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Title: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 10, 2011, 02:42:38 AM
This is a new thread to develop FEASABLE WORKING products that are KNOWN to be FACT.  In the interest of efficiency, please post only factual documentation or prototype schematics that you have personally worked on so that this remains a quality thread with devices easily replicated for others.

Discussion was previously held at the "4th of May water announcement thread".

RM and Chet....if you know a way to quickly bring over some of the pertinent discussions from the other thread, please do so.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 10, 2011, 03:08:54 AM
RM

Your mind is working overtime man!  ;D  Yes the Gasifier is a great device because it is so flexible in its design.  You know, Austria has huge Gasifier turbine energy plants where they utilise wood chips to make 'Syngas' which then feed the turbines and create electricity.

Here are some great FACTS for you about PLASTIC and synthetic products.

1)  Waste plastic and rubber is FREE and there is plenty of it.
2)  It is manufactured from oil and hence, energy can always be converted back into its previous form (sometimes at MINOR cost
3)  If making LIQUID fuel from plastic, you can recover more than 80% of the petroleum back!!!!!  This is huge.
4)  IF utilizing a 'reactor' to make Syngas (Gasifier), your recovery rate can be even higher than that!!!

RM....your thinking about the preheating ELECTRIC module of a syngas reactor (to start process when engine cold) and then untilizing some other form of waste heat to heat the gasifier (think Exhaust), is right on the money!! 

I cant state this clear enough guys - FORGET HHO FOR NOW.  The amount of energy you spend in splitting the water to only have it recombine is a lot of pointless busywork and it only costs you effort and heartache.  HHO is a real bitch to tune also!!

THINK about the suggestions I have given you and the upsides are -

1)  They work on conventional ICE's
2)  Very little to no tuning is required
3) No elaborate electrical setup
4)  HHO has to utilize clean water with nasty chemicals and you are always cleaning the damn thing.

If you go the route of Syngas, Oil/water emulsion, Fume bubbler, WITH WATER VAPOR INJECTION, the reaction is done for you via catalytic process and you get the same massive energy boost (often MORE) than you would with HHO.

OK...now about Gasifiers/Syngas reactors.  For all his talk about cold fusion and magnetic poles blah blah....this is all that the Geet Reactor is....a VERY efficient Syngas reactor utilizing the waste heat of exhaust to catalyse water and carbon molecules within a venturi.  The output is very thin CLEAN syngas.  You could utilize anything carbon based on the front end of a Geet.

OK...now attempt to simplify and miniaturize.

Regards
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 10, 2011, 03:25:42 AM
E Goose
Very nice place you have here!
For me Making Fuel from waste plastic ,the way "Blest" the Japanese Comp Does Would be A good Goal.
  Making the Gas [Liquid Or Vapor] Then Running the whole process In a Loop Plus Extra!,Thats My kind of OU!!
AS I recall User Resin Rat commented something about a narrow Temp window where the magic happens ,He intimated that it wouldn't be easy
for the Doit Yourself crowd!

This may have been for the Tougher plastics ,I also remember something about 400 degrees F?

An 80% return is Stupifying ,We gotta give this a go...........

I am most definately going to play with this!
I hope Resin Rat can share some of the Chemistry involved with this?
I will Pm him ,And Beg is Input here................
Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: TheOne on May 10, 2011, 03:40:44 AM
I like this concept to recycle plastic or rubber, recycling car tire would be very great and so easy to get and free.

To get a car/truck to run 100% from it, what is the size of the reactor that we need, you will probably never able to
put in the engine bay where all the heat is located?

If you put in the trunk the problem is to get move the eat from the engine bay in the reactor.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 03:46:08 AM
Repost from original thread:    

"I don't buy that part of %2 gasoline in the water it would just pool up in one or two place's. I doubt it would even get through the system, if it did it would go through as a glob of gas not a %2 mixture. It would have to be injected some other way, not sure how?"
     Pete


OMG...cmon people...youre thinking so small and not even towards the outside of the box yet!

Of course its not going to be a glob of gasoline floating in a big tank of water, however there are ways to mix water and oil you know!!!

Im not going to give you the ultimate answer to water fuel but I will laugh at Mr X's 25 - 30% 'saving and give you two suggestions that will EASILY give you 50 - 70% fuel saving and a minimum 50% increase in power.

Forget HHO and all its baloney.  For all the work and energy that you put in, there are 'windows' of massive explosive power that can be gained from water but these are so small in the experimentation and so finicky that they are almost impossible to replicate.  HHO GAS alone is troublesome and a waste of time.  Not to mention all the expense of parts, making the device, distilled water, chemicals, constantly cleaning the stupid thing and more.

Here are two things you can replicate SIMPLY and test with old engines.

1)  EMULSIFIERS - Emulsifiers allow the oil molecule to be bound up into the water.  (This is how you run diesel engines on as low as 50% water to waste oil mix by using the correct emulsifier).  You know those lotions you put on your hands and face?  They utilize emulsifiers!!  They have to otherwise each time you open the container, you would be faced with the water components separated from the oils in the lotion.  Pre-mixing the fuel with the assistance of an emulsifier that will burn off without leaving residue in the engine is the key to BIG savings for diesel engines but can work with gasoline also.

2)  As 'TheOne' suggested, a VERY SIMPLE option for old carburettor gas engines is a plain tank of water with the gasoline floating in it (no emulsion).  You use the vacuum of the engine to draw the air through the bubbler and this agitates the gasoline water mix and the vehicle subsequently runs on FUMES and evaporated WATER VAPOR which enhance the detonation.  Unlike normal injection or carburettors which are designed to SPRAY the fuel (in what seems gigantic wasteful droplets), the bubbler FUMES and there is virtually no waste or pollution thanks to the water also.  Additionally, due to the water being EVAPORATED off, you dont need to go to the expense of distilled water.

Anyway, this is all very easy to test on a small or large scale.  Buy yourself an old bunky for your daughter who is about to get a drivers licence and install a bubbler tank on it!  It will require minimum of tuning also (unlike these pure HHO systems) and slash your fuel bill by at least 50% for hardly any effort.

The answers are out there.  Knowledge is the key to everything and this is nothing compared to what can be accomplished.  However before you all start waste time jumping from one thing to another chasing dreams that might never be and some cold fusion powered car that you will likely never see in your lifetime, start making changes RIGHT THIS INSTANT.  50% fuel saving is not to be laughed at and its not some pie in the sky idea....its old school physics that work.  Stick it to the man now!

THINK!!

ElectricGoose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 03:48:50 AM
Repost from original thread:

    "I suddenly find myself liking  Mr. electric Goose
    What would be a good surfactant for diesel??
    Do you have any links to study?"

    Thanks
    Chet


Chet my dear Fellow

I said EMULSIFIER not SURFACTANT.  They are not entirely the same and certainly will not help you in the fuel 'alloying' stakes.

Read up on OIL EMULSIFIERS and in particular, look for an organic emulsifier (plenty of them).  All you need it to do is bond the water droplets around a glob of oil fuel and bingo you have super fuel more explosive than diesel itself.  Just google it....I'm not doing a 'Tito' here and toying you along.  I have given you a simple answer, Im just saying that you should research a little yourself to aid education.  Its all easy to find.

@Everyone - I have said this before.  OU has been presented on forums many times and yet it goes ignored, unnoticed or whatever.  I am pretty sure one of the biggest obstacles to REPLICATION is that 1) people dont read properly and follow the instructions to the letter and 2) There is a 'pre-mindset' of "I know better" and they are already altering the design without trying the original first!

I gave you guys two really SUPER SIMPLE suggestions and all I ask is that as a first step, you do exactly this - TRY IT AS SUGGESTED TO THE LETTER.  I promise you it works.  After you have it working....THEN try and improve on it.

Believe me, with some not so fancy alterations, you can get your 'water fuel alloy' mix down to VERY lean numbers (under 10% fuel).  This sure beats buggering around with stupid HHO where you are burning energy to get less out.

All the best.

ElectricGoose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 03:50:24 AM
Repost from original thread:

Oh hell, I'm in a less than grouchy and generous mood today  ;D

Here is a patent that proves 40% oil/ 10% emulsifier/ 50% water is FACT.

Obviously this is a very technical document with an end product that is supposed to have a good 'shelf life' so don't read it and think "oh crap this is all too hard".  You can make fuel emulsion at home in your blender.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090313885

ElectricGoose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 03:52:05 AM
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Well Mr. Electris Goose
I think I actually do like you...........
And if you can get this idea to manifest in my Burner head of my furnace .......
I could actually learn to "love" you!!

Running different "soups through my engine [FI Diesel]without the benifit of "do this its good".,Is a little to dicey for my "budget" {this does all sound "pantone-esk]

But playing with a burner head and some "emulsifiers"  with a lasor therm
Till I get the right "recipe" that's doable !
{provided I don't go Abnormaly "Toxic" with emission }

This is all starting to sound very familiar ? Didn't some fellow from India get  a 90 -10 ratio [water to  fuel]running on some secret sause mix [patented]?
 Part of The Trick being he got it to stay in solution !

your sudden "Benevolent" mood is greatly appreciated!

I hope you don't wake up "Cranky" tommorow!
Your friend
Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 03:54:10 AM
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@CHET:

You had it when you said Goose’s advice sounded very similar to Pantone.  It is exactly what Pantone is doing (bubbling air/exhaust gasses through the fuel) MINUS the reactor.  This is how Pantone was able to run a 4 stroke engine on raw crude oil.  If you guys followed Pantone’s free plans, you could run your cars off of raw crude oil just like Paul did.  Why just gasoline?  Cut out the middle man.  Why do you think Pantone was harassed so much in the U.S.?  Because the crooked major oil companies in the U.S. saw that Paul Pantone could make it possible for people to cut them out of the loop and render their refineries useless.  They need for you to need them.  They don’t want you to be able to refine your own fuel as you drive.

Once you are running your cars off of raw crude oil, you can eventually phase out ALL of the U.S. gasoline refineries who are screwing us all as they gouge us without any government protection like the lie Obama told to get elected where he promised windfall profit taxes he said he would impose on the U.S. oil companies that he pussied out of.

