spang:

Have you built a working model or prototype of this design yet?  If not, why not?  Designs and theories are cheap, working devices are not.  If you don't have access to the manufacturing means to do so I understand...but this design looks so simple it seems it would be very easy to try out.

Have you done so yet?

Bill

Pirate,
        It's good to see that your attitude has changed ---------- GOOD!
No, I haven't built a model of this design yet ------------------- and I doubt if I ever will.   You see Pirate,
I'm 68 years old, had 2 strokes, and a multitude (14?) of T.I.A's,   ( mini-strokes ), I've also had several
major surgery operations on my stomach!
All this has left me disabled ----- I lose my balance easily ----- can't see properly, I now use very thick
'pebble' type glasses, etc..  I could go on, but there is no point is there?
All this happend, many years ago, (12?).  Since then, I've legaly retired ,and don't have any money left
to do anything with!
I'm NOT looking for a 'handout' of any kind, but it would be nice, if one or two of you 'took up the challenge',
and did it for me!

Sorry about all this!


SPANG.                                  (BILL.)

No need to be sorry.  I am not that far behind you, and I understand 100%.  I am 53 going on 100, if you know what I mean.  I can't see like I used to, or just about anything else.

There are many on here that have the motivation and wherewithal to follow up on promising ideas.  I was just curious why you have not done so and now I know.  I am sorry.

Bill

I wrote this next bit on another thread;
         
                      You can get it wrong countless times -------- but you only need to get it right once!




SPANG.                                      (BILL.)

Just remember that there is the final ENERGY that must be overbalanced. Not weights/torque alone.

The different distance to the common hub will differ the speed of the chains when they move. The kinetic energy in each of them will differ also - as long BOTH move. That means that the chain far away from the hub WILL force the wheel to turn, but that chain will also go "emtpy" sooner than the other chain. So the total energy when we consider TIME and VELOCITY into the equation, the energy that is expressed in the two chains will finally equalize, and the wheel will stop. How are you suppose to supply more chain to the outer part, and still keep track with the inner part, without adding more and more chain to maintain the overbalance? In this simple design, you must supply more chain constantly to keep it overbalanced forever. If you're not, the chains will go "emty" sooner or later. The outer chain will empty first. When that one is emty, what will happen to the wheel when only the inner chain is left? The wheel will reverse, because now the inner chain will overbalance because there is not chain left on the outer part. After that inner chain is empty, you're back on square one. No energy output. No over unity. Discussions, and theories are worthless.

As I have said a thousand times before: Build it, and see for yourself.

Vidar

LOW-Q,
         I don't know where you've got the idea from, that the chain will 'run out', I realy don't!
The chain is 'continuous', --------------------- it CAN'T 'run out'.  What chain IS 'used' ----------
is instantly replaced ------------ NOT 'lost'!
Build it for YOURself, and find out!
Why you continuously, get it wrong ------- beats me!
It's no use telling me, that I'VE got it wrong ------------- YOU'VE got it wrong!

It's your idea. I do not need to build it to prove anything. I know the outcome already. This is kindergarden physics. You must in some way or another replace the chain. In a closed loop, it will not work because you must lift up the same abount of chain that goes down. In a non-closed loop you must apply chains to make it work. I understand the physics very well in this case. You don't. Sorry. Arguing about who is wrong, will not make your idea work.

Nature "hates" differences. It will not be able to convert from equilibrium to difference. Nature is "by nature" approaching equilibrium - not leaving it. In this process you can harvest useful energy. Your device will work as long the mechanisms approaches equilibrium. When equilibrium is met, no energy can longer be harvested. In the case of your design, it will take just a few seconds. Then you have to "wind" it up again with the same energy you got out of it.

Look closer at your design, no matter how much I misunderstand them, and see for yourself how obvious the outcome will be. Honestly, I am quite convinced that you already know it will not work.

All the best,

Your friend

LOW-Q,
          Stop now, before you make a complete fool of yourself!      Your diagnosis of my design, goes from
one extreme to another.
I could pull apart your opinions, as easy as a-b-c ---------------- and you know it.   STOP!
I will NOT be answering any more of your 'diatribe'!

As I said, arguing will not make your design working.
We all make fools of ourselves some times, but learns from it and moves on. You think outside the box, and that is great, but sometimes you must move on when a design has no potential whatsoever to generate more energy than it consumes. I have provided the math many times, you decide if the math is wrong, but not by arguing, but by building that damn thing and prove it wrong.

I'll bet my balls that you havent build anything yet. If you've built it, and it works, I'll send you my balls pr. Fedex Economic or UPS.

Vidar

The Escimos have a saying: "If you walk as far as you can untill you cant walk anymore, you have walked just half the distance you REALLY can".

You are able to make fine drawings. Operate your scanner. Type on your PC keyboard. No spelling errors as far  I can tell. So why not use that great ability to build something also? A stroke or two does not stop anyone from doing their hobbies, or achieve goals - it just takes longer time. Heavy glasses, and ten thumbs, havent disabled anyone to do what they really want to do - if they really go for it.

In spite of medichal history your disableness is most of all between your ears, your mind - not in the mechanism that your mind/brain controlls; arms, legs, hands, eyes etc. Illness is not going to stop you from doing what you want. You are stronger and more able than you think.

Even if I dont feel sorry for you, the readings in post 166 makes me sad. Bitterness, anger, loss of hope, wrong attitude, is everyones worst enemy. Anyone can change that. You can too. If you can think positively on your worst day, there is hope.

I whish I could help you out more, and I hope you understand that I whish you well.

Vidar

Hi All,
       I've just been reading through the 'posts' made by various people, and I came across this post by
Vidar! (Post # 171).  Without the need to quote him ---------- he says, ' the device WILL overbalance, but will
eventualy come to a standstill, because the section  on the right, "will run out of chain"!
My questions are; what happend to the slack section of chain that REPLACES the taut section of chain, as it is
used?   Where does the chain go?


BILL.