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Airstriker

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #210 on: February 04, 2012, 02:12:03 PM »

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #211 on: February 04, 2012, 02:26:26 PM »
The author is 'having you on' Pal.    All this design is, is a variation on a BASKARA WHEEL ------------------ they don't work,
and they never will ------ Sorry!
BILL.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #212 on: February 04, 2012, 05:59:16 PM »
Thanks Vidar,
                 I hope you and your family enjoy the new place, as much as I think you will.   With the extra space you have, I hope you find time to return to your 'old' ways, and catch up on lost time etc....
Before I retired, I was a builder ------- so I know just how much 'mess' there can be --------------- it'll
take time, but eventually  everything will, I'm sure, sort itself out.  GOOD LUCK.

BILL.
We have now put our small apartment for sale - finally! People will show up tomorrow, hopeully, and then we can get the h.... out of this tiny space. Take a look at the advertisement here (Norwegian):
http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/homes/object?finnkode=32981325


It looks like the area inside is huge on the pictures, but that is how the pictures are taken.


The new house is soon finished. Hopefully I can start my Zipper-motor idea and build something in the garage (Which is finished btw.). Right now the garage is filled with tools, kitchen parts, and most of our inventory. I must clean up the place before I can start experimenting. I look so much forward to it, I have no words! Myself, an inventor, hobbyist, and woodworker etc, living in a tiny useless space for allmost 11 years, are soon free :-)


Vidar

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #213 on: February 04, 2012, 08:46:42 PM »
We have now put our small apartment for sale - finally! People will show up tomorrow, hopeully, and then we can get the h.... out of this tiny space. Take a look at the advertisement here (Norwegian):
http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/homes/object?finnkode=32981325


It looks like the area inside is huge on the pictures, but that is how the pictures are taken.


The new house is soon finished. Hopefully I can start my Zipper-motor idea and build something in the garage (Which is finished btw.). Right now the garage is filled with tools, kitchen parts, and most of our inventory. I must clean up the place before I can start experimenting. I look so much forward to it, I have no words! Myself, an inventor, hobbyist, and woodworker etc, living in a tiny useless space for allmost 11 years, are soon free :-)


Vidar

  Are all Norwegians so spoiled ?

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #214 on: February 05, 2012, 12:29:14 AM »
Vidar,
        I sincerely hope you and your family enjoy the house you've built -------------- it's taken long enough!   GOOD LUCK!
It will of course, take more time however, to finnish off the last bits etc...,   THEN you can concentrate on your motor ------
------- good luck with that also!
BILL.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #215 on: February 05, 2012, 09:42:30 AM »

  Are all Norwegians so spoiled ?
I did not expect that reaction. Being spoiled is a relative term, but I see your point. We really do not need more space than we got. We rather need less stuff to fill that small space. Hopefully the better space for experimenting will provide good results.



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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #216 on: February 06, 2012, 03:36:23 PM »
I did not expect that reaction. Being spoiled is a relative term, but I see your point. We really do not need more space than we got. We rather need less stuff to fill that small space. Hopefully the better space for experimenting will provide good results.



Vidar

  It is nothing personal Vidar but I live in about 1/3 the space you have/had and not nearly as nice.
And yet, even if I offer to pay someone to build, no takers. It's where I live, I have to limit myself to a rotary tool.
 Hopefully you'll be able to enjoy working on your projects once you have the space to do so. I know it would make a big difference for myself.
 As for me, who knows ?

                                                                             Jim

edited to add. on on web site where wood workers are to be found, have  a couple of people interested Had to bring in my medical problems of the last few years and that respect is mutual. And this last part means they need to respect my understanding of what I am trying to do as they would wish for me to respect their skills.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2012, 06:06:36 PM by johnny874 »

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #217 on: February 06, 2012, 09:48:52 PM »
  It is nothing personal Vidar but I live in about 1/3 the space you have/had and not nearly as nice.
And yet, even if I offer to pay someone to build, no takers. It's where I live, I have to limit myself to a rotary tool.
 Hopefully you'll be able to enjoy working on your projects once you have the space to do so. I know it would make a big difference for myself.
 As for me, who knows ?

                                                                             Jim

edited to add. on on web site where wood workers are to be found, have  a couple of people interested Had to bring in my medical problems of the last few years and that respect is mutual. And this last part means they need to respect my understanding of what I am trying to do as they would wish for me to respect their skills.
No hard feelings :-) It is usually 1/3 space in my apartment too. With all the laundry, food all over the place after the kids, my wifes books, blankets, dishes, towels, flowers, tables, speakers, , medicines, dunes, closets, toys, diapers, kids, wife and me - all over the place. Well, we have filled the space well. It is so clean and empty now I can hear myself saying "Good bye" to my wife in the morning, still after I come back after work in the afternoon. The ecco in this space has increased considerably...the living space too. It's allmost a shame to move...