Now the biggest challenge will be buying raw crude oil from oil producing countries.  I do not know if this is or is NOT possible.  If it is NOT possible, then this would be something to run by presidential candidates (making it legal for us to buy direct from oil producing countries which will make them compete for our business again) in our upcoming 2012 elections.  I will vote for ANY (and I mean ANY) candidate who would enable people using this kind of technology to buy directly from ANY crude oil vendor.  If they want our votes, they will at least consider it.

This will make fuel more affordable and less polluting at the same time.  Paul Pantone gives away the plans and permission to build one unit per individual.  It would be a start at least.

In a prior post I stated that we needed oil but this was just a poor attempt at reverse psychology.  I apologize for this.

Oscar
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 03:55:50 AM
Repost from original thread:

"your sudden "Benevolent" mood is greatly appreciated!

    I hope you don't wake up "Cranky" tommorow!
    Your friend
    Chet"


Chet

OK..its been a tough day but I have come home and I have a couple single malts under the belt plus a nice 78 Sangiovese....right now my benovolence knows no bounds so hang on to your hat.

 My first wish is that 'you' (everyone) question everything.  This is a good thing.  Extremes are destructive in that, on one end you have the guru followers who simply believe what looks believable and on the end you have those who believe nothing (new) is possible.  I ask that you not believe what I (or anyone else) has to say carte blanche, BUT if it seems MILDLY feasable, entertain it long enough so as to test it yourself and prove to YOURSELF what the TRUTH is by EVIDENCE.  This is how I have conducted scientific experiments.  If you are honest and humble with your approach, the truth will be made self evident and eventually lead you to the answers you seek.

Now that I have stated this....lets get down to making some fuel.

Chet (and everyone)... you dont need raw heavy unrefined crude oil in order to make fuel emulsion.   Anything as 'light' as waste frying canola (vegatable) oil will do the trick.  Once you have a recipe down pat, you are only limited by your creativity.  Large and small fast food places PAY waste haulers to remove there old oil.  If you beffriend a local, hamburger joint with chip fryer, there is nothing that will stop you from taking a couple drums a week for a case of beer.

Think of OIL as the positive pole of the battery and the water as the negative.  The further these two are apart the better.  I mean by this, that the HEAVIER the oil, the more bang for your explosive buck.  Strictly speaking you can make a fuel emulsion with very thin oils, however the explosive 'expansive' power is less.

OK...now back to emulsifiers.  The only problem with an emulsion (end product water oil fuel combined) is that if you dont combine it properly it will start to separate in the fuel tank before it eventually gets to the engine.  You can get around this TWO ways.

1)  Have the Oil and water in separate tanks and combine them with a simple mixer JUST PRIOR to combustion.
2)  Prepare the fuel mix in a more stable manner where the shelf life is assured.

YOU are the experimenter and how you want to go about it is up to you.

IF you use an organic emulsifier Chet, you will have no worries of toxic emissions and in fact with the water combination you will virtually have no nitrous toxins to speak of normally associated with diesel or heavy oil fuels.

The ONLY MINOR changes you MIGHT have to make to a diesel system for emulsion fuel is  in the fuel pump.  Some like a certain viscosity or wont tolerate water.  I dont know ALL the systems and therefore can't say which will be ok on which for certainty.  Additionally...most diesel fuel systems have a in line water removal filter and this can be done away with.

Now about Gasoline bubblers - -

ElectricGoose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 03:57:23 AM
Repost from original thread:

Gasoline bubblers are VERY simple.  If you have an old weed whacker, lawn mower or generator, I suggest you start small and work up.  A crappy vehicle is fine also.

I have already explained what you need to do.  As 'the One' has pointed out, it is Pantonish without the reactor.  Quite frankly, all that buggering around with the reactor really doesnt do a lot in my opinion when the majority of fuel efficiency is accomplished by water evap injection and fuming.

Normally, a engine running too lean would be far too HOT and this would lead to all sorts of issues.  However, with the introduction of the water vapor, not only do you 'cool' the burn but this has an anti detonant effect, creates higher compression and increases torque a tremeondous %.

I suggest you read up on the wikepedia info regarding 'standard' water injected engines, (mainly used in F1 aircraft such as the Red Bull Air Race).  This will give you and understanding of what what water vapor accomplishes inside the combustion cylinder.

OK....hop to it....theres savings to be made!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines)

ElectricGoose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 03:58:43 AM
Repost from original thread:

Well now Mr Goose... how nice of you to join the party!  ;D

Two excellent posts there so I thought I would chime in too if you don't mind...

This might interest you:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10572.0

So we do not need to access the crude oil directly from the pumpers, it is all around us. This new plastic into oil technology combined with what your talking about could very well provide the bridge technology we need to utilise all the ICE's in current use.

The link you posted about water injection into engines made me smile so I have reproduced my favourite paragraph below:

“Water injection has been used in both reciprocating and turbine aircraft engines. When used in a turbine engine, the effects are similar, except that preventing detonation is not the primary goal. Water is normally injected either at the compressor inlet or in the diffuser just before the combustion chambers. Adding water increases the mass being accelerated out of the engine, increasing thrust, but it also serves to cool the turbines. Since temperature is normally the limiting factor in turbine engine performance at low altitudes, the cooling effect allows the engines to be run at a higher RPM with more fuel injected and more thrust created without overheating.[3] The drawback of the system is that injecting water quenches the flame in the combustion chambers somewhat, as there is no way to cool the engine parts without cooling the flame accidentally. This leads to unburned fuel out the exhaust and a characteristic trail of black smoke.”

As you probably know I am a turbine man and have written extensively about them recently. The two key posts to pay attention too are these:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10274.0

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10451.0

These are important in regard to that paragraph because we can see that we now have a way of using water injection in a boundary layer turbine that increases torque on the shaft (not thrust) and at the same time cools the components of the turbine.

We also do not suffer the drawback of cooling the flame causing fuel to be incompletely burnt, and can also cool the combustion chamber separately because I have removed it from the turbine.

So you now have all the knowledge you need to build your own water injection, HHO detonation, rotary turbine system. Turbines are not ICE's and perform a different function.

What they do very well is maintain a very high constant torque, this will allow them to be the perfect engine for powering a constant speed PMA and provide what we need for converting water fuel to electricity in an electric vehicle.

When we consider that electrolysis is still very inefficient and is a fledgeling technology then large improvements will be made in the future. I find all this very exciting.

I sometimes wonder to myself how many of you realise what I have given you, the silence indicates I think that quite a lot of you do, which is good :)

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:00:14 AM
Repost from original thread:

Following on from the previous conversation I have had a chance to sleep on it and believe this might interest you all...

If we were to utilise the plastic to oil technology to make our own oil then we would have a hydrocarbon liquid with different properties, depending on what plastics we put into the “sauce mix”.

If we were to utilise a solid state mixer just prior to injection into the chamber then no emulsifier would be required, simplifying things massively, as we would not need an additional raw material and there would be no problems with changing the recipe.

The image I have put up is from this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injector

Anyone recognise its operating principles ? You should because it works the same way as the HELIS, in mechanical only mode without an electrolytic closed system crossover function.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10218.0

So it will be very simple to make your own with off the shelf components and stainless steel hydraulic fittings.

I would suggest that the motive fluid is the water, powered by a water pump, as it will have the necessary mass flow rate we require.

The entrained suction fluid would be our oil. I would suggest some kind of metering valve such as a needle or butterfly to control the oil mass flow rate which will change depending on the viscosity of your sauce mix. It will also allow you to adjust the power of the engine from the “cockpit” if you remote control it.

If you had a “Mr Fusion” on board for emergencies and you ran out of fuel, you could strip the dash or the bumper off and make some more to get you out of trouble. You could also go find some ground water to refill the water tank.

So any thoughts ?

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:01:23 AM
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Evolving Ape

Yes, I have considered the emulsion with the emulsifier and this has been accomplished.  Really this whole thing is only limited by how complex or simple you wish to make it.

Emulsifiers have the problem that if you don't chose the right one, they will leave a residue after burn.  Additionally, if you dont get the formula correct there is the worry of separation if stored for prolonged periods.  Mixing in some prechamber as you suggest gets around both these concerns.

The bottom line is....don't get bogged down with huge design issues. Start with something and work from there.  You KNOW that oil + water in a 50:50 ratio when hitting a hot surface will immediately 'flash' into a expansive superfuel far more volatile than oil or diesel by itself.  Make this your bench mark.

If you have a little diesel engine that you can experiment with, the simplest way to circumvent emulsifiers is first making sure that the fuel pump is in order and will handle a water/oil mix.  After that, anything as simple as 'blending vortex' chamber prior to the fuel pump and primarily the INJECTOR RAIL is where you will want the mixing of water and oil to occur if you don't include a binder.

If you agitate/whisk water and oil enough until the oil 'beads' are very small, they will actually stay in solution long enough without the emulsifier to make it through to the injector rail.

ElectricGoose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:02:41 AM
Repost from original thread:

Hello again Mr Goose,

I have done some further thinking on our discussions and I now wish to share with you my current direction...

For me emulsification technology is a no go. I mean absolutely no disrespect to you, your work in this regard is admirable, but it fails my criteria.

The reasons for this are that an emulsifier requires a stable raw material, acceptable quality control, a continuous support structure, and considerable R&D. It is also suited more to mass production than on demand supply.

All of these are outside the resources of the common man. My aim of the game is to provide technology that does not require me and my specialist knowledge. A failsafe mechanism if you will.

So, I have worked upon Injector technology and come up with my Injector Mk1.

This utilises off the shelf stainless steel 316 fixed female tees, sleeving technology, ECV inserts and diffuser technology.

Water pressure is generated by a pump and forced through the ECV, oil vapour is sucked in under vacuum just before the area of maximum compression, and is then propelled from subsonic to supersonic.

This supersonic velocity soup is then forced through a 10 Micron Gauze causing atomisation (or close too), before being fed to the Injector Rail.

Note that I have inverted the Oil Vapour Inlet, this is to prevent on shut down water entering the oil boiler.

This design also removes the need for a condenser chamber as with the standard plastic to oil technology. The condensation of the oil vapour occurs upon vacuum suction into the water stream just before the area of maximum compression.

This means all we now need to do is melt the plastic in a stainless container, simplifying the architecture, and the vapour gases are sucked into the injector, not liquid.

Control the mix by controlling the injection hole diameter. For prototyping start small and then simply drill the next size up and compare performance until optimum is achieved.

