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SPANG

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2011, 03:18:04 AM »
Yu've come to the wrong conclusion as well.
I think you should read my last 'post' again. It is ALREADY overbalancing --------- I'm NOT causing it to overbalance. Do yourself a favour ------------ look at the drawing FIRST, THEN come to a conclusion!
Do NOT come to a conclusion, before you've seen the 'evidence'.

SPANG.         (BILL.)

onthecuttingedge2010

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2011, 03:48:32 AM »
Yu've come to the wrong conclusion as well.
I think you should read my last 'post' again. It is ALREADY overbalancing --------- I'm NOT causing it to overbalance. Do yourself a favour ------------ look at the drawing FIRST, THEN come to a conclusion!
Do NOT come to a conclusion, before you've seen the 'evidence'.

SPANG.         (BILL.)

in 'history', you would be responsible for giving the force energy. all forces contain energy applied from history alone. nothing more. stored energy. a sort of memory of energy itself. unless you put more input than what is used you will be left with a system with no usable information after it is used.

It is all about 'usable' information period. it is 'all' and everything is information, it just depends on your filter of that information.

how does it feel to be no more than a sophisticated algorithm.

jerry 8)
« Last Edit: May 19, 2011, 04:40:17 AM by onthecuttingedge2010 »

SPANG

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2011, 06:28:23 AM »
I won't like YOU on the jury of a case I was involved in ------------- I'd be found guilty, before the
evidence was shown TO the jury!

SPANG.     (BILL.)

Low-Q

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2011, 05:25:12 PM »
I'm affraid you have misunderstood my design completely, Vidar!
My design does NOT work on the principle that an extra weight causes the overbalancing in the first place.
The device ALREADY overbalances ------------------- I use the'movement' of the weights ------------ TO KEEP IT OVERBALANCED.  Also note please, that TWO weights are moved at the same time ----------- one
at the top, and one at the bottom! Perhaps you think the weight at the top is heavier than the weight at
the bottom ---------------- WRONG ------------- they both weigh the same!  In fact, ALL the weights,
'weigh' the same!  Sorry!

SPANG.       (BILL.)
There is more to such a desigh than just the overbalance. There is time and torque also - the very essential factors which determine over unity or not.
I've seen your drawings. As a static device - as one solid unit -, it overbalance.

To easier understand the principle, take away ALL weights except for one. Let it drop on the supposed overbalanced side, and try to gain enough kinetic energy at the bottom to lift it all the way up via the other side plus extra energy to accelerate (Let's assume there is no friction whatsoever). Now it suddenly is quite clear that your design will not work.

Each weight represent a single independent element. If one weight cannot do the work, neither the rest of the weights can. All that matters in the field of gravity is the vertical movement of each weight. If it is limited to travel 1m up and down all the time, the outcome would be quite easy to predict.

What you, and other designers tries, is to let the weights fall 1m, and rise less than one meter, then fall 1m, and again rise less than 1m. This can easily be done by rolling a wheel down a hill. But eventually, the hill will flatten out to horizontal, and the wheel will eventually stop. The last part is the truth about any gravity wheels - it does not change potential energy as it spins, and therfor it will not work.

Vidar

SPANG

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2011, 06:57:12 PM »
Unfortunately Vidar,
                           You have again missed out the fact, that TWO weights are moved AT THE SAME TIME,
one from the top, and one from the bottom --------- how is that moving one weight 1m, over and over
again, in order to gain an overbalancing force (?)  --------- of a device THAT ALREADY OVERBALANCES?
You yourself, have admitted, that my device already overbalances!
You need to seriously re-evaluate your reasoning.
Sorry Pal!

SPANG.         (BILL.)

Low-Q

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2011, 11:05:56 PM »
Unfortunately Vidar,
                           You have again missed out the fact, that TWO weights are moved AT THE SAME TIME,
one from the top, and one from the bottom --------- how is that moving one weight 1m, over and over
again, in order to gain an overbalancing force (?)  --------- of a device THAT ALREADY OVERBALANCES?
You yourself, have admitted, that my device already overbalances!
You need to seriously re-evaluate your reasoning.
Sorry Pal!

SPANG.         (BILL.)
No matter how I tried to explain my point, and no matter how you try to configure the weights, it be 1m, 52cm, two weights at the same time on top and the bottom - it does not matter. You try to achieve greater potential energy than what is limited by the span of the "wheel" and the given measurements of the weights. That is not possible. The span is fixed. Gravity is fixed. Weight of all the weights is fixed - fixed, locked, not changing. There is no way you can get more potential energy out of a system like that. I do not even have to understand your idea to say that IT JUST WONT WORK.

