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Author Topic: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists  (Read 165853 times)

Offline wings

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #75 on: May 20, 2011, 09:45:13 PM »
my experience is much less than yours, just a reading hobby with small experiments.
I read a document in the past by Cyril Smith that speculated about OU from a cycle by BH magnetization.

now no longer found in internet and I have only one copy on paper and I will find it.

thought: in this case the ferrite core domains are aligned in some direction, direction changes do not start from random arrangements that involving more flipping energy ....

in any case more in: phase i.e. more rapid, more powerful

Energia Celeste have the pulse delay coils installed within the magnet!!

Kunel also ?
relating to magnetic domain alignement by external magnets

here two experiments that explain the effect of stator magnets effect on coils during

motor configuration = magnetLauncher

generator configuration = solidStateGenerator

in the generator phase the you have to assume the equivalent effect (in reality you move by rotation the small magnet and so you recover by the coil the energy)

http://science.net84.net/magnetic-generators/generatorY.html


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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #75 on: May 20, 2011, 09:45:13 PM »

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #76 on: May 20, 2011, 11:12:13 PM »
Fausto may smite us all for the theoretical discussion, but...

Assuming that magnetic viscosity delays the propagation but does not eliminate the energy, even 10us might be useful at a high enough rotation speed. The rotor magnet approaching the coil will induce an opposing field in the coil, and as it crosses over the center-line of the magnet, that will reverse into an attracting field. Both will produce drag equal to the power induced. However, if the repulsive field stays around long enough to start pushing the rotor magnet past the coil, that cancels some of the drag coming in. The longer that reversal is delayed, the more that you will have current in the coil that isn't producing a net drag.

Even 10us delay at the speeds that RomeroUK is running might produce a significant bias. I did a quick estimate, and it looks like 10us could shift the effective reversal by a couple of mm. Additionally, the diode bridge will chop the current as it pulls back from the high point, which may further delay the ferrite's ability to reverse the field...since it will also delay the establishment of the reversed field...it takes energy to remove the existing magnetic field. It would stand to reason that a high coercivity material will delay both the onset of the repulsive field and the reversal of it into an attractive field.

Just thinking out loud.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2011, 12:28:06 AM »
hi LtBolo,
Have you thought about that very long time and very many peoples have been messed with PM motors and generators, some of are very smart, some bit less ... Why none expert in detected such kind phenomenon you are talking about ???
Im not belittling you, not talk down - Im just asking - perhaps you are right,
How about to know what is your experience about this area?
Or you just read something like that from somewhere ::)
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khabe

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2011, 12:28:06 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2011, 12:54:40 AM »
Fausto may smite us all for the theoretical discussion, but...

Cool. It is progress what you are doing. The problem is non sense discussions, ranting and so on.

Good talk.

Fausto

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2011, 12:54:55 AM »
 @Khabe

Magnetic viscosity is a well established phenomenon.

The idea of the phase delay due to it is my own idea, but I am sure that others have considered it as well. I didn't think it was viable since I was expecting it to be a nanosecond delay...not microseconds. At microseconds and 100s or 1000s of Hz, it could make a very significant change to the integrated drag force.

It is also interesting that the thing that makes this work as a generator would be seen as losses in a motor. The very reason that pulse motors can approach 100% efficiency is due to the ability to tighly control pulse phase and duration, thus eliminating those losses.

As for all of the smart people that haven't seen this...well...how many overunity devices have you seen? I'm just suggesting reasons why RomeroUK's device worked...not trying to explain the 99% failures.

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Offline khabe

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2011, 01:21:16 AM »
@Khabe

Magnetic viscosity is a well established phenomenon.

The idea of the phase delay due to it is my own idea, but I am sure that others have considered it as well. I didn't think it was viable since I was expecting it to be a nanosecond delay...not microseconds. At microseconds and 100s or 1000s of Hz, it could make a very significant change to the integrated drag force.

It is also interesting that the thing that makes this work as a generator would be seen as losses in a motor. The very reason that pulse motors can approach 100% efficiency is due to the ability to tighly control pulse phase and duration, thus eliminating those losses.

As for all of the smart people that haven't seen this...well...how many overunity devices have you seen? I'm just suggesting reasons why RomeroUK's device worked...not trying to explain the 99% failures.

Agree, but delay depends about materials you use, ferrite, at least by my opinion, is the last material for to use in generators and motors.
I do not name myself as smart guy,
I havent seen any OU,
I have not seen Romeros device works, just bad quality videos and messy talking about,
When in some video half of magnets missed, then ... "tuning!" :o
I cant speak it does not work or it does work, may be, but ... I do not believe,
I did read many times all his posts ... every time found more and more incompatibilities,
He does not remember what he spoke last time or last week, comes nervous  when to ask ... speakings about huge lot of work experience ...
And ... like again and again  - a visit of cruel man in black 8)
of course, this just my opinion,
We´ll see  ::)
cheers,
khabe


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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2011, 01:29:41 AM »
Today I got my bearings with a 12mm rod. I mounted to my rotor with magnets already positioned.

Now I am going to work on the top/bottom stators and the stable station. Later insert the relay coils and give it a spin.

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
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Offline LtBolo

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2011, 01:48:05 AM »
Agree, but delay depends about materials you use, ferrite, at least by my opinion, is the last material for to use in generators and motors.

According to what I am suggesting, the ferrite's high coercivity, and because of that a tendency to cause a phase shift, would be the very reason that it worked. Is that best for motors and generators? Conventional ones, no.