With a plastic boiler installed in the boot of the car and the fuel tank of the car filled with water instead of petrol it should be a simple retro fit.

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:04:43 AM
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    RM
    Waste plastic is a monsterous Problem!
    Turning it into a resource such as a fuel woulsd be "HUGE"!

    The idea of setting up a supply line for recycling in this manner would be very appealing!
    The "Processer" and the troubles associated with it are the weakest link in this?
    IMO the place to start is there,get a good reliable "reactor" the rest will follow![This would be Oh so Cool!:=}

    BTW Mr.Goose
    I have to say That 50/50 bench mark you speak of [to start]
    Very Cool,
    I picked up Half a dozen old VW 1.6 diesels recently,Might play with a
    bit of "soup"!
    Have you got a "Recipe" to start the ball rolling?

    Thanks
    Chet


Chet

Wow...you guys are terrible.  :-)  You give me a hard time about not suggesting better ways for energy and now Im stuck in this thread LOL.

@ Evolving Ape - LOVELY design man...but dont reinvent the wheel.

I'm a big fan of RESEARCH and READING.  It may take many hours but aquiring knowledge is less expensive and more time efficient than building something in your garage only to find out that some fella has accomplished the same task 100 years ago.  Sadly, much of that goes on at these forums.

Chet, even though I gave you guys two choices right at the start (emulsifier or none OR bubbler),  whilst the chemical/organic emulsifier route has you burning water/oil alloy fuel much quicker (due to simplicity), I would suggest you go the route that Evolving Ape is looking at so you dont have the hassle of mixing emulsifier and any issues with residue in the engine.

We have already discussed a little on 'mechanical' means of agitating the water into a fuel oil emulsion but dont forget others options like sonic/acoustic cavitation.  No real moving parts and it uses minimal energy to mush the water and oil into a nice soup.

Here is a company that already sells units that are tried and tested.  Do we hear anything about this???  Hell no.  You can buy them to attach onto your furnace or under the hood of the car and they mix a minimum 35% water with oil.

Don't forget what I said about oil and water....the ratio is going to vary according to the type of oil you use and only testing will give YOU the guaranteed numbers.  Heavier the oil, the less you have to use.  It can be recycled out of a chip fryer it does not matter.  Just make sure you have run it through a basic fine filter to get all the 'particles' out.

Theres a lot of great second hand stuff out there that you dont have to build and can be 'cogged together' so as to achieve multiple purposes.  Small compressors, venturi tubes, etc etc.  Think outside the box and you will barely have to make anything yourself.

Have a look at this - http://www.3rdrockenergy.com/save.html

ElectricGoose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:06:02 AM
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Further along the lines of sonic cavitation....check this out from 1975.  Take a gander at the design - SIMPLICITY.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=cKSqa8u3EIoC&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=ultrasonic+fuel+mixer&source=bl&ots=A732pb4uI_&sig=x2v3cTTykNw95LVOUZ-_jKeHmk0&hl=en&ei=jqvHTYOXMczhrAfB9OjVBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

This just shows what ultrasonic ATOMIZATION does.  The mileage improved 22 - 28%

  In this case it doesnt even introduce water....just imagine the mileage if it did!!!!!!!!

Ultrasonics within a enclosed space are capable of producing destructive cavitation and some companies use this to 'cold boil' water and oil together 'smashing' them into micron fine beaded emulsion far superior to that of a mechanical mixer.

Its all good!

ElectricGoose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:08:01 AM
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Hey Chet,

Yes this conversation is bringing up some very interesting directions to pursue...

You heard about all the plastic floating in the sea in what they are calling the dead zone ? It's supposed to be the size of Texas or something like that. This technology could turn all that plastic into energy and would be as simple as parking a few big generator ships in the middle of it.

The added beauty of this is that all the water you could ever want and the plastic are in the same place so I see no problems implementing this.

Mr Goose...

I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, I simply took the wheel that had been invented and made the variables customisable for the experimenter.

On another note you got me thinking, there was a project I was playing around with a few years back that utilised off the shelf technology that can be adapted to what we are talking about here.

This is my interpretation of the Paint Spraygun Water Fuel Atomiser Injection System...

As we can see there is a heat source and a saucepan full of water. The Spraygun paint pot is suspended in the water to prevent hot spots and is evenly heated by the boiling water.

Plastic is dropped into the chamber and then the chamber is sealed. The plastic melts and gives off oil vapour.

The pressurised water is connected to what used to be the air inlet. When the trigger is pressed the water flows over the venturi and oil vapour is sucked into the water stream.

This is fed to the atomiser for mixing and then goes off to the Injector Rail of the engine.

Is that simple enough for you ? ;)

RM :)

Also, if you wanted to use the Stainless Steel Kelly Kettle as the heat source then you would never have to worry about fuel, you could use twigs off the ground.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/sp18c-spray-gun/path/spray-guns-spraying-equipment-air-brushes

http://www.kellykettle.com/Kelly-Kettles/Stainless-Steel-Trekker-Kelly-Kettle%C2%AE-0.57-Ltr-/-1-pint.html
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:09:29 AM
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This is basically what Paul Pantone was doing in a different way, if we mix all this with hho, we can probably get something very good

TheOne
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:10:50 AM
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Now lets take that whole concept one step further and nearly finish the picture of what a under the hood simple refinery is starting to look like my dear fellows.

Remember the World War 2 Gasifier that turns wood into gas that can be used on internal combustion engines???  Well Mr Evolving Ape....thats basically what you have there in your plastic recycler!!  Except, you have a far MORE volatile fuel (in plastic) that is still carbon based and will emit a more explosive fume than wood alone.

Please read up on actually what happens in a gasifier -  Moisture in the timber is crucial to the process

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasification

Heres a fella who stutters something awful and has made the crudest lovely gasifier from a paint tin and old can of bake beans -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgu9BdHeUYg

Add water mist to this and we are now up to 100% recycling stakes, "goodbye to the bowser".  In fact you dont need ADDITIONAL water to run an engine with a gasifier, it is that volatile and efficient.  However because we are talking about recycling horrible plastic with all those nasty chemicals, you will want to 'wash' the fumes via the in cyclinder combustion, which will eradicate almost all of this.

I'm not sure how many of you know this, but there is a nice little refinery that exists in the States which runs off patented technology which turns ALL OIL BASED plastics/rubber/synthetics/etc back into refined fuel.  The entire plant is actually the largest OU device in the world because it uses its own fuel (from the recycling process) with ManyX more output of refined fuel left to sell back to the consumer.  Yet...where is this technology???  Why arent they making these plants for every City/Power plant/ vehicle???  Yeh...money of course.  Obviously we shouldnt be making plastic in the first place but until that day, these plants would be great to get rid of toxic landfill and Ocean pollution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNcht2x4m8g

ElectricGoose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:13:03 AM
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Hello Everyone,

This thread is becoming very productive... it's so much better when all the kiddies play nicely together! ;D

It has been years since I even thought about gasifiers, and then I did not pay them much attention as I was far too busy with my turbines which are not based on hydrocarbon fuel.

My interest has been rekindled and I am going to give this subject some serious thought :)

If "TheOne" fancies adding HHO to the mix then it will be simple, I have already shown you how to do this... See pictures below and combine them into one device ;)

As a tip...

Schedule 80 316 Seamless 1/8 pipe has an OD of 10.3mm.

1/2 BSP hydraulic equal hexagon nipple fittings have an internal bore of about 11.9mm.

This means that the pipe can be sleeved perfectly into the fitting using just two pieces of brass tubing sleeve of the correct size. 1off K&S 7/16 x 0.14 (11.1mm x 0.355mm) Stock #137 and 1off K&S 15/32 x 0.14 (11.92mm x 0.355mm) Stock #138.

The HELIS insert is then centred in the ID bore of the pipe and then add electricity...

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:14:12 AM
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Hi Everyone,

Here is an updated Injector diagram factoring in HHO production.

It is going to be really interesting to see what kind of fuel energy we can generate with a device like this...

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:15:21 AM
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Hi Everyone,

Here is an inline filter at 10 Microns that might work very well as an atomiser with the Injector Mk2...

Just make sure it is electrically isolated from the circuit or the stainless steel filter will disappear!

http://www.magnafuel.com/products/accessories/filters/

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:16:51 AM
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Hi Everyone,

Here is a good Loctite for sleeving... 638 Maximum Strength :)

It is highly viscous (gloopy) and works on clearances up to 0.25mm. It should electrically isolate the sleeves from the circuit if you do it right. Check it with a multimeter :)

You will also need ½ BSP Fixed Female Tees and ½ BSP Male x Male Adaptor (the tubes are sleeved in the adaptor and the adaptor screws into the tees)

This is a very exciting development we have created between us... anyone else notice the abnormally high number of people on the site today ? :)

RM :)

http://www.bearingboys.co.uk/Loctite_638_Maximum_Strength_Retaining_Compound_50ml-847-p#

http://www.customfittings.co.uk/brochures/CF100D2003/Default.html

http://www.nero.co.uk/3000lb_pipe_fittings

http://www.burnettandhillman.co.uk/en/

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=4512

http://www.cotswoldengineeringsupplies.co.uk/Hydraulic%20Adaptors/adaptorsproducts.php?item=BTFF&inthere=&line=Hydraulic%20Adaptors
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 10, 2011, 04:18:03 AM
Blest Technology
One of Many links on the web
http://thecoolgadgets.com/blest-company-plastic-to-oil-machine-home-plastic-recycling-made-easy/

I can see a nice little Cottage industry popping up from this,{sorta like the old "Moonshine" Biz ;D]

Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:18:07 AM
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RM
I will have to look for the Link ,A Chinese fellow Built a Portable plastic waste proccessor that he took to Third world countries to make Fuel on demand,Very small [home garbage compacter sized].I don't know if he's from the same company as the Big Plants E Goose Mentioned?

We had a brief discussion on this Here ,but it was decided it wasn't for the faint of heart !

I know this can be done  safely ,it just requires some safety Protocol be followed!
This I can Do!!

Good stuff
Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:19:15 AM
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Hey Chet,

Cool :)

I did not find out about plastic into oil technology until a few weeks ago when I heard about the Japanese guy via Rumormillnews. I was impressed, but it was not until the conversation with Mr Goose I realised the potential for gasification injectors. Thankyou Mr Goose!