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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #218 on: February 08, 2012, 01:27:07 AM »
No hard feelings :-) It is usually 1/3 space in my apartment too. With all the laundry, food all over the place after the kids, my wifes books, blankets, dishes, towels, flowers, tables, speakers, , medicines, dunes, closets, toys, diapers, kids, wife and me - all over the place. Well, we have filled the space well. It is so clean and empty now I can hear myself saying "Good bye" to my wife in the morning, still after I come back after work in the afternoon. The ecco in this space has increased considerably...the living space too. It's allmost a shame to move...


Vidar

  Now you're just making me envious  :D
 That's one thing I hope to get out of Bessler's wheel (if it works) is a family.
I guess I'd be cramped to if I were in your situation. Will it be long until you can move into your new home ?
This link is to a different view of a puzzle my brother gave my father. I think the building where my grandfather's shop was is straight down from the brown building on the water way.
 It's not easy to see, maybe the roof. smp used to have better views of Alesund.
http://www.smp.no/vaeret/article423459.ece
 
Upset me and my brothers when we lived there as kids. The bus driver knew my sister and would let us ride into town and then back home. We only lived there a short while. All I can say now is je elske mot  :P
 
 

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #219 on: February 11, 2012, 10:28:49 AM »
Hi All
Just idea... This is a wheel with 8 bearings around, all of equal weight and dimensions. These bearings are also weights. On right side of wheel there are 2 quarter-circle shape supports/patchs the bearings move on. If we consider two pairs; 1-5 and 3-7 we can see that bearings 1 and 7 as supported by tracks do not affect the wheel by their mass as much as other bearings /5 and 3/. That means the right side of wheel is lighter than the left. The suspension of bearings allows them to play a little bit /say 0,5 - 1 mm/ along with radius of wheel just to free them of wheel a little.
What do you think, shall it work?
« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 12:52:15 PM by Rafael Ti »

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #220 on: February 11, 2012, 01:24:19 PM »
Dear Rafael,
                     I don't think it will work because, 'wheels' 3,4,&5, STILL have to lift' wheels'  7,8,&1.
Nice try though.
BILL.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #221 on: February 29, 2012, 12:07:42 PM »
Hi All... Bill... Vidar
This is quite old setup. I met it in the internet in many configurations, also with two wheels. But my question is; why it is so obvious it won't work? Imagine the low friction bearings holding strongly the perfectly shaped ring on both sides...

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #222 on: February 29, 2012, 01:51:36 PM »
Raphael,
             The 'ring' cannot rotate, it can only pivot, using the two 'rollers'  (3 O'clock ---- right-hand side) as pivot-points.
 
BILL.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #223 on: February 29, 2012, 10:43:34 PM »

  Now you're just making me envious  :D
 That's one thing I hope to get out of Bessler's wheel (if it works) is a family.
I guess I'd be cramped to if I were in your situation. Will it be long until you can move into your new home ?
This link is to a different view of a puzzle my brother gave my father. I think the building where my grandfather's shop was is straight down from the brown building on the water way.
 It's not easy to see, maybe the roof. smp used to have better views of Alesund.
http://www.smp.no/vaeret/article423459.ece
 
Upset me and my brothers when we lived there as kids. The bus driver knew my sister and would let us ride into town and then back home. We only lived there a short while. All I can say now is je elske mot  :P
The apartment is now sold. We are moving in to the new place april 13.th - it's on a friday and I hope all goes well...


I would strongly recommend you to get a family before that Bessler wheel works.... . Ã…lesund is a nice place, but your Norwegian needs some tuning :-))



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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #224 on: February 29, 2012, 10:53:25 PM »
Hi All... Bill... Vidar
This is quite old setup. I met it in the internet in many configurations, also with two wheels. But my question is; why it is so obvious it won't work? Imagine the low friction bearings holding strongly the perfectly shaped ring on both sides...
Bill has a good point.
If the wheel ran, the mass in it would be moving as much upwards at the right side as it moved down at the left side. Equal amout of mass moving the same distance in opposite directions cancel out, and no excess energy will be possible to get out. This simple example is applied to all so called gravity powered closed systems. They simply cannot work, because the designs prevents it to work. Gravity powered machines will only work if energy is supplied externally - like the sun, ocean, clouds, rain, lakes, dam, turbine river, ocean-cycle. This cycle is caused by the supply of energy from the sun. Otherwise hydro power plants would not work.


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