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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2011, 11:45:32 PM »
The sun and the moon are so far away that their gravity is as weak as a sheet of paper on us humans.
first you say the gravity of the sun and moon are as "weak as a sheet of paper on us"... and then you say:
On a bigger scale the tidal forces in the sea is the only useable gravity powered machine we know of.
so which is it? is the gravity of the sun and moon as weak as a sheet of paper? or is it strong enough to influence billions of tons of water and create tides?... ::) i also find it strange that this "WEAK AS A SHEET OF PAPER" force of gravity that the moon places on us also distorts the earth's crust by centimeters to meters.

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« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2011, 12:04:23 AM »
g = 9.81 m/s2 = 32.2 ft/s2

the earth's gravity is pulling us toward the center of the earth at 32.2 ft/s2 even if we are standing still on a surface. those this figure is not a true constant because the gravitational pull is different all around the world, but it is a given figure for doing formulas.

angular gravitational off balancing would be far far slower than a body falling straight down.

Jerry 8)

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2011, 10:46:30 AM »
first you say the gravity of the sun and moon are as "weak as a sheet of paper on us"... and then you say:so which is it? is the gravity of the sun and moon as weak as a sheet of paper? or is it strong enough to influence billions of tons of water and create tides?... ::) i also find it strange that this "WEAK AS A SHEET OF PAPER" force of gravity that the moon places on us also distorts the earth's crust by centimeters to meters.
To the human body, the pull is similar to a sheet of paper. The sea have a much greater pull because of its relatively MUCH greater mass than the human body. Another thing is that the sea covers most of the earth, and therfor it is able to start oscillating with a tidal wave that travels at approx 1000mph at equator. The tidal wave is greatest towards the moon and 180 degrees behind.

A gravity powered device that weights a few hundred pounds, will therefor not be affected by the moon or the sun in any useable way. Even though the gravity isn't equal on all places on earth, the gravity is pretty much constant, and can therfor not be able to provide energy.

The same applies to magnetism. An AC transformer, need an AC current in order to transfer energy into the secondary coil. Feed the transformer with pure DC current, and nothing happens except when it's connected and disconnected (AC). Alternating forces can do work. A conservative force can't.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2011, 10:53:22 AM »
To the human body, the pull is similar to a sheet of paper. The sea have a much greater pull because of its relatively MUCH greater mass than the human body. Another thing is that the sea covers most of the earth, and therfor it is able to start oscillating with a tidal wave that travels at approx 1000mph at equator. The tidal wave is greatest towards the moon and 180 degrees behind.
so what are you saying now? that the ocean's mass and by proxy its gravity are the cause of tidal surges?? i think you have it backwards now... ::) look lowq, i know how the tides work, hell, i even include the sun's gravitational effect on the tides, but you didn't answer my direct question at all. i'll repeat it. "which is it?"

A gravity powered device that weights a few hundred pounds, will therefor not be affected by the moon or the sun in any useable way. Even though the gravity isn't equal on all placed on earth, the gravity is pretty much constant, and can therfor not be able to provide energy.
::) tides... hello?  anybody home?

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« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2011, 11:04:05 AM »
so what are you saying now? that the ocean's mass and by proxy its gravity are the cause of tidal surges?? i think you have it backwards now... ::) look lowq, i know how the tides work, hell, i even include the sun's gravitational effect on the tides, but you didn't answer my direct question at all. i'll repeat it. "which is it?"
 ::) tides... hello?  anybody home?
No, I'm not home. I'm at work ;)

Ofcourse the sun also provide tidal forces. When the tides are highest is when the moon and the sun "cooperates" most efficiently. We call in "springflo" in Norwegian, but google translate couldn't find good translations other than "tides" for this phenomenon.

I apologize for any bad english. What I think in my head, do not always come out properly in english... I'm an engineer, not an English teacher ;D

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #65 on: May 25, 2011, 07:02:02 PM »
Did this thread suddenly went dead?