The fact that HELIS technology is perfectly suited for integration is a big bonus!!

I have been thinking about it and if we were to use a heater element to start the gasification process powered by the battery then once the engine is running we can turn the heater element off. We insert the plastic boiler water system in between the engine and the radiator and use waste engine heat to continue making gas.

If we also upgrade the alternator to a PMA we are saving power that can be used to run a Dry Cell and we can also add HHO into the mix in the same way as the gas. I have put up the Mk3 Injector to show the same venturi effect for a HHO feed. Just watch that the HELIS insert does not erode too badly via electrolysis, if it does then don't use it in this way and just take a HHO feed from a Dry Cell. When (if) the titanium plating technology is proven then that will prevent HELIS insert erosion.

Also, this might interest you:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cpp2-pressurised-paint-container/path/spray-guns-spraying-equipment-air-brushes

Perfect for what we need I think!

I was also thinking about processing the plastic into liquid for storage as well. If you were to melt the plastic down into a liquid and then pour it into a container smaller than the pressure container, and then allow it to cool... You would have solidified plastic pellets the perfect size.

Refuelling your car would be as simple as dropping a new plastic pellet in and filling the tank with water.

The only thing you gotta watch out for is plastics with a high melting temperature such as polypropylene which is over 100 C, they might not melt.

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 10, 2011, 04:21:35 AM
E Goose
Very nice place you have here!
For me Making Fuel from waste plastic ,the way "Blest" the Japanese Comp Does Would be A good Goal.
  Making the Gas [Liquid Or Vapor] Then Running the whole process In a Loop Plus Extra!,Thats My kind of OU!!
AS I recall User Resin Rat commented something about a narrow Temp window where the magic happens ,He intimated that it wouldn't be easy
for the Doit Yourself crowd!

This may have been for the Tougher plastics ,I also remember something about 400 degrees F?

An 80% return is Stupifying ,We gotta give this a go...........

I am most definately going to play with this!
I hope Resin Rat can share some of the Chemistry involved with this?
I will Pm him ,And Beg is Input here................
Thanks
Chet

Chet

Very nice to have you and RM enthusiatic.  When I told you guys originally that less than 5% 'fuel' to water ratio is more than achievable, I wasnt kidding.  In fact the numbers can get very low indeed.

One of the MANY things you have to let go of is 'common perception' or the herd thinking...some call it the sheeple mind.  Society is so hopelessly blinded that unless you first let go of EVERYTHING, you cannot then start afresh to assess where the truth lies.   

Unfortunately, these forums are often a further distortion of the sheeple mind because now you have a group of people perhaps focussing on one way to make alternate energy when that way is so incredibly inefficient!!!  HHO is a classic example of this.  One idea that has taken off in order to supposedly save you gas bills but it is so much hard work when the actual truth is so very much simpler.

BTW...for all you HHO lovers out there....Im not saying there ISNT a way to crack water into its gas efficiently for fuel!  What I am saying is this - IF YOU CURRENTLY DONT KNOW HOW TO CRACK WATER AND THINK THE WAY IS VIA ELECTROLYSIS OR FANCY PWM ALONE THEN YOU ARE IN FOR A LONG HARD ROAD OF EXPENSE AND DISAPPOINTMENT.  I am only trying to save you this and suggest other ways that are so very efficient at cracking the energy from water.

Question everything....and then try attempt the impossible.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 10, 2011, 04:25:59 AM
I like this concept to recycle plastic or rubber, recycling car tire would be very great and so easy to get and free.

To get a car/truck to run 100% from it, what is the size of the reactor that we need, you will probably never able to
put in the engine bay where all the heat is located?

If you put in the trunk the problem is to get move the eat from the engine bay in the reactor.

My dear fellow....youre damning yourself before you have even started!!  :-)

An efficient reactor suitable for a 4 cylinder engine could fit in the palm of your hand.  As far as heat goes, there is plenty to be had around the exhaust which is outside the engine bay.  You spread the components around and there is plenty of room.

Best
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:26:33 AM
Ok guys I have finished all the reposts that I feel were pertinent to the discussion.

I have left the HHO information in there as in my opinion we simply do not know enough about this technology yet and it would be premature to exclude it on current assumptions.

It might just be the curious guy that gives it a go that makes the breakthrough, so I feel it is only right that they have the knowledge available if they want it. (Plus I personally love HHO  :P)

I think I am going to put up a summary and maybe a new better graphic when I have had a chance to sleep on all this, this technology has really got me excited in a way that has been absent for a while. It is getting my full attention... that's for sure  ;D

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 10, 2011, 05:03:41 AM
Ok guys I have finished all the reposts that I feel were pertinent to the discussion.

I have left the HHO information in there as in my opinion we simply do not know enough about this technology yet and it would be premature to exclude it on current assumptions.

It might just be the curious guy that gives it a go that makes the breakthrough, so I feel it is only right that they have the knowledge available if they want it. (Plus I personally love HHO  :P)

I think I am going to put up a summary and maybe a new better graphic when I have had a chance to sleep on all this, this technology has really got me excited in a way that has been absent for a while. It is getting my full attention... that's for sure  ;D

RM :)

RM

Thanks for going to the effort of copy and paste.

By all means, if your love is HHO...then so be it.  Who of us has not been warned by friends of a Gal we might be dating and they say "she is no good for ya!" ....but when the love is there...who can stop it???  LOL

May your HHo mistress not take you for every penny you have  :D

Best

Oily Goose
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: TheOne on May 10, 2011, 05:10:50 AM
My dear fellow....youre damning yourself before you have even started!!  :-)

An efficient reactor suitable for a 4 cylinder engine could fit in the palm of your hand.  As far as heat goes, there is plenty to be had around the exhaust which is outside the engine bay.  You spread the components around and there is plenty of room.

Best

The only problem is you need to store a lot of plastic in the container to get a useful amount of gas, 1kg of plastic for 1L of oil, So ideal size reactor must be able to contain the amount of L in KG from the gas tank, so it can be big unless you process the oil on your garage :)

So a JEEP with 80 L gas tank. Ideal reactor must be able to store 80 KG of plastic/rubber to get the same mileage?
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 10, 2011, 05:21:23 AM
The only problem is you need to store a lot of plastic in the container to get a useful amount of gas, 1kg of plastic for 1L of oil, So ideal size reactor must be able to contain the amount of L in KG from the gas tank, so it can be big unless you process the oil on your garage :)

So a JEEP with 80 L gas tank. Ideal reactor must be able to store 80 KG of plastic/rubber to get the same mileage?

OK...good questions but youre still thinking old school and the blinded paradigm.  Virtually none of what you suggests applies because -

1)  We have 80L fuel tanks CURRENTLY because our vehicles are designed to be horribly WASTEFUL gas guzzling pieces of metal. SOoooooo..... -
2)  IF you start thinking that you now have a device that delivers 5X the mileage (minimum)....this suddenly shrinks the fuel tank right!
3)  With a syngas reactor you dont need huge amounts of oil/plastic on hand because a half litre of carbon material catalysed with WATER (dont forget the water), expands the energy density 100 fold into explosive gas.

What do you see with geet?  Thats not complex and its not even the best way to accomplish it either.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 10, 2011, 05:36:15 AM
Heres a little bit of history on where the gasification process started....Good old Germans in the 1920's...damn theyre smart fellas.  By the war era they were producing thousands of barrels of synthetic diesel per day using this method of catalysation from biomass.

What is old is now new again and rather than trashing it, smart countries are taking off with this tech.  Australia has a big plant able to produce synthetic diesel from anything like coal, biomass waste, plastics etc.

All the modern plants are a ripoff of the patented Fischer Tropsch process from 1920.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: sergenet on May 10, 2011, 12:35:32 PM
I agree with ElectricGoose that HHO is a waste of time and money. I tinkered with it for a while and blew the gasket off my engine because I could not control the amount of HHO going into the ICE. Using emulsifiers to mix water and gas is the way to go plus it is very cheap.

@Chet, if you are going to try and buy/build a gasification unit let me know.
Serge
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 10, 2011, 01:59:42 PM
Some thing to look at
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7040-how-turn-plastic-waste-into-diesel-fuel-cheaply.html
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In the Rough the concept couldn't be simpler ,just seems to take Heat?

@Serge
Yes I will be Building a gasifier,It seems like I could go over to my stove and build one from the wifes "pot" inventory?
However .................
Lets do it right!!
Loop it!!

Chet
PS
And with all these great ideas on how to get the most out of the Fuel?
 we'll put these to work during proccessing and once again during final application!
This is going to be a sweet deal
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 04:26:39 PM
Hello Everyone,

I was planning to do a write-up this morning consisting of a review of where we are with these concepts, when I woke up I realised I could do much better...

You all want an environmentally friendly electric vehicle right ?

Well then... here you go :)

I have put up two new diagrams of the Gasifier Energy Conversion Valve covering both priming and ignition cycles.

The valve is opened and closed via a voice coil timed from the shaft.

The Ignition Spark is achieved via a Buzz Coil unit also timed from the shaft.

The Non Return Valve prevents flashback through the atomiser.

The Energy Conversion Valve converts the static high pressure from detonating expanding gasses to fluid velocity and directs it into the turbine.

I would suggest that you go with the Winglet Boundary Layer Turbine of Ken Riely design as a first prototype turbine, as this design is tried and tested and there is an excellent build resource available to you:

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/gmpr/ptbc15.htm

The basic concept is that plastic is gasified and combined with water before being atomised and injected under pressure into the ECV.

The ECV then detonates the fuel and sends high velocity fluid into the turbine disc stack causing a torque moment.

The turbine can also be enhanced by tapping the output rotary moment to run a pump to create water pressure that will be pulsed into the turbine via a K valve, increasing the mass flow rate of the working fluid and also cooling the turbine.

The idea is to run the turbine at a constant speed to turn a permanent magnet alternator. The electricity generated will determine the size of electric motor you can run.

A battery bank is used to buffer the electricity produced via the PMA and a charge controller prevents overcharge of the battery bank.

All of this, along with the water tanks can be mounted on one of these buggy's:

http://www.blitzworld.co.uk/joyrider-sport-rolling-chassis-kit-2010-i861.html

Enjoy :)

RM :)

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 10, 2011, 06:25:27 PM
Hi Everyone,

Just an additional thought to the Gasifier ECV post previously...