I have not seen Romeros device works, just bad quality videos and messy talking about,
When in some video half of magnets missed, then ... "tuning!" :o
I cant speak it does not work or it does work, may be, but ... I do not believe,
I did read many times all his posts ... every time found more and more incompatibilities,

You have made it abundantly clear in the other thread that you don't believe, and it is your privilege to choose not to believe. Myself and others are discussing reasons why it might work, not discussing why it can't. I would respectfully suggest that you drop that, especially when the moderator has asked that the focus remain positive.

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« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2011, 05:01:34 AM »
Working now on the stators. Tomorrow I will cut it and mount the whole station. Hopefully even run a single coil or two test.

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2011, 05:01:34 AM »
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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2011, 08:04:04 AM »
LtBolo,
Looks like you do not use soft ferrite but hard ferrite  :o
cheers,
khabe

Soft ferrites
 Ferrites that are used in transformer or electromagnetic cores contain nickel, zinc, or manganese compounds. They have a low coercivity and are called soft ferrites. Because of their comparatively low losses at high frequencies, they are extensively used in the cores of switched-mode power supply (SMPS) and RF transformers and inductors. A common ferrite, chemical symbol MnZn, is composed of the oxides of manganese and zinc.
 Hard ferrites
 In contrast, permanent ferrite magnets (or "hard ferrites"), which have a high remanence after magnetization, are composed of iron and barium or strontium oxides. In a magnetically saturated state they conduct magnetic flux well and have a high magnetic permeability. This enables these so-called ceramic magnets to store stronger magnetic fields than iron itself. They are the most commonly used magnets in radios. The maximum magnetic field B is about 0.35 tesla and the magnetic field strength H is about 30 to 160 kiloampere turns per meter (400 to 2000 oersteds).

 

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2011, 11:53:02 AM »
LtBolo,
Looks like you do not use soft ferrite but hard ferrite  :o
cheers,
khabe

Soft ferrites
 Ferrites that are used in transformer or electromagnetic cores contain nickel, zinc, or manganese compounds. They have a low coercivity and are called soft ferrites. Because of their comparatively low losses at high frequencies, they are extensively used in the cores of switched-mode power supply (SMPS) and RF transformers and inductors. A common ferrite, chemical symbol MnZn, is composed of the oxides of manganese and zinc.
 Hard ferrites
 In contrast, permanent ferrite magnets (or "hard ferrites"), which have a high remanence after magnetization, are composed of iron and barium or strontium oxides. In a magnetically saturated state they conduct magnetic flux well and have a high magnetic permeability. This enables these so-called ceramic magnets to store stronger magnetic fields than iron itself. They are the most commonly used magnets in radios. The maximum magnetic field B is about 0.35 tesla and the magnetic field strength H is about 30 to 160 kiloampere turns per meter (400 to 2000 oersteds).


Khabe :

You have a great experience, what is your suggestion to make a device that use the LtBolo phenomenon of magnetic viscosity?


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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2011, 12:53:20 PM »
@Khabe .I find it strange that as a sceptic you just "happen " to know the telephone number of Bill Muller`s daughter . I also find it strange that she does not post here . But I bet she does a lot of reading ...

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2011, 01:03:27 PM »
wings,
About common motors and generators yes I have some  experiences, but I have never told I have experiences with OU,
I have tried some ideas but never achieved any success  ::) But can I ask - who have successful experiences with OU ? 8)
I do not try to dis anybody, I have repeated many times,
Just when anyone uses some specific term then Im a little bid interested - does he know what it means at all ::)
Why to take ill  ???
Some guys are so hyperaesthete you even cant ask why repellent magnets on his replication are so tiny - right away takes umbrage and goes sulk >:(
Very sad of course,
best regards,
khabe

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #88 on: May 21, 2011, 01:27:43 PM »
@Khabe .I find it strange that as a sceptic you just "happen " to know the telephone number of Bill Muller`s daughter . I also find it strange that she does not post here . But I bet she does a lot of reading ...

Dont worry, body,
I did not give phone number was just link to homepage  8)
I had some contact with Bill in nineties, never spoken with his daughter just in this century got few emails something like "Muller machine news", nothing else.
cheers,
khabe

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #89 on: May 21, 2011, 06:36:27 PM »
LtBolo,
Looks like you do not use soft ferrite but hard ferrite  :o

Haven't used anything hard or soft Khabe, just reasoning out loud.

Part of the scientific process is making predictions and testing those predictions. I am starting from the viewpoint that RomeroUK's device worked as described, and am attempting have discussion with others about a possible mode of operation. I am neither a skeptic nor a believer, nor am I an optimist or a pessimist. I am an electrical engineer by education and best described as a pragmatist. What works, works.

In the end I believe that so-called 'free energy' has a quantum origin. I believe that the quantum is powered by a virtually infinite source of energy. I believe that Einstein missed it in some major ways and mankind is still paying the price for that. I believe that nature was designed to be inherently stable, and a major part of maintaining that stability requires that creating an imbalance is difficult. I do think it is possible, but I am certain it isn't the most straightforward or obvious thing.

My comments about the possible phase shift due to magnetic viscosity was simply voicing a possible mode of operation for RomeroUK's device. I thought of it a while ago, but it seemed more plausible after seeing the discussion between Teslaalset and Wings regarding the propagation times of magnetic fields. To the extent that propagation can become a macro effect, it might be a viable answer. In essence, if we can create a delay between action and reaction, such that the reaction actually becomes helpful, the mechanical load on the rotor might be greatly reduced relative to the amount of power generated. By combining that with a highly efficient pulse motor, even small amounts of OU may become measurable.

 

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