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conradelektro

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #120 on: May 27, 2011, 07:32:23 PM »
Conrad, looks interesting but what keeps the toroid from pumping power into the other gen coils?

@TEKTRON, nul-points, Stefan:

The critical factor is exactly the influence of the generator coils on each other via their "feed windings" on the toroid.

The "pick up winding" does not pose a theoretical problem (in my opinion).

And I hope that all generator coils and their "feed windings" just swing along unisono. Meaning, that all coils (generator coils and feed windings) swing at the same frequency and at each pulse (complete sine wave) only one pair of generator coils feed in "power" (via the "feed winding" they are connected to).

The big question, do the generator coils which are not energized by the passing magnet (all but one pair) dampen the power put in by the energized generator coil pair to the toroid significantly?

I guess, only the experiment can show the way forward.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: I am waiting for the delivery of a 4 mm Phenol Hartgewebeplatte PFCC201 ca. 500 x 250 mm
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160446209722

I could mill a few fairly good round disks and drill holes at exact angles with a dividing head and a press drill. These tests were done with acrylic.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #121 on: May 27, 2011, 08:15:21 PM »
@TEKTRON, nul-points, Stefan:
[...]
The big question, do the generator coils which are not energized by the passing magnet (all but one pair) dampen the power put in by the energized generator coil pair to the toroid significantly?

I guess, only the experiment can show the way forward.

Greetings, Conrad
[...]

i look forward to hearing any results with interest

good luck, Conrad!

np


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teslaalset

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #122 on: May 28, 2011, 01:07:35 PM »
I found an interesting article from Steorn on using a stationary and a moving magnet at both ends of a ferrite rod.
Mind the results of Experiment 4: asymmetric Non-linear MH.
Might have some relation with RomeroUK's findings...

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #123 on: May 28, 2011, 04:15:23 PM »
I found an interesting article from Steorn on using a stationary and a moving magnet at both ends of a ferrite rod.
Mind the results of Experiment 4: asymmetric Non-linear MH.
Might have some relation with RomeroUK's findings...

relation also here?
http://books.google.com/books?id=iwEAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.3690;wap2

http://www.tcs-access.com/sensor/english/wiegandeffect.htm
http://www.tcs-access.com/sensor/english/4129800.pdf
http://www.borderlands.de/Links/PSMM%20-%20SPESIF%202010%20-%20Valone.pdf


The Wiegand effect is a macroscopic extension of the Barkhausen effect as the special treatment (twisted like litz?) of the Wiegand wire causes the wire to act macroscopically as a single large magnetic domain. The small high-coercivity domains in the Wiegand wire outer shell switch in an avalanche, generating the Wiegand effect's rapid magnetic field change.

« Last Edit: May 28, 2011, 05:30:19 PM by wings »

teslaalset

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #124 on: May 28, 2011, 04:48:02 PM »
relation also here?
http://books.google.com/books?id=iwEAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.3690;wap2

The Wiegand effect is a macroscopic extension of the Barkhausen effect as the special treatment (twisted like litz?) of the Wiegand wire causes the wire to act macroscopically as a single large magnetic domain. The small high-coercivity domains in the Wiegand wire outer shell switch in an avalanche, generating the Wiegand effect's rapid magnetic field change.

@Wings,
After reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiegand_effect I don't think there's a relation.
But still an interesting effect!
(the patents at the bottom of the wiki page show nice details)

plengo

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #125 on: May 29, 2011, 02:08:05 AM »
FYI: today I had my cisco router "bricked" by an outside party. The attack has been very well designed with the intention to kill my router, which they succeed.

I had to by a new router for another $150.00. I don't see this as a coincidence, but I am crazy anyway.

Fausto.

ps: more progress done today. I got the rotor balanced with the shaft, bearings and stators. I will setup the coil connections tomorrow.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2011, 04:25:54 AM by plengo »

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #126 on: May 30, 2011, 03:30:40 AM »
Plengo how did they brick your cisco router ? Were you running third party firmware "DDWRT" on your router?

I find claims like this rather amazing not to say that it is impossible but it is not likely someone just bricked your cisco router...

You could do this by uploading a bunk firmware to the router sure but you would first need wired access to it or it would fail... I am sure something could be scripted to do it but very few people are capeable of such a thing really.

It would be likely more easy to turn up the output of the antenna signal to something high to make your router burn up in a jiffy if you were running DDWRT or something of that nature.

Secure your wireless connection surely nothing is 100% secure and I'm sure I could figure out your password with backtrack likely by salting a gigantic password list but it would likely take a while if you were using WPA2 PSK ... But to actually brick your router that is a whole different story wireless bricking requires a fairly extensive knowledge of your particular router unless as I said you are running a 3rd party firmware.

Possible but not likely.

While I doubt the MIB's are after you and this is just sheer coincidence good luck with your build off to a good start.

150bux for a router sheesh I have three wireless n cisco routers laying around here I would've sold you for like 30.00 plus shipping sheesh! Must be one hell of a router mind if I ask you which model you had and which model you currently bought?

plengo

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #127 on: May 30, 2011, 04:57:11 AM »
I know!!!! And it is Bricked for good. I try every trick on the net to revive it but no luck. I had a Linksys E2000. First time I was using a simple password. No DDWRT.

My new router is NetGear-N750, much faster than the previous one and this time only MAC address of my stuff will be allowed.

I am very surprised too but this is actually the third time that happened. The first time I did not know anything about routers but after twice I studied a little bit and now I know a lot more. Whoever is doing this is doing in purpose because is not the first time. I have no idea why but It all started after my first videos on Youtube about free energy. Figures!!!