Timing off the shaft for valve opening and closure, and also ignition from the Buzz Coil, may be unnecessary. The pressure inside the chamber will equalize in a set time variable by the feed pressure, you simply need to fire the charge when the chamber is primed. This simplifies things a lot, no need for timing wheels and reduction gear boxes. A turbine will accept the energy at any point in it's phase rotation.

Also the comments on HHO being a waste of time only really apply to ICE's. There are other options to pursue for ICE's that are much more usefull such as this thread is discussing.

There are other options for HHO as my work clearly shows. HHO is also a prime mover fuel that can be generated by sunlight and so may become extremely important in the future for rehydration of our deserts. So I would encourage anyone interested in HHO to continue the research, but perhaps consider an alternate end use for it, and not plan on running an ICE directly off 100% HHO.

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: sergenet on May 10, 2011, 06:37:49 PM
@evolvingape, my thoughts exactly concerning HHO. Thank you.

Serge
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 11, 2011, 07:18:57 AM
Dont forget to look into the Plasmatron fuel Catalyser that was buried after MIT conducted all that work on it.

VERY simple device and basically an electric version of the Geet unit.  It bolts to the front of your carburettor.  This is how it works -

TWO intakes
1)  AIR with high voltage plasma that the air passes through
2)  FUEL adjacent but insulated from the HV plasma.

The two streams mix prior to being sucked into the carb and you get an efficient catalysing of the hydrogen to fuel.  Results showed a 22 - 28% fuel economy increase and thats with NO water added.

Notice the common vector yet?

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 11, 2011, 01:16:35 PM
Hello Everyone,

I have copied this text below from this page:

http://www.finishsystems.com/economystainlesssteelpressurepots.html

“NOTICE: We want to make prospective pressure pot customers aware of corrosion issues using water base coatings, and especially water solutions in Teflon coated pressure tanks, or aluminum 2 quart cups.
Water-base coatings and solutions contained in closed Teflon tanks can develop rust where the film is broken around the gasket ring welds. Plated steel fittings, which penetrate the lid will also rust from the humidity contained in a closed tank. When every day coatings and solutions contain water we recommend stainless steel pressure tanks.
Aluminum 2 quart cups can also develop rust (white powder) when coatings and solutions are stored in the cup for an extended amount of time. However this corrosion does not occur when the cup is cleaned and air-dried after each use.”

NOTE: If there is a plastic liner in the pot then it is going to melt... FREE FUEL  ;D

You can also get heavy duty cast iron paint pots:

http://jeffersontools.com/air_tools/category/spray_guns/29/81/

And you can get miniature stainless steel paint pots for water based paints:

http://jeffersontools.com/air_tools/category/spray_guns/29/78/

So no need to use the aluminium ones as the stainless can be got so cheap if you shop around :) The last example above is going to be a complete stainless system for prototyping with melting pot and injector assembly for about £20 GBP... a bit of a bargain me thinks ;)

Hope that helps :)

RM :)

P.S. I think the standard Paint Cup to Spraygun fitting size on Spray Guns is 3/8 BSP...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1LT-SYPHON-SUCTION-FEED-PAINT-CUP-POT-SPRAY-GUN-NEW-/170636768682?pt=UK_Body_Shop_Supplies_Paint&hash=item27babe75aa


Correction:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-spray-gun-starter-kit-prod19501/

This is 1/4 BSP fitting...

Morale of the story: check the fitting size carefully so you know what your working with :)

Additional picture see link for description:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/fuji-fuji-xpc-gravity-spray-gun-prod810316/
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 11, 2011, 02:24:32 PM
Hi Everyone,

This is the Silverline version of the spray gun:

http://www.silverlinetools.com/products?search=spray+gun

The specifications page of the High Pressure version is here:

http://www.silverlinetools.com/media/manuals/763556_Z1MANPRO1.PDF

We can see that the working pressure is 45 – 60 PSI

And this paragraph tells us that pressure in this gun controls the atomisation size:

Pressure Spraying

After selecting correct size fluid orifice, set fluid pressure for desired flow. Open atomization air and test spray. If spray is too fine reduce air pressure. If spray is too coarse, raise air pressure. Adjust pattern width and repeat adjustment of spray. Keeping fluid control knob in position will reduce fluid needle wear.
NOTE: To reduce overspray and obtain maximum efficiency, always spray with the lowest possible atomization air pressure.

And here is a good 12V DC Water Pump at 70 PSI that will connect directly to your car battery 12V system:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marine-Automatic-Fresh-Water-Pump-12v-2-6-lt-min-70psi-/380294058896?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM&hash=item588b4ad390

Add a switch and an inline fuse for on / off capability...

So this is all you need for a complete prototyping system to run your ICE from the Gasification of waste plastic.

Simple...

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 11, 2011, 02:31:37 PM
RM

I think youre losing sight of how to SAVE FUEL man.  ANY atomiser is wasteful.  BIG drops of fuel flying through the air and sucked into the engine only to be not burned in their entirity and thrown out the exhaust to pollute the environement and your lungs.

Look at CATALYSING into gas.

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 11, 2011, 02:51:02 PM
Hi Everyone,

Here is the Melting Pot technology that reloaders use to make lead bullets in the garage.

The small version has no bottom pour capability which means there is no tap to let the lead flow out the bottom into the mold... but we do not need this! The large version has the bottom pour tap but is not going to be used.

http://www.midwayuk.com/apps/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?SaleItemID=210973

http://www.midwayuk.com/apps/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?SaleItemID=721153

This will allow you to fill the pot with either water or oil and control the temperature of the liquid precisely. Water will evaporate quickly so do not let it run dry, Oil will be fine at 100 C (Chip pan oil) and not burst into flames so will probably be the best option! Suspend the paint pot so it does not touch the sides or bottom of the Melter Furnace... and you need to make sure your paint pot fits with clearance all around or you need a bigger more expensive furnace!

And there you have it... a complete system for prototyping... for less than $200 8)

Who can get their ICE running on plastic and water by the weekend ?

Hehe...

RM :)

Oh yeah... if you wanted to you could strip the tubular heating element out of it, build it into a stainless steel outer container to surround the paintpot, add a small inverter, add a liquid pumping system like your radiator system on your car, and then you got a complete system for on demand generation in your engine bay...  ;D
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 11, 2011, 03:00:06 PM
Wow
I can not believe how simple this plastic to fuel actually is!
This Fellow Jetjis is a Jem
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7040-how-turn-plastic-waste-into-diesel-fuel-cheaply.html

I'm not even half way through his thread yet!

350-400 C seems to be where this all starts to happen!

And with all the info being presented here ,getting the most out of the Mix will be very interesting indeed.
@Mr.Goose
Plasmatron??

Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 11, 2011, 03:01:40 PM
Hi Mr Goose,

I hear ya loud and clear but I am excited, and when I am excited I let my mind run and get creative. These are all new applications for concepts I had already worked on but had no use for up to now.

I will come back and look at it all again when a little time has gone by, and probably adjust my thinking, but for now... I am enjoying the incredible speed my thoughts are travelling at... very stimulating... it is like a drug!

Respectfully,

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 11, 2011, 03:15:48 PM
OK OK LOL...excited is good but you know like the Boss at the Nike shoe factory says every morning - "Imagine this new sneaker not on your foot but up your ass if I don't see you working!!!"   :D

And you thought I was going to say "Just do it".

Regards
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 11, 2011, 03:26:28 PM
Haha ok  ;D

I know I might have got a little carried away with suggesting running an ICE directly from Gasification but I see no reason why it could not be done if the "plastic" content was high enough, and if the plastic is free who cares how much you use ? as long as you can fit it in the car that is  :D

The new Gasification ECV concept though is stunning to me because it uses off the shelf components and would directly power the turbine, this is why I am not concerned with "saving fuel". The electric vehicle application uses technology that is understood by everyone, available off the shelf (apart from the Winglet Turbine but there is a "how to build" resource for that), and the rest can be easily built with known concepts... So... I am EXCITED!  ;D

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 11, 2011, 03:33:55 PM
Haha ok  ;D

I know I might have got a little carried away with suggesting running an ICE directly from Gasification but I see no reason why it could not be done if the "plastic" content was high enough, and if the plastic is free who cares how much you use ? as long as you can fit it in the car that is  :D

The new Gasification ECV concept though is stunning to me because it uses off the shelf components and would directly power the turbine, this is why I am not concerned with "saving fuel". The electric vehicle application uses technology that is understood by everyone, available off the shelf (apart from the Winglet Turbine but there is a "how to build" resource for that), and the rest can be easily built with known concepts... So... I am EXCITED!  ;D

RM :)

Your enthusiasms are founded in logic and I shall not be the one to disuade you from them!!   I know running ICE on near 100% water catalyst is possible and what you wish to accomplish is grand also.
If it means not buying new refined fuel from the bowser and cutting the carbon load.....its all gold.

See your way clear to the task and set your hand to it.  Godspeed.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: TheOne on May 11, 2011, 04:18:18 PM
Wow
I can not believe how simple this plastic to fuel actually is!
This Fellow Jetjis is a Jem
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7040-how-turn-plastic-waste-into-diesel-fuel-cheaply.html

I'm not even half way through his thread yet!

350-400 C seems to be where this all starts to happen!

And with all the info being presented here ,getting the most out of the Mix will be very interesting indeed.
@Mr.Goose
Plasmatron??

Chet

I like this one, I want to make a big one like that, if I can make my own fuel in my garage its best :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: TheOne on May 11, 2011, 04:57:26 PM
What is the exact process to convert rubber/plastic into gasoline instead of diesel. Its seam this is mostly the same between the 2 but they are something I miss related to what kind of gas you can do and how to do it the way I want to.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 11, 2011, 05:09:39 PM
@Mr.Goose
Plasmatron??

Chet

Yes Plasmatron Chet....not the Sony one.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 11, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
What is the exact process to convert rubber/plastic into gasoline instead of diesel. Its seam this is mostly the same between the 2 but they are something I miss related to what kind of gas you can do and how to do it the way I want to.

All the pertinent KEY information has been posted.  Go back and have a read of all the links while the thread is still young.  It won't take you long.