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2011, 06:39:23 AM »
  Vidar,
 Yep. Did have one idea for a wave generator. Posted it. But it didn't generat much interest.
 Myself, have about lost my interest in Bessler. It is a lot of work and nothing really in it. If it works, Yeah ! Germany.
 Other than that, it probably won't go over like most people will believe it will.
It would make the news, doubt much more than that.
 Could be why Bessler was unhappy. It didn't have anything to do with money.
Lack of appreciation for his accomplishment was most likely it.
 After all, what I posted has drawn little attention. Yet it would allow for
2.2 lbs./ 1 kg to lift 4.4 lbs./2kg the same height as the drop.
 And once the engineering is demonstrated, boring. That's reality.

                                                                  Jim

Bessler invented a clock mechanism that worked from weights, nothing more, go see a grand father clock mechanism, it should interest you more.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2011, 02:51:51 AM »
I am sorry, Bessler used the big wheel which I call a gyro as a means to slow the unreeling of the mechanism as the weight dropped.

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« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2011, 03:40:22 AM »
  That's oky. What is missed sometimes is that some of Bessler's drawings are like blue prints. They'll show the same object from different angles.
 Mt 138 is one example of him doing this.

not different angles. just different times. you will still come to the ultimate conclusion that 'time' isn't the issue here. if you think other wise then you shouldn't be solving this equation. it is time not angle of approach.

take those pictures in a stack and play them like a video by flipping through them real fast.
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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2011, 09:28:11 PM »
Here is the newest design from User SPANG.

I resized the picture for him.

Here is what he writes as the description:


AN OVERBALANCING WHEEL
                                 ______________________

This device, is a very simple overbancing device. There's nothing complicated about it, and
it should be very simple to build.
The 'top-wheel' is simply two 'chaincogs' _________________ one, twice the size of the other.
Also shown in this drawing, are the two return sides of the chains, which return 'slack'.
These two return chains, are shown as dotted lines --------- .  The two taut chains, as solid
lines. The ratio between the two chaincogs, is 2:1


The 'bottom wheel(s)' are slightly more complicated, as this set-up uses 4 chaincogs!  The
ratio is still the same though ______________ 2:1 (not counting the two very small wheels,
in the 6 O'clock position).  More on these wheels  __ in a moment.  The largest of these two
main bottom-wheels, is also of the 2:1 ratio, with the smaller wheel.  The smaller of the two
main bottom-wheels, is used  in conjunction with one of the very small wheels (6 O'clock),
which connects with the other very small wheel (also 6 O'clock), which, in turn, connects with
ANOTHER  larger wheel, same size as the larger bottom-wheel, but now travels at HALF the speed
as the other large bottom-wheel.    Although I said, 4 chaincogs, there are, in fact, 5!
2 large, 1'medium', and 2 very small wheels.
Fixed to the middle of the two main cogs, is a device I've simply called 'the tension-rod'.
This rod is 'pulled' down, (no need for gravity), untill the desired force is obtained.  This
gives two seperate forces of 10kgs, at the speeds required.  (TENSION).
I think you'll find it overbalances!

By the way, NO machine, can tell if 'real' weights are used, they only 'feel' A FORCE!  Watching
'real' weights falling, is the SAME as watching two chains moving ------- exept, these chains
replace themselves.

Neither taut, or slack chains alter their length!

Refer to drawing, at ALL times.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #71 on: June 02, 2011, 12:27:57 AM »
Here is the newest design from User SPANG.

I resized the picture for him.