I don't think it is MIBs, they have more important things to do and off course they could simply knock my door and take everything without any hassles, after all this is USA the country of "freedom".

Fausto.

infringer

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #128 on: May 30, 2011, 07:27:42 AM »
lol fausto a mac address protection is alright but that is what they use to grab your packets they knock a connection off with a mac address and sit in the middle I could set my wireless mac address to whatever I want.

If they are that hard core where they can brick your router a mac address protection will not help you. Anyhow it is possible that you are having brown outs or whatever I have the equvialents to the e2000 routers. Bummer I am sorry you have had these issues with routers but I would invest in a surge strip or better yet a UPS to protect this at that rate cause surge strips prevent spikes ups will prevent spikes and lows aka brown out conditions you could actually cause these conditions if you have too much hooked into the same breaker.

I think it is coincidence bud nothing to worry about. As far as someone bricking your router.

I do however understand your views on the US not being constitutional as of late we have really went out of our way to overturn the rules that this great nation was founded on and even then there are government agencies that do not have to follow any rules most times they are companies that are hired to work outside of the rules that law enforcement must abide by.

But in your case I think you are safe.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #129 on: May 30, 2011, 10:46:54 PM »
Today i started my Romero/Muller and guess what happens? nothing. The coils are absolutely the wrong resistance, 150+ohms is too high and does not allow much current consequently much attractive/repulsive magnetic field. It could be also the wrong cores.

I was suspicious this would happened and that's why I ordered the Litz wire but they are taking soooooo long to get here.

I changed the ball bearings for my ceramic and still no good. So it is not the friction but the coils. The good thing about those relay coils is that they create a lot of voltage just by spinning the rotor at 10 rpm or less, very impressive.

I may switch just the driving coils with coils of less than one ohm and see what happens.

One thing is for sure, if this motor was a scam, it means that Romero spent a good amount of money a time just to fake it because this is not a simple Bedini SSG motor. It is very tricky and as toranarod said, there are lots of places for tunning and research.

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #130 on: June 01, 2011, 12:04:58 AM »
Today I ordered from another source Litz wire with the spec from Romero. 36 AWG 7 strands (0.125mm) each strand.

It will be here by next weekend. I also going to replace my coils with those hand wound coils. I few things I learned with the current 156 ohms coils from relays.

The speed of rotation is below 15 rpm or so. Very little speed BUT it does have a good torque which is very surprising. I think the core that came with the relays causes the rotor to be very rigid, even after replacing my bearings and shaft with ceramic and 5mm shaft. Which I used many times and they spin very freely.

So the cogging with those powerful magnets and the not correct cores causes too much friction and very little rotation.

Another interesting thing is that with that setup I was also able to produce easily above 20v per magnet pass on the generator coils and running lamp loads. So less than 15 rpm and still producing good amount of energy and torque.

So lots to learn even from my mistakes. It is as if the magnets repelling force when overcomed also produces a very good acceleration that provides a very good differential therefore more energy out.
Also the torque is very strong since the repelling force is also strong. Very strange and not very intuitive to be honest. I know some "experts" will say that this is all conventional and very intuitive but I am not saying anything special either. So please spare me.

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #131 on: June 01, 2011, 03:45:46 AM »
Hi Fausto,
with the higher resistance coils, you just need higher
supply voltages.
Maybe you can try to use a 1:1 transformer from the 120 Volts AC grid ( You are living in the USA, right ? )
with a bridge rectifier
and cap and use this as the input voltage ?

Surely you can also try to use a few 12 Volts batteries in series to get a higher input voltage.

The only difference you might get is that the L of the coils is bigger, thus the motor would not run as fast
as the complex impedance is bigger and thus the RL timeconstants of the coils needs longer charging and discharging
times.

But with higher impedance coils you could also have less input power as it is also in Newman motors...

Hope this helps.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #132 on: June 01, 2011, 04:09:58 AM »
Ferrite made with black sand video by Peter Linderman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4NBR0cl0b8

and how to make your own cores

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA8HalLJ92c&NR=1

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #133 on: June 01, 2011, 05:22:34 PM »
Hi Fausto,
with the higher resistance coils, you just need higher
supply voltages.
Maybe you can try to use a 1:1 transformer from the 120 Volts AC grid ( You are living in the USA, right ? )
with a bridge rectifier
and cap and use this as the input voltage ?

Surely you can also try to use a few 12 Volts batteries in series to get a higher input voltage.

The only difference you might get is that the L of the coils is bigger, thus the motor would not run as fast
as the complex impedance is bigger and thus the RL timeconstants of the coils needs longer charging and discharging
times.

But with higher impedance coils you could also have less input power as it is also in Newman motors...

Hope this helps.
Regards, Stefan.

Thanks Stefan, yes I did use my power supply with 30 volts to do just that and indeed it works with low speed at that higher voltage. What I am really surprised is the torque amount (felt by holding the shaft with my fingers tightly) and the good amount of voltage generated by those coils at such a low speed.

The cogging is bad and good. Bad because it takes a good amount of force to overcome and good because you get all back after overcoming TDC and the ratio of speed is really fast which creates a good rate of change and therefore higher induction. The coils also have much higher induction than Romero's coils, it is around 156mh as you stated correctly.

Fausto.

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Re: Muller Dynamo for experimentalists
« Reply #134 on: June 01, 2011, 09:59:40 PM »
Hi all,I have question romerouk pulled rf chokes from equipment and used the core
from the choke.Is the choke the same as sold by radio shack?Does the core fit thru the bobbin
with out either boring the bobbin or using a dremal tool to shave down the core.
If he did have to make the
 core fit which method did he use boring the bobbin or shaving the core or both.