In answer to your question - If you want to run a Gasoline engine on waste plastic or any biomass (that is carbon based), STOP thinking old technology of liquid fuels wastefully sprayed into the engine.... research 'fuel reforming' (cracking) and also steam reforming.

THEN think how you can simply deliver that volatile gas on demand into a standard ICE.   

Knowledge is power.  With it you can build anything.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: TheOne on May 11, 2011, 06:20:32 PM
On demand system is not the way to go for me. why?

Usually when I use my car, its for small trip that take around 20 min, if the process of gasifiing take 5/15 min to start you lose time. And you need to carry the reactor with suffisent plastic/rubber

While at home you can make your device, let the device do the work while you are doing other thing, just need to get the fuel generated and put in the car when you need it, you are creating your own gas station.

I will buy some big container this week and start on similar to the one made on the other forum, I have space, big garage, so its not a problem for me to use space for that.

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 11, 2011, 08:01:56 PM
Hello Everyone,

I am going to give you an update on where I am with my thought processes and with my direction.

If your direction is ICE engines then I am not really the man to speak to, I have never been particularly interested in them and have not invested much time into them. The reason for this is that so many other people are pursuing this route that I figured my time would be better spent elsewhere.

The information that I have posted related to gasification devices for ICE's was not designed by me for that purpose. When Mr Goose generously shared with me his knowledge of gasification technology I realised I already had the hardware you all required worked out, I just had to adapt it for a new purpose. This I have now done and you have both cheap off the shelf adaptations and custom adaptations using HELIS technology to play with.

Now, my direction is turbines, I am a turbine man through and through. I know how good they are and I want to show YOU how good they are. Everything you have read about HHO PCT's and the RotoMax and the I0toMax has come about because I needed an on demand fuel to power a turbine for an electric car. This is where I was going all along with the development of these technologies. I hinted at the electric car option but I was waiting for my work to be proven before I told you about it.

The problem I had with HHO was the old problem of overunity or not. I had to replace that energy before I got anything out to power the car, which is why I spent so many years on developing the open system theory. There's one headache I am glad is over!

When I became aware of the possibility of gasification of waste plastics and the potential for fuel it presented it took a few days for it all to sink in. Once I had grasped the concept I started to see what I could do with it. This was actually a very simple process for me, because I realised that all of the work I did with HHO could be oh so simply adapted to plastic fuel.

The difference is that the MAJOR processing has already been done and the cost has been paid, the MINOR processing can be done by me, or you, and is as simple as lighting a fire.

The Gasifier Energy Conversion Valve is incredibly important. Nearly all of you will instantly recognise the components and will realise that it is going to work. The one question mark with it for me is will the heat destroy the permanent magnetic field of the Neodymium Magnet ? It might, if it goes over 350 C and your using a 350 C magnet but I don't care about that... you know why ?

The only reason I designed it with a voice coil actuator is because it is incredibly easy to adapt to the design, an actual production model will probably use a solenoid actuator instead. So it's not a problem. Everything else about the valve works to standard principles that are known to be fact, there is no real theoretical R&D to do with it. It is going to work.

What this means is that I have a reliable prime mover for my turbine, the one thing I could not be sure about until the Linear Firing Valve is proven or not. I also do not have to worry about overunity or not, the fuel is paid for and I am getting it for free, and there is a hell of a lot of it.

This is WHY I AM SO EXCITED!

The one remaining question we have is will we be able to detonate the atomised water / plastic gas mix reliably ?

I don't know yet, and neither do you until you have built a GECV and tested it.

However what I do know is that we can harvest sunlight and turn that into HHO. HHO is a primary explosive and is very easy to detonate, hence all the frequent warnings to be extremely careful!

The reason I gave you the design for the Water / Oil / HHO Injector Mk3 is because you can add a primary explosive to the mix just before mixing and injection to the chamber. Combine this with a Multi Spark Buzz Coil and you have a reliable ignition, which will then detonate the water / oil mix and give us our working fluid.

We already have the ideal ship to mount all this technology on. Cargo ships that carry Intermodal Containers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_Container

Adapt the ship to distil seawater and use that pure water as part of our working fluid, so as to prevent pumping salt and other impurities through our turbines. Equip the ship with many turbine generators that provide all the power we need to power the process the system needs to perform.

Equip the ship with huge melting pots that first process the plastic at 100 C, this will mean that all of the low melt plastics will turn to liquid and the high melt plastics will remain solid. This low melt  liquid is then tapped off from the bottom of the still and shaped into small pellets which are then allowed to cool and stored in the ISO containers.

The high melt plastics that remain are used to provide the fuel for the entire process and power the ship.

When the ISO containers are full the ship raises it's anker and sails off to a cargo port to unload and deliver the PRODUCT. The low melt plastic pellets that are used to fuel the electric cars run by the same technology. A new ship replaces it and the process continues uninterrupted.

Have a read of these three links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Garbage_Patch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_Garbage_Patch

Important points to note:

As the plastic flotsam photodegrades into smaller and smaller pieces, it concentrates in the upper water column. As it disintegrates, the plastic ultimately becomes small enough to be ingested by aquatic organisms which reside near the ocean's surface. Plastic waste thus enters the food chain through its concentration in the neuston. Some plastics decompose within a year of entering the water, leaching potentially toxic chemicals such as bisphenol A, PCBs and derivatives of polystyrene.

Density of plastics through water column

Charles Moore has estimated the mass of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch at 100 million tons.

So, there is a lot of it, and it is nearly all near the surface. This means we can collect it relatively easily! Great news!!

So who is going to help me get this done ?

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 11, 2011, 09:35:37 PM
RM
As you know ........I love your ideas!! And knowing that Real science backs up most of them,thats even greater!

I want to explore the Fuelcycle end of this "plastic to fuel",as I posted in the link. Jetjis at Energetic is all over this in Latvia.

I have approached A few Chums and we will be building a unit completely open Source!

And once we have fuel to play with I plan on puttin a few Screws to the Goose for this
EGoose Quote:

" I know running ICE on near 100% water catalyst is possible and what you wish to accomplish is grand also."

I Have a dream.....................

If we build it they will come!!
Chet

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 11, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Hi Chet,

Ok. You have always been nice to me and your desire to learn and help is demonstrably genuine so I have decided I am going to help you, free of charge. Hopefully this information will save you time and energy and allow you to focus your intention.

EGoose Quote:

" I know running ICE on near 100% water catalyst is possible and what you wish to accomplish is grand also."

I will deal with the second part of this quote first. I interpret this as Mr Goose understanding that I have tried to develop a HHO powered turbine. He knows how hard this is to do and that only NASA  and maybe a few of the big aerospace corporations have attempted to do this. This was his way of saying “good effort RM” in my opinion.

The first of the quote is a little more complicated...

There seems to be a conditioned mindset rampant that thinks liquid fuel is best. Best for storage, best for burning. This is flawed on quite a few levels.

What we are interested in is the energetic state of the material. When we think of water as a liquid it is inert right ? When we split it into it's base components of 2H and 1O it becomes a primary explosive.

Now lets think about petrol, in its liquid state it burns, if you have a barrel of it sitting around covered and then you take the cover off and carelessly flick your cigarette butt into it then it explodes and you shit yourself, if you live...

This is the difference in energy states... you guys all really need to understand this and quick or your going to waste your resources and time very efficiently!

When we are talking about converting plastic into fuel liquid is a transitional stage, it is not a desirable end product to then use. What does this mean ?

It means that in order to convert plastic to fuel we must heat it so it melts, this then turns to liquid. You CANNOT store this liquid unless you continually add energy to keep it in the temperature range that it exists as liquid. As soon as you remove the heat source by taking it off the burner and placing it into your garage it begins to cool and turns SOLID.

This works to our advantage because in order to utilise it as fuel we only need to add heat and it emits GAS... which is the most ENERGETIC STATE of this material, and the most useful to us. Anyone planning to use liquid plastic (OIL) as fuel is wasting energy.

Now I want you to read this page:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28physics%29

You thought you had a pretty good grasp on what Power was right ? Still think that after reading that link ??

Here is a key excerpt from that incredibly important page...


"Differentiating by time gives that the instantaneous power is equal to the force times the object's velocity v(t):

This formula is important in characterizing engines—the power output of an engine is equal to the force it exerts multiplied by its velocity." (Look for the formula on the page it will not let me copy it)

I will simplify that page for you:

Power = Force X Time

Therefore:

Power = Force X Velocity

Because Power is the rate at which work is done...

Liquid is oh so slow... Gas is oh so fast...

Forget liquid, embrace gas for detonation, and solids for storage... the liquid stage can be almost completely removed if you get the temperature of your “reactor” right!

Hope that helps, any questions let me know and I will help you if I can

RM :)



Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 12, 2011, 02:14:42 AM
RM

MY POINTS EXACTLY AND BEAUTIFULLY STATED!!

Liquid  = slow burning, wasteful, polluting.
Gas = Fast, clean, efficient.

LIQUIDS for STORING (view it as condensed fuel), GAS for 'burning'.

This has been what I have been trying to get across to you fellas no matter which route you take.  Even a rudimentary water/gasoline bubbler (the simplest fuel saver of them all) which you can test on a lawn mower or small gen, 'fumes' (essentially gasifying) the fuel.  There is no real catalytic process happening without adding a converter but its a START in your massive stakes to save energy.

This is the beauty of water.  You have one litre of 'condensed' benign liquid unable to burn or cause harm in its storage state in which the gasses alone can be expanded out many fold.  CATALYTIC cracking is the key to smashing water without vast sums of electrical energy.

@ The One - Sounds like you should start with a simple fuel saver device rather than go to the trouble of RM's plastic gasifier for now.  If you have an old carburretor engine, I suggest the gasoline/water bubbler which would IMMEDIATELY save you 30 - 40% without any heartache or a lot of mucking around in the garage.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 12, 2011, 02:48:17 AM
Fellows,
I'm going to go back over this thread and study a bit! Just for clarity ,I never intended to use the "product {liquid] In a standard fashion,Just as a baseline .............

One other thing ,I do intend to use it to heat homes ,obviously if the "Gas" is more efficient at doing this {by a significant margin] Than Gas it will be,and likewise for the ICE.

Steering me in the right direction from the get go is very important,Determining the power needs of the ICE or the BTU requirements of the Heater would help to establish if on demand is feasible?[can the gas be generated fast enough,or can it be modified to be more efficient [Ala Goose?]]