Anyways, I suggest you should build the machine and see for yourself. Then you'll probably get it ;)

PS! No arguing, just very eager to make my point. Almost stubborn ;D

Vidar

SPANG

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2011, 01:51:05 AM »
Vidar,
       The long-standing argument I have with you, is simple; you say, that ANY overbalancing device,
cannot work if it does not contain POTENTIAL ENERGY.  As you know, I beg to differ!
If anyone else is of that thinking, then I feel sorry for you ,as you are limiting yourselves to other ways of
doing things ----- they may be unconventional ----- but so is perpetual motion!
From now on, maybe you Vidar, should be known as CAPTAIN POTENTIAL (?)
'Tis a shame, Vidar, to see a man of your obvious ability, to waste your time on obviously stupid ideas,
that end up with you 'going down the tubes'.

SPANG.         (BILL.)

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2011, 05:03:01 AM »
So still no video or graphics of it posted ?
How about posting at least a picture of the design ?

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2011, 05:40:23 AM »
Stephan,
            If you know of a way for me to 'post' my design, PLEASE let me know.  I have been told by your
forum, that my files are too big, and am therefor disallowed!
I could, I suppose, send the 'text' of my design, as a 'post', but I need a way to get my DRAWING on display.
The drawing itself, is on an A4 sized sheet of paper --------- this is the one the forum won't let me send.
I realy DO apreciate your 'showing an interest'.

THANKS,   SPANG.  (BILL.)       

Low-Q

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2011, 11:48:38 AM »
Stephan,
            If you know of a way for me to 'post' my design, PLEASE let me know.  I have been told by your
forum, that my files are too big, and am therefor disallowed!
I could, I suppose, send the 'text' of my design, as a 'post', but I need a way to get my DRAWING on display.
The drawing itself, is on an A4 sized sheet of paper --------- this is the one the forum won't let me send.
I realy DO apreciate your 'showing an interest'.

THANKS,   SPANG.  (BILL.)       
You choose a lower resolution in your scanner software. Also, you can scan in greyscale. Reducing resolution from 300dpi to 72dpi will alone reduce the filesize to 1/18.

Or send the drawing to my e-mail, and I will be happy to resize the image for you, and post it in this thread.

Vidar

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2011, 11:57:56 AM »
Vidar,
       The long-standing argument I have with you, is simple; you say, that ANY overbalancing device,
cannot work if it does not contain POTENTIAL ENERGY.  As you know, I beg to differ!
If anyone else is of that thinking, then I feel sorry for you ,as you are limiting yourselves to other ways of
doing things ----- they may be unconventional ----- but so is perpetual motion!
From now on, maybe you Vidar, should be known as CAPTAIN POTENTIAL (?)
'Tis a shame, Vidar, to see a man of your obvious ability, to waste your time on obviously stupid ideas,
that end up with you 'going down the tubes'.

SPANG.         (BILL.)
The problem is this: What APPEARS to overbalance, does in reality not overbalance. It just looks like it. You have torque and time factors which will counterbalance the whole system. One cannot "see" time and torque in a drawing, but you can only see what appears to be overbalance - and by that conclude that the design will work. One must base the truth on all the facts, not just parst of it.

But, we will never agreed in this anyways. I suggest you start building this machine. I would be the happiest man in the world if I'm wrong :)

Vidar

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2011, 01:49:36 AM »
Vidar: you should open up your mind, as they say there is none so blind as he who will not see!!! FACT there is no math formula that states that a gravity only wheel is impossible. If you took all the experiments that have been done to date, we would have barely scratched the surface , of how to get a gravity wheel to work!! Have you read about Bessler? I have , and its what changed my mind about gravity only wheels, before I was a BIG sceptic like you! Go Bill!!!

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2011, 02:10:35 AM »
Thanks  'Doc'.
I needed that.

SPANG.         (BILL.)

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2011, 06:58:05 AM »
there has never been a working system that works on one energy source alone, it requires multiple energy sources to get it to work, even an electric motor requires multiple types of energy formula in conjunction to function correctly.

using gravity alone is not going to happen. you need a circle of energy sources that relate to each other to make the other do work.

this is what I call the slave driver philosophy, if there is no one to make the slave do work then the slave will do no work!

same as gravity.

Jerry 8)

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2011, 07:44:14 AM »


Jerry,
       I suggest you join a knitting club --------- knit one, pearl two, drop three, pick up four!