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Title: The air car
Post by: momo on May 29, 2006, 12:23:34 PM
Hi,

Have any of you heard of the "compressed air technology"?

There is a factory in france making cars running on compressed air, you can have some info on it at www.mdi.lu (http://www.mdi.lu)

Also, can someone go there to check if it is a reliable technology and if it meets the performances listed by the owners?

It could be a good alternative for fuel cars.

Thanks

Title: Re: The air car
Post by: lancaIV on May 29, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
The visit of the   www.aircaraccess.com  page could be in your interest !

S
  dL
Title: Re: The air car
Post by: omnicognic on June 12, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
Many years ago I watched a demonstration of a "diesel" engine running off liquid nitrogen. The cylinders compressed and thus heated the air in the cylinders, then liquid nitrogen was injected and expanded rapidly driving the engine without combustion..
There were numerous applications stated for this technology, but for the life of me, I can't remember any of them! lol
Title: Re: The air car
Post by: Reformator on September 25, 2008, 11:04:25 AM
India is trying to produce such vehicles. What's the status of their Air Car?
Title: Re: The air car
Post by: Tommey Reed on August 05, 2009, 02:38:30 PM
This is my 99% efficiency air engine in action....

http://www.youtube.com/user/OverUnityNow1#play/all/uploads-all/0/ccic7CH4sOY

Tom
Title: Re: The air car
Post by: Cloxxki on August 05, 2009, 06:09:34 PM
User Cloudseeder over on the supposedly more serious FE forum webiste, has proposed an engine where in a chamber (cilinder) a drop cooled liquid air/oxygen would be exposed to extra hot steam, to result in a violent implosion. The implosion would such in steam on the other side of the piston I supposed, for it all to repeat itself. First you need supercool air and superheated steam though.

Tommey's setup (seen before on Youtube) seems to be the best lifeline pure compressed air will ever get for kinetic work application.

Tommey, have you ever made a formula to express how much kinetic energy you could extract from a V volume unit of compressed air, at P pressure? That might offer us insight how it would perform compared to typical petrol cars and bikes.
I granted the budget, I'd design a vehicle with the gas cilinders as integral part of the chassic. Silly to regard it as add-on only.

BUT, how efficient is current technology in turning "green" electricity or even direct wind power, into compressed air as storage medium?
Title: Re: The air car
Post by: Tommey Reed on August 05, 2009, 06:27:50 PM
Yes, I do know how much air at 3200 psi in a scuba tank could run the Ratchet engine, and hp.

(3200 x .44)/14.7 = 95.78 cu/ft in a basic scuba tank or 96 cu/ft
(3200 x .44cu/ft)/ 120 psi =11.73 cu/ft

(10 ft/lb x 3600 rpm's)/5252=6.85hp using (12x3600)/1728=25 cu/ft in one minute,
It take about 20 minutes at 5hp to fill 96cu/ft scuba tank, no free lunch...
But, the compressor could make 120 psi constant with less time and energy...
You could store at 240psi and using Charles law,Gas laws. The heat will increase pressure tank using solar heating


Hope this helps...

Tom
Title: Re: The air car
Post by: AlanA on August 08, 2009, 08:52:27 PM
@ Tommey

I am very surpriced that you claim that your air engine is 99 % efficient.

You have written:
(10 ft/lb x 3600 rpm's)/5252=6.85hp using (12x3600)/1728=25 cu/ft in one minute,
This means to me that a scuba tank (96 cu/ft) is empty in less than 4 minutes.

Your have written:
It take about 20 minutes at 5hp to fill 96cu/ft scuba tank.

Please can you explain how this air engine is 99 % efficient?

Alana
Title: Re: The air car
Post by: Cloxxki on August 08, 2009, 10:44:33 PM
Thanks Tommey. Although emperial does remain a head scratcher for an old worlder.

Almost 7hp for almost 4 minutes? That would be enough to power a typical go-cart (5.5hp?) pm a winding course for about a 10-minute stint (braking and coasting, even some re-pressurizing).
Or, when using it all, in a straight line, aerodynamically enclosed mini-car on bike-like wheels, it might reach speeds well above highway legal, getting like ~10km out of it, when allowing it to roll out for a another minute.
On an aerodynamic record recumbent bike, speeds would be surely lethal, or at moderate speeds, give like an hour or more at 60mph. At merely 400W, those babies roll 50mph, you know.
That would all be not bad AL ALL, comparing to allowing a person to breath for an hour or so.
If that's what you get by taking inefficiency out of the equasion : wow!

While heat can increase pressure, can it increase vehicle mileage, when the actual work is done at 120psi? I would think that having more air mass stored at lower pressure would bring greater mileage?

I bet that while Tommey's rotary piston engine designs do seem plausibly 99% efficient, seeing his video's, perhaps the actual compressor at hand isn't, at least not yet :-)
Or DID you manage to reverse the engine, Tommey?
Title: Re: The air car
Post by: Tommey Reed on August 08, 2009, 11:45:05 PM
When I talk about efficient air engine, I mean that the heat that runs most  engine shows a lost. if you have a basic piston engine running off of air, it's still no different then if it was gas powered.
The most efficiency is about 20%-25% or 75% wasted energy of energy.
The ratchet or the rotary piston engine are basicly the same, one is linear and the other rotational. Each offers instant torque at TDC, unlike  the basic piston and crank engine.

This is my web site for more information of both engines.

http://overunitynow.com/

Tom.

Title: Re: The air car
Post by: altenergyshift on June 27, 2010, 08:08:09 AM
You just don't hear about these things on CNN for sure. We need to get the word out on all these alternatives.
Title: Re: The air car
Post by: leo48 on June 27, 2010, 09:50:03 PM
The energy required to compress air for about 40% is transformed into heat that is needlessly hopeless, and then lost.
Then when you use the motor temperature drops, creating problems lubrication and freezing of condensate. ???
Leo48