Storage has its benefits and if the raw fuel can be "enhanced"??
Also fitting into an existing liquid fuel infrastructure with a fairly docile fuel does have its advantages,but I must concede, not at the expense of efficiency!

Gotta Study here
Thanks fellahs
Chet

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 12, 2011, 02:57:58 AM
Hi Everyone,

I think I need to apologise to Mr Goose, I have opened a big can of worms here and this is just what you did not want in this thread...

Here are 3 links that pretty well sum up what I was trying to tell you before:

http://juliediamond.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/force-x-distancetime-power/

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080713070258AAUNzl8

http://www.physics.ucla.edu/k-6connection/forwpsa.htm

The last link is an educational resource that asks questions and gets you thinking about the concepts, the first two are more a discussion between people about power and so I have reproduced the comments below:

You got me thinking about pwer equations.

Power is the rate at which work is done, or the rate at which energy is used transferred.

work done = force x distance

power = work done / time taken

If work is being done by a machine moving at speed v against a constant force, or resistance, F, then since work done is force times distance, work done per second is Fv, which is the same as power. P = Fv

speed = distance / time
Power = force x speed

Power = Voltage x Current

Then of course you can add in resistance … !

Outside of physics, all of these formulas seem applicable to psychological processes.

Interesting stuff !
- Jude

=====

Power = Force times Velocity? Really?
Ok, "we can also express the rate at which a force does work on a particle in terms of that force and the particle's velocity".

I'm trying to "see it" conceptually. My primary visualization is that I imagine an x-y coordinate system, x axis is displacement, y is force.

Now I "turn on" the x-axis like a treadmill, and set the treadmill to "5 meters per second" and the x-axis starts going left (i.e. 5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, etc...)

Now I "look" at the x-y coordinate system, and draw the Force function onto the graph as if the treadmill were switched off, between the limits of integration.

Now I sorta "visualize" what the result would be if I drew the graph while the X-axis was sliding (treadmill on) but I thought it was off (no sliding).

As a matter of fact, it would be a perfect "stretching" and the effect of the treadmill on the force*distance, is the effect of replacing displacement with velocity in the P=F*V equation! I think I got it!

Additional Details
yeah, all I did was change the reference frame. Instead of the particle having velocity, I decided to give my coordinate system some velocity, and define the particle to be motionless.

=====

That visualization seems way too complicated...(but OK if it works for you).

The way I visualize it is to imagine a force acting on a particle for a particular amount of time--say 1 second.

The work done on the particle is Force × the distance it moved.

Power is work/time, so that is:
P = (force × distance) / time

But that's the same as:
P = force × (distance / time)

And since (distance / time) = speed,
P = force × speed

=====

You are overcomplicating it.

Remember that power is a rate of flow, like gallons per minute.
Power is the rate that energy flows, or is used or is generated.

Energy or work is force x distance.

The rate energy is used (power) is energy/time, or force x distance/time.

distance/time is velocity, which leaves Power = F x V

=====

I know that the formulas as they stand contradict my statement that Force = Power X Time, however speed, distance and time are intimately related and from this arises velocity which is a rate of change same as time is.

What I was trying to say is that a gas allows for a much higher release of energy than liquid over the same time. I tend to think of Velocity and Time as the same thing which is a rate of change over a distance, but it depends on your reference point.

Ok, no more of this, I will stick to the hardware from now on. It was an error to bring this up here. I am now reminded of my favourite quote by Tesla:

"The mind seeks to complicate, so simplify"

RM :)



Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 12, 2011, 03:34:12 AM
Hey Mr Goose,

Just as I finished telling myself to stop going off on these tangents, or at least if you do keep them to yourself, I had a thought...

Evaporation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporation

Key points:

Factors influencing the rate of evaporation

Concentration of the substance evaporating in the air


    If the air already has a high concentration of the substance evaporating, then the given substance will evaporate more slowly.

Concentration of other substances in the air

    If the air is already saturated with other substances, it can have a lower capacity for the substance evaporating.

Concentration of other substances in the liquid (impurities)

    If the liquid contains other substances, it will have a lower capacity for evaporation.

Flow rate of air


    This is in part related to the concentration points above. If fresh air is moving over the substance all the time, then the concentration of the substance in the air is less likely to go up with time, thus encouraging faster evaporation. This is the result of the boundary layer at the evaporation surface decreasing with flow velocity, decreasing the diffusion distance in the stagnant layer.

Inter-molecular forces


    The stronger the forces keeping the molecules together in the liquid state, the more energy one must get to escape. This is characterized by the enthalpy of vaporization.

Pressure

    Evaporation happens faster if there is less exertion on the surface keeping the molecules from launching themselves.

Surface area

    A substance that has a larger surface area will evaporate faster, as there are more surface molecules that are able to escape.

Temperature of the substance

    If the substance is hotter, then its molecules have a higher average kinetic energy, and evaporation will be faster.

Density

    The higher the density the slower a liquid evaporates.

Now stay with me here...

It is the few layers of water molecules at the top that evaporate, so, if we had a shallow flat container with a large upper surface area then more water could evaporate.

If we had an air input to the tank from just behind the air filter we could tap some atmosphere sucked in via the engine vacuum and divert it through the evaporator.

The outlet from the evaporator would go to the air intake nearest the engine.

This would mean that cold air would be constantly flowing over the surface of the evaporator water level. This air would also be non saturated due to it being atmospheric and at the outside humidity level.

If we were also to tap the waste engine heat from the radiator system we would add energy to the evaporator water, just making sure that it did not boil. 90 C might be good.

How much fuel saving would we get from this ?

Has this been tried before ?

If we combined this with a gas bubbler could we get over 50% fuel saving for ZERO energy cost ?

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 12, 2011, 06:14:06 AM
RM

Whoa ...steady there big fella.  I love that you and Chet are thinkers...this is a good thing but too much of it can be counter productive.  Why doesnt anything much get accomplished at forums?  Because people SPECULATE and crunch numbers all day, running spice programs and discussing until the cows vomit why it MIGHT or might not work.  Don't get me wrong...I dont think this is what you are doing but you are at danger of being your own worst enemy.  Time is always money.

You know where I have made my best discoveries?  Thinking it out??  Nah!!!  The best dscoveries are made AFTER you have speculated on a theory for a SHORT period, then ROUGH out a plan of attack, THEN you head to the workbench and start on it.  THIS is where the likes of electricity, radium, explosives, and all the cool stuff was made...in the filthy workshop with your hands!!

Years ago I knew nothing about circuits and electronics and for the most part, whilst reading educates you, its no good if that material is flawed.  I started making circuits and ignoring all the rules and only THEN did I draw my schematic NOT the other way around. 

Don't get caught in the trap of thinking you have to get some design 100% right on paper first and then think you are going to go and manufacture only one.  Yes...it is true...Destiny loves preparation and therefore planning is a must but dont become bogged down my friend. 

You know Dyson the vacuum cleaner guy??  He had a great idea and was VERY clear about the design but it took him 5000 prototypes before it went to market.  If he had attempted to figure it on paper, we would be still waiting for the worlds best vaccuum cleaner.  Also - -KEEP IT SIMPLE.

Regarding your last post....all relevent points the answers to most of which I have. Saturation of air and vapor?  Yes...but you are now forgetting thigs like, what is the rate of demand on the fuel device?  Is there a vacuum?  Will the vacuum actually enhance evaporation (yes!!!).  You mentioned engine heat to enhance vapor off the water surface.  I can tell you this and cut your areas of time wasting - Raising the vapor temp (of water) will reduce its effectiveness within the engine combustion zone.  The colder the vapor and the smaller it is the better.  Dont forget...POLES OF BATTERY!

  Its really your journey though and discoveries you will only find when your hand touches metal in the workshop.  By all means write here what you want but lets try not have this thread become another Kapanadze debacle where 500 pages later they are still chasing their tail and have no idea what is up or down!!!  LOL

We started on page 1 KNOWING what will cut your fuel bill by 50% minimum....I suggested 2-3 things and we have since then built off that.  Now construct!!!

All the best

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 12, 2011, 06:35:18 AM
OK

Time to get you guys focussed again.  :D

In Thailand they are doing some fantastic things and running TRUCKS and cars on gasifiers.  Heres a YT video -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzxuZOzgbLY&feature=related

Here is a SIMPLE outline of a self sustained gasifier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rljxtJkJXxA&feature=related

Now make it better.  This is only 1 possibility of alternate fuel!

Check out this baby, they have installed a 10KW normal fuel engine/generator with a Gasifier all on a pallet....this means you can shift the whole thing easily if you need to move from your home.  Still very small for 10KW!!!  Enough to power your small home.  See how TINY amount of fuel (syringe of diesel) make a HUGE amount of gas with the gasifier!!  The efficiency of gasifiers is through the roof.  In reality you could have this Gen out the back of your place (buried to dampen noise or great for rural) and with the amount of garbage we as humans produce, you would probably have plenty of fuel from your own waste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db2lNvG9xlg&feature=related

Here is another guy that gives you a ste by step on how to make a tar free gasifier....the welds made me laugh but kudos to him for the job and doing it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7M2DKX7kGA&feature=related

Here are what they call biochar gasifiers.  Campers use them.  Instead of burning timber quickly in open air that is SOOOO inefficient and gone in a second, you utilize a small amount of wood that combines with oxy and creates gas to focus heat like a stove.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq3FeciMfEc&feature=related




Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 12, 2011, 01:04:24 PM
Hey Goose,

That's all really great stuff. I can already see in my head a gasifier powered boundary layer turbine and the GECV is going to make that possible, I am confident of that.

A turbine generator is going to be much smaller than the 10kW ICE you linked too, and more efficient, so that's great news!

I have recently moved and for the first time have a garage to use as a workshop but I am not going to be building anything substantial for quite a while. This is very frustrating! I have both a laser cutting shop and a hydraulic shop a few minutes down the road but no money to get the parts and limited tooling. The universe is teasing me! So speculation and designs are all I can do at the moment.

I am going to do some thinking on how to miniaturise the reactor, the ones on youtube are way to big for my liking. I am very excited by this technology and I think I can do a lot with it given a little time to understand what I want to achieve.