Here is what he writes as the description:


AN OVERBALANCING WHEEL
                                 ______________________

This device, is a very simple overbancing device. There's nothing complicated about it, and
it should be very simple to build.
The 'top-wheel' is simply two 'chaincogs' _________________ one, twice the size of the other.
Also shown in this drawing, are the two return sides of the chains, which return 'slack'.
These two return chains, are shown as dotted lines --------- .  The two taut chains, as solid
lines. The ratio between the two chaincogs, is 2:1


The 'bottom wheel(s)' are slightly more complicated, as this set-up uses 4 chaincogs!  The
ratio is still the same though ______________ 2:1 (not counting the two very small wheels,
in the 6 O'clock position).  More on these wheels  __ in a moment.  The largest of these two
main bottom-wheels, is also of the 2:1 ratio, with the smaller wheel.  The smaller of the two
main bottom-wheels, is used  in conjunction with one of the very small wheels (6 O'clock),
which connects with the other very small wheel (also 6 O'clock), which, in turn, connects with
ANOTHER  larger wheel, same size as the larger bottom-wheel, but now travels at HALF the speed
as the other large bottom-wheel.    Although I said, 4 chaincogs, there are, in fact, 5!
2 large, 1'medium', and 2 very small wheels.
Fixed to the middle of the two main cogs, is a device I've simply called 'the tension-rod'.
This rod is 'pulled' down, (no need for gravity), untill the desired force is obtained.  This
gives two seperate forces of 10kgs, at the speeds required.  (TENSION).
I think you'll find it overbalances!

By the way, NO machine, can tell if 'real' weights are used, they only 'feel' A FORCE!  Watching
'real' weights falling, is the SAME as watching two chains moving ------- exept, these chains
replace themselves.

Neither taut, or slack chains alter their length!

Refer to drawing, at ALL times.
The wheels will start to rotate, but the smaller wheel in the bottom will also move downwards. This will happen because the solid chain to the very right will travel longer per revolution than the other solid chain. The dashed chain (the part with slack) will finally tighten up.

Imagine you have only the solid chains, fixed on the top on each wheel so the wheels are not allowed to rotate more that 1/4 round. What will happen to the bottom wheel? It will go downwards, right?

You can always apply a gear ratio between the outer and inner wheel on the top, but that will also change the torque. There is no way to go with this, I'm afraid.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #72 on: June 02, 2011, 03:35:44 AM »
Vidar,
        Re; reply#82.
How on Earth can ANY part of the bottom-wheels' mechanism drop?  If one part 'falls', it ALL falls.
For any part of the bottom-wheels' mechanism to 'fall', it must disengage itself from the rest of the
bottom-wheel,  and fall independantly.  Also, the  bit about the chains eventualy 'tightening up', is
an IMPOSIBILITY!     You must try again, if you want to maintain any kind of credibility!

SPANG.                (BILL.)

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #73 on: June 02, 2011, 04:38:34 AM »
Vidar

Bill is correct, You are missing the point of his design. It is an attempt at over driving the wheels by different size wheels. The biggest danger is stress lock up. Several designs that have been done in the past, were killed by stress lock up. I had a V wheel that showed overbalance but the stress lock up killed it as well. Solving this problem is the part I am working on. Bills design gives room to work with, but like my V wheel didn't.

Alan

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2011, 05:24:23 AM »
>>  It's a clock mechanism with pendulum and weight and pulley and a gyro.  <<

 It would be a lever instead of a gyro. Gyros are used for different things. Such as maintaing a level position to calculate the trajectory of rounds fired from Naval ships.
 I do believe you are refering to a slightly imbalanced wheel that once started, requires little energy to maintain spin. I doubt this because of the mechanics involved. The inertia acting on moving parts would most likely rob the system of needed energy. But if you replace gyro with levers, then it would be an accurate description.

>>what is this something in nature?  <<

 It would be a mill. Or more precisely, the water wheel that was the motive force. A different priciple. They served the same purpose as wind mills, to mill wheat and other crops.
 And best of all, the water remains one one side.

 I don't think it would be much of a stretch to consider Bessler close to being a genius. For what he did and when he did it, he showed remarkable ingenuity.

A wheel in motion is a gyro, period. no matter how fast its R.P.M's are.

 

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