Hi All,
       I've just been reading through the 'posts' made by various people, and I came across this post by
Vidar! (Post # 171).  Without the need to quote him ---------- he says, ' the device WILL overbalance, but will
eventualy come to a standstill, because the section  on the right, "will run out of chain"!
My questions are; what happend to the slack section of chain that REPLACES the taut section of chain, as it is
used?   Where does the chain go?


BILL.

other options is that the wheels will not turn at all because it is locked in both directions by the taut chain applied to both sides of the center (?).

Vidar

Sorry for writing that reply. Maybe your drawings should contain more information. More drawings from several angles. So there in left no doubt what so ever how the machine is suppose to work. It will also provide yourself a better understanding of your own ideas. A good trick is to imagine how the machine can run in the opposite direction. If you can't, try harder.

This is enough Bill!!! I am tired of being assulted every time I try to both understand your drawings or try to explain. I really meant all about more drawings. Not meant to assult anyone. You are just a little touchy everg time some one are questioning your ideas. What is the point with sharing ideas if you are not open to others opinions or point of views?   

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If this is the design we are discussing, I can tell it wont work. The chain is taut on both sides of the wheel. A tension will force the upper wheel to rotate counter clockwise with the inner wheel, and clockwise with the outer wheel. The torque is greatest at the outer wheel so the sum is clockwise rotation*.

The very same tension must be applied to the bottom wheel, but the direction of tension points upwards, and force the bottom inner wheel to rotate clockwise, and the bottom outer wheel to rotate counter clockwise. The outer bottom wheel have greater torque, so the sum is a counter clockwise rotation**.

*, **: The sum of both wheels is clockwise + counter clockwise rotation, which means a stand still, LOCKED - no rotation at all.

What rig you got around the bottom wheel does not change anything, because you must use wheels on that one as well to allow any of the other wheels to rotate also.

The sum is no rotation, No free energy.

I am sorry I cannot help you out on this one.

Regarding our personal communication, it has NOTHING whatsoever to what I explain, misunderstand, requirements of more pictures, descriptions etc. I am not avoiding your questions - maybe taking some short turns, not completely avoiding. I do this sometime becaus it is so damn obvious that the design cannot work. What is it to explain anyways?
I try as hard as I can to understand. If you aren't satisfied with the sum of my attempts to explain, not agreed to your point of view of your designs, so be it. That is your problem, and not a problem you can just hand over to me.

The complexity of some of your designs might give me a headache some times, and pictures which is not always easy to "read". But I try as hard as possible.

Btw, you're always welcome to send me pictures for resizeing. No problem at all. Let's kick the ball, and not eachother. OK?

Vidar

Hi Spang.

you are wasting your time in this field. use your time else where. I don't want you to waste your time period.

keep up the good work.
jerry

Vidar,
         Despite our ongoing arguement about THIS design, I don't mean to upset you at all, but do you know
it's about three (3) different reasons you've given for this design NOT to work?   Be fair now, which one is it?
That was a lovely long 'post' you put together for your last reply, and STILL avoided answering my questions!
How on Earth do you expect anyone to take what you say seriously? How are they, (or anyone) to know what you realy mean?
In another 'post', you praised me for my ability to draw, and make myself perfectly understood ----------------
you've now gone against it --------- WHY?
You've even praised me for my ability to think 'outside the box'---------- have you changed your mind on that
also?
I agree with your last sentence ----------------- 'let's kick a ball about, not each other'!!
I don't mind being wrong -------- but I'd like to know why!

I hope I'm not avoiding your question this time, but the answer to your question about which reason, is written in my previous post. There is in SUM only one factor that will prevent the design to work. The lock up (Because of the three (more or less three - please dont arrest mi in saying the wrong number of reasons) reasons described in that post).

If the chains did NOT lock up, the design would not look like that. And I have no idea how to make a design that works that way without not facing another problem. You could always remove the inner wheel and its chain, but that will cause the bottom wheel to fall down until the left hand slack of the outer wheel is eventually taut up.

Such designs, and similar, is a dead end road. By that saying it will always be a reason why the designs doesn't work - in one way or another it will stop at equilibrium.

I see you got several questions, but I rather covering the answers in one general answer. Not because I want to avoid your spesific questions.

The ONLY way for you to get decent answers to your questions is to build. But I have understood you can't - for many good reasons. And I can't find any good reason to build them, nor any good and well understandable answers you'll accept. I am litterally short of answers.

If I avoided your questions again, I'm sorry.

br.

Vidar

Agreed edge2005. That will also apply to any given force within a closed loop. Bill is talking about tension, not gravity, but that will not make any difference.

A machine can't just start working because some people don't understand what is stopping it from running. There is plenty of free energy to harvest from else where. I can't see the point in searching for the total independent machine, because when the already existing energy disappears, humans also will disappear, and no need for an independent machine which run by itself.

What change we CAN do is to let more people realize there is alternatives to the power companies, and that actually no one is (technically speaking) depended of the power companies to get energy.

Vidar