECOND

The above ,now red,written is in the ' per second' contexte,or not ,synchro1 ?!


How is here ≥ 100% efficiency or ' overunity' defined ?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/230-percent-efficient-leds


The industrial light source measurement STANDART  :  lumen/Watt IN ONE METRE DISTANCE
In 10 cm,in 1 cm distance measured  : applying a. inverse/square root law

http://www.huevaluechroma.com/106.php
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law



b. inverse /cube root law ?
light source in a silvern( mirror/reflector ) coated round tube
« Last Edit: October 01, 2023, 05:47:19 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?
« Reply #1379 on: October 01, 2023, 05:22:34 PM »
                                                                                                          230% OU                                                                                       


                                                                   Ultra-efficient LED puts out more power than is pumped in[

MIT physicists have been testing a light-emitting diode that has an electrical efficiency of more than 100 percent. You may ask, "Wouldn't that mean it breaks the first law of thermodynamics?" The answer, happily, is no.
The LED produces 69 picowatts of light using 30 picowatts of power, giving it an efficiency of 230 percent. That means it operates above "unity efficiency" -- putting it into a category normally occupied by perpetual motion machines.

However, while MIT's diode puts out more than twice as much energy in photons as it's fed in electrons, it doesn't violate the conservation of energy because it appears to draw in heat energy from its surroundings instead. When it gets more than 100 percent
electrically[/i]-efficient, it begins to cool down, stealing energy from its environment to convert into more photons.

The LED's are turned practically all the way down for the highest level of efficiency. Not much advantage for a Photonic Reactor.


Thanks to LancaIV again!