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Offline onthecuttingedge2005

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #150 on: August 12, 2011, 05:34:55 AM »
you are wasting our time unless you use heat and or electricity to fulfill the model.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #151 on: August 12, 2011, 05:45:45 AM »
Knit one, Pearl two.

The above answer is because you took far too long to answer.
Anyway, because of that, I see you as a 'troublemaker'.
How's your 'flying saucer' going?

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #152 on: August 12, 2011, 05:54:14 AM »
Knit one, Pearl two.

The above answer is because you took far too long to answer.
Anyway, because of that, I see you as a 'troublemaker'.
How's your 'flying saucer' going?

the funny thing is, a flying saucer is not perfect. how long will it take you to be on the same page.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #152 on: August 12, 2011, 05:54:14 AM »
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Offline SPANG

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #153 on: August 12, 2011, 06:12:04 AM »
To the 'flying saucer' man,

Knit One, Pearl Two,

 


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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #154 on: August 13, 2011, 05:21:12 AM »
Hi All,
       I was thinking, if the device is set up properly, and it doesn't rotate, what would happen if the 'top-wheel'
was given a manual clockwise 'turn' ----------------- would it help?
Thinking along these lines, I wrote to a certain 'someone' ----------- whose name I won't mention right now,
who assured me, that if the device didn't 'lock up' in the first place, it WOULD help, and would carry on
rotating, regardless of the fact, the device never had any 'real' weights to begin with.
I'd like to know YOUR thoughts on this!

SPANG.                              (BILL.)

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #154 on: August 13, 2011, 05:21:12 AM »
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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #155 on: August 13, 2011, 10:26:44 AM »
Hi All,
       I was thinking, if the device is set up properly, and it doesn't rotate, what would happen if the 'top-wheel'
was given a manual clockwise 'turn' ----------------- would it help?
Thinking along these lines, I wrote to a certain 'someone' ----------- whose name I won't mention right now,
who assured me, that if the device didn't 'lock up' in the first place, it WOULD help, and would carry on
rotating, regardless of the fact, the device never had any 'real' weights to begin with.
I'd like to know YOUR thoughts on this!

SPANG.                              (BILL.)
How can I find your drawing? I tried your link (in another thread), but cannot find anything. Could you email it to me so I can resize it and post it here?

Vidar

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #156 on: August 13, 2011, 10:32:51 AM »
Vidar,
      I've allready emailed them to you.  You should ALLREADY have them ------------- if not, I'll resend them
to you, on your private address.

BILL.

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #156 on: August 13, 2011, 10:32:51 AM »
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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #157 on: August 13, 2011, 11:52:13 AM »
Vidar,
      I've allready emailed them to you.  You should ALLREADY have them ------------- if not, I'll resend them
to you, on your private address.

BILL.
Thanks. The picture attached here.

EDIT. ADDED TEXT FROM BILL:

           UPDATE ON 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT' SET-UP
                         ________________________________________

THE TOP-WHEEL MUST BE' LOCKED' FOR THE FOLLOWING TO TAKE PLACE!

ALL CHAINS ARE 'TAUT' TO START WITH.

THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT', MUST BE IN POSITION TO START WITH.
                          ________________________________________

'Lock' top-wheel.


'JACK'-UP, THE LARGER OF THE BOTTOM-WHEELS', ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, THIS WILL LEAVE
THE OUTER-CHAIN
ON THIS SIDE, SLACK.
 
BY 'JACKING'-UP THIS WHEEL, IT WILL NOT EFFECT THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT'
---------WHICH IS
ONLY PARTIALY CONNECTED TO THIS BOTTOM-WHEEL ---------- ON ITS RIGHT-HAND SIDE ONLY,
(SEE DRAWING),
'CONNECTED TO THE BRIDGING-COG(S)'.

IT WILL THOUGH, LEAVE THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT', 'APPEAR' TO BE HANGING LOWER THAN
IT SHOULD BE.

THIS IS EASILY CORRECTED; BY LOOSENING OFF THE RETAINING NUT, AND TURNING THIS SMALL
TOP-WHEEL
CLOCKWISE, UNTIL 'IT', (THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT'), LINES-UP ITS 'BOTTOM', TO THE
CORRECT
ALLIGNMENT OF THE 'FIXED' SMALL CENTRAL WHEEL OF THE BOTTOM-WHEEL. THE LARGE
TOP-WHEEL, MUST BE
'LOCKED ' DURING THIS PROCEEDURE.

BY TURNING THE SMALL TOP-WHEEL CLOCKWISE, IT WILL LEAVE THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE
CHAIN HOLDING
THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT', SLACK, AND ITS LEFT-HAND SIDE TAUT.

THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT', IS FIXED TO A 'BRIDGING-COG',
REGARLESS OF THE
FACT THAT IT STILL HAS A SLACK CHAIN ATTACHED TO IT. THIS IS BY COURTESY OF A
'DUPLEX' CHAIN.

TO KEEP THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE LARGE WHEELS' CHAIN SLACK, A 'CRADLE' THAT LIFTS
THE LEFT-HAND
SIDE, IS PLACED IN POSITION AS SHOWN IN THE DRAWING.

THE 'CRADLE' ITSELF, HAS A SERIES OF TOOTHED  SPROCKETS, SMALL, ABOUT 8 'T'
('T'=TEETH) ON EACH
ONE. THE TEETH OF EACH SPROCKET, FIT INTO A 'DUPLEX' CHAIN, THAT GOES COMPLETELY
AROUND BOTH LARGE
WHEELS.

THE 'PIVOT-ROD' DOES NOT MOVE ------- IT SIMPLY ENGAGES THE TEETH OF THE SPROCKET(S)
AND REMAINS
MOTIONLESS.

ONLY THE 'JACK' MOVES ----- AND THAT'S ONLY TO LIFT THE 'CRADLE' ------ ONCE THE
'CRADLE' REACHES
THE REQUIRED HIGHT, IT STAYS STILL.

THE 'JACK' ITSELF, WILL ABSORB 12.5% OF THE TOTAL WEIGHT (DURING, AND
AFTER,'JACKING',) OF THE
'FLOATING' WHEEL/WEIGHT.

THERFORE, IF THE WEIGHT OF THE 'FLOATING' WHEEL IS 20kgs, 10kgs WILL GO TO THE 9
O'CLOCK POSITION
OF THE SMALL-TOP-WHEEL, 7.5kgs GOES TO THE 3 O'CLOCK POSITION OF THE LARGE
TOP-WHEEL, AND 2.5kg
TO THE 'JACK'(THAT SUPPORTS THE CRADLE, THAT SUPPORTS THE LARGE BOTTOM-WHEEL!).

I HOPE I'M RIGHT ABOUT ALL THIS!

THE BOTTOM-WHEEL, IS 'HELPED' TO ROTATE, BY THE POSITION OF THE 'FLOATING-WHEEL'
ITSELF!

REFER TO THE DRAWING -------- AT ALL TIMES!

UNLOCK THE TOP-WHEEL ------------------ IT SHOULD NOW ROTATE!

ANY FORCE THAT WOULD HAVE 'NORMALY' MANIFESTED ITSELF IN THE SLACK PART OF THE
LEFT-HAND CHAIN,
NOW MANIFESTS ITSELF IN THE 'JACK'! THEREFORE, IT PLAYS NO PART IN ADDING TO THE
FORCE ALREADY
MANIFESTING ITSELF, IN THE TOP-WHEEL.


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« Last Edit: August 13, 2011, 11:10:38 PM by Low-Q »

Offline ramset

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #158 on: August 13, 2011, 12:07:30 PM »
Vidar
Thanks for posting "Spangs" work!

@Spang
Very cool concept  ,so simple in design but very deep in thought .......very interesting !
Can you offer a brief "How it works"??

Thank You
Chet

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #159 on: August 13, 2011, 01:37:18 PM »
Hi Chet,
          My thanks to Vidar also!  I did 'post' the text to this design, but it is not here.  I'll try, anyway;
Briefly then, the reason the design is the way it is, is to allow each chain to have forces that DON'T BALANCE,
when they reach the top-wheel,
so that when these forces DO reach the top-wheel, they' OVERbalance'.  Quite unintentionately, but VERY appropriately, I wrote a 'post' (#154), that applies to this type of design, and SHOULD be taken into
concideration, even though the 'post' itself, was not meant for THIS design. By-the-way, this design is one of
many I have, relating to this kind of thing!
Perhaps Vidar will also 'post' the text to this design ---------------- soon!
Hope this helps you ALL!
There is more to be said about this design, but I've tried to be as brief as I could.


SPANG.                               (BILL.)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #160 on: August 13, 2011, 06:40:09 PM »
I am puzzled as to why you are having so much trouble getting your image and your description posted in the same post/thread. Why didn't you simply include your drawing as an attachment to a post, or upload it to this forum's "downloads" section?

Why don't you try modelling your wheel in Phun, to see if you can get it working in a simple simulator?

A drawing, that looks a lot like a lot of other drawings of overbalanced wheels, is just that: a drawing that looks a lot like a lot of other drawings of NON WORKING overbalanced wheels. Even if you can't figure out how to include your drawing in a post, perhaps you could go the "extra mile" and try to simulate its operation in any number of sim programs. Phun is "fun" and should be a part of every designer's toolkit.


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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #161 on: August 13, 2011, 11:11:27 PM »
The designe above is now updated with text.

Vidar

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #162 on: August 14, 2011, 12:55:30 AM »
My 'post ' #154, should be read, as though it was meant for my new design ------------------------ in fact, it
is meant for all the designs, OF THIS KIND!  (New design type.)

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #163 on: August 14, 2011, 05:34:30 AM »
WOW!
         Over 10,000 'hits' ------------- more than I thought I'd get!
It looks as though, people realy DO wan't someone to come good!  With your help, I'll be that 'someone',
so, 'come on train, and get the lead out'! (ELVIS ---------------- G I.Blues)

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Re: Overbalancing wheel
« Reply #164 on: August 14, 2011, 06:19:01 AM »
Y'know,  it don't matter how many times you get it wrong ---------- you only have to get it right once!



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