One idea that has occurred to me is to convert a Kelly Kettle to a gasifier. I have the 3 Pint Stainless Steel version in the garage so that is something I can work on. Not quite sure the best way to do it yet though. Once I have a good conversion then the option to miniaturise that is there because the SS Kelly Kettle can be got in a smaller 1 Pint Size!  ;D

http://www.kellykettle.com/vmchk/Kelly-Kettles.html?TreeId=1

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 12, 2011, 01:30:09 PM
RM

I know youre keen on recycling plastics and all but are you aware that you can only recycle SOME plastics with a gasifier?  Others have very corrosive elements in them that will catalyse inside the gasifier and corrode even stainless.

Just letting you know.

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 12, 2011, 01:36:00 PM
Thanks Mr Goose,

I was not aware of that, this is early days for me with these concepts and as usual I work at full speed, then address problems as they arise.

Plastics corroding the stainless is bad news. Maybe it can be solved with an alloy of some sort that will not corrode?

How about a ceramic reactor ? that should handle the heat no problem and not corrode...

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 12, 2011, 02:10:00 PM
Thanks Mr Goose,

I was not aware of that, this is early days for me with these concepts and as usual I work at full speed, then address problems as they arise.

Plastics corroding the stainless is bad news. Maybe it can be solved with an alloy of some sort that will not corrode?

How about a ceramic reactor ? that should handle the heat no problem and not corrode...

RM :)

RM

You REALLY are getting ahead of yourself.  Your chemistry is obviously not up to scratch.  Many plastics are synthesized from a nasty chemical cocktail.  Its all about what happens inside the reactor (CATALYTIC conversion).

The appropriate heavy oil based plastics (rich in carbon compounds) will mix with the H20 and crack into syngas, with the solids settling to the base.  With some nasty plastics you have chlorides and acidic components that would eat anything.  It's not so much whether you chose a vessel that will survive it....but what about your engine/turbine and all the components (pipes) channeling the gas???

On top of that, the gas will be toxic and may not even burn.

Slow down...research some more.  Gasifier yes....but what is your fuel.

Best
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 12, 2011, 02:25:55 PM
Good points Mr Goose. Chemistry never was my strong point. I will think about that some more thanks for pointing it out.

On another note I have put up a section view of the Kelly Kettle, this is what I have to work with. I have some pipe and can thread it to custom length and I think I have enough fittings in the garage to make some pipework.

So, any ideas how I could easily convert it to a Gasifier ?

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 12, 2011, 02:39:46 PM
Good points Mr Goose. Chemistry never was my strong point. I will think about that some more thanks for pointing it out.

On another note I have put up a section view of the Kelly Kettle, this is what I have to work with. I have some pipe and can thread it to custom length and I think I have enough fittings in the garage to make some pipework.

So, any ideas how I could easily convert it to a Gasifier ?

RM :)

Sure...and after that you want me to weld one up and send it over to ya??  :D

Cmon man...Im already spending far too much time here.  Did you watch the youtube video where the guy makes the big tar free gasifier?  Its all in pictures step by step.  You would just shrink it down in size for the kelly kettle.

Dont use aluminium for the vessel though....that looks like ally to me.

Loads of Gasifier info on the web.  Read Read Read.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 12, 2011, 03:01:02 PM
Sure...and after that you want me to weld one up and send it over to ya??  :D

Cmon man...Im already spending far too much time here.  Did you watch the youtube video where the guy makes the big tar free gasifier?  Its all in pictures step by step.  You would just shrink it down in size for the kelly kettle.

Dont use aluminium for the vessel though....that looks like ally to me.

Loads of Gasifier info on the web.  Read Read Read.

No thanks Mr Goose, I am perfectly capable of building it myself, even without a full workshop. I will just improvise.

Yes I watched the video and have my own ideas on how I will do it, I just wanted to know what you thought. It also helps other people who might want to try a Kelly Kettle conversion themselves.

I of course will not use aluminium, I will use Stainless Steel, the picture is just of an aluminium version. I did say the SS versions of the Kelly Kettle are available in two sizes and linked to the manufacturer's page. Read Read Read  :D

RM :)

P.S. here is a stainless picture to keep you happy  ::)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: Johan_1955 on May 12, 2011, 05:20:35 PM
Emulsified Fuel in action: http://www.youtube.com/user/OostromTechnicsSL

Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 12, 2011, 05:25:18 PM
Emulsified Fuel in action: http://www.youtube.com/user/OostromTechnicsSL

Regards, Johan

Great post Johan!  Thanks for your input. 

40% and 50% saving from emulsified fuel people.  Thats what its all about.  Those Diesels arent fussy.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 13, 2011, 12:40:06 AM
Some interesting information:

FEMA simple gasifier unit plans:

http://www.windmeadow.com/files/fema_wood_gas_generator.pdf

Simple wood gasifier:

http://www.windmeadow.com/node/46

Gasifier Experimenters Kit:

http://www.gekgasifier.com/

RM :)

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 13, 2011, 12:54:56 PM
Hello Everyone,

I have started to look at possible methods for Kelly Kettle conversions to Gasification Reactors and the news is good :)

I have put up some diagrams of some of the directions you can go with these conversions.

The steam chamber that is built into the wall of the Kettle is a bonus, but just be careful to take all necessary safety precautions, like pressure relief valves and gauges etc before you seal it or it might EXPLODE. You have been warned!

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 13, 2011, 03:57:10 PM
Hi Everyone,

I was shopping in ASDA today and picked up one of these:

http://direct.asda.com/ASDA-Potato-Ricer/001420063,default,pd.html

It has dimensions of 102mm wide and 69mm deep and fits the interior of the Kelly Kettle perfectly.

With the fire base inverted a very good seal is formed as the kettle is designed to be stored like this. The seal was so good after being stored like that it was really hard to separate from the Kettle.

You also get a very handy handle that I will be using to shake the basket. I was thinking of spring loading the handle in the up position to keep the basket jammed up against the chimney taper.

Rig up some threaded rod to connect the handle and basket and that should do the trick nicely :)

I am now well on my way to my first downdraft mini gasifier  ;D

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 13, 2011, 05:48:55 PM
RM
Which Plastic will you be Brewing?
Thanks
Chet
PS
Mr.Goose
 Catalyst ??
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10722.0
I see many things in his Paper that look OH so familiar?
PPS
Who's "Bowser" And Why don't we like him??
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 13, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
Hi Chet,

I am not going to be brewing any plastic at all to start with. I am going to start with wood chips and make some Syngas :) Here's why:

http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy00osti/27983.pdf

In the section "How does the Gasifier Work ?" it says this:

"The Vermont project demonstrates a process called lowpressure, indirect gasification of biomass. The process mixes wood chips with very hot sand at a temperature of about 830°C, or 1500°F, in a steel tank called a gasifier. The hot sand breaks down the wood and, helped by added steam, causes the resulting carbon, hydrogen, and
oxygen to form into combustible gases. The gases and sand leave the gasifier and the gas is cleaned for use as fuel. (See diagram above.) This fuel burns cleanly with a heat content of about 500 Btu per cubic foot (about half the heat content of natural gas), which qualifies it as a medium-heat content gas. This gas can be used directly in unmodified gas turbines. However, McNeil burned the gas in its wood-fired boiler during the startup and evaluation periods."

Remember when I said the Linear Firing Valve was designed by me to utilise any amount of HHO produced ? Well, The GECV is an adaptation of the LFV and so will allow me to utilise any amount of Syngas produced.

I am working right now on a design for a mini turbine to go with the mini gasifier and I will hopefully put it up here for you later tonight. The GECV along with the Mk3 Injector (running in mechanical only mode because the fluid efficiency of the insert will be negatively impacted by pitting) will allow me to use a Syngas / Atomised Water / HHO from a Dry Cell mix to directly drive the mini turbine. Then I run a PMA from the output shaft using a pulley as a dry slip friction clutch to prevent the turbine stalling.

Once I have got it all running and tested and I will look at self looping the mini Gasifier and see if there is any Syngas left to run the mini turbine.

So quite a lot on my plate to take plastic on at the moment. Besides I think in order to utilise plastic effectively there will need to be a two stage process. A first processing stage in a large reactor like Jetijs is doing, that produces an oil fuel, that I can inject into the Reactor design of kelly kettle, because the liquid fuel will be easy to refill without taking the Reactor apart and is also a very dense form of energy storage that will produce a lot of gas volume for very little liquid volume.

I have not started on working out the plumbing fittings yet to tap the Syngas out of the bottom of the mini gasifier. And I still need to learn more about the Gasifiers in general as I am a newbie to all this.

So, the Syngas is doable for me as I already have a Kelly Kettle, and the turbine design is nearly finished. Seems a sensible place to start as has been pointed out my chemistry is not up to scratch for plastic... yet ;)

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 13, 2011, 06:22:03 PM
RM
I just Like you More and more all the time!
Very cool Concept!
Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 13, 2011, 10:34:55 PM
Hi Everyone,

A new simplified Mini Turbine design for use with a Syngas Gasifier. The diagrams are pretty standard with a few important changes.

When I say Mini Turbine it will still be reasonably substantial, with a 9 to 10 Inch diameter disc stack, to maximise the time component for working fluid interaction.

Probably best to go with Ken Riely's Winglet design as this is proven as the highest performing boundary layer turbine currently known.

The Central Ring Housing Plates are quite radical in design and are cut from a thick plate of 316 Stainless Steel by Waterjet. This saves you having to source a ring of suitable material and dimensions. The thickness of the plate chosen must equal the sum of the clearances between the side plates and discs, the clearance between the discs, and the thickness of the discs.

Check what angle the Waterjet cuts at, if it is not zero degrees then there will be a slight taper to the ring that will be undesirable and impact efficiency. This can be removed by routing if you have that facility and make an exact template.

The part I have marked A on the Central Ring Housing Plates would normally be thrown away as scrap, however keep it. This should be drilled and reamed smooth through its length with the same diameter as the OD of the parallel flow tube pipe. The parallel flow tube is then hammered in interference fit with some high temperature Loctite or other sealant and then ground to the shape of the ring.

The part marked A is then welded into the Central Ring Housing Plates and the pipe can be threaded to mount the GECV. Be careful when welding as the part that touches the side plates either side must be milled perfectly flat. If you grind the weld flat it will not be even and will allow pressure to bleed. Mill it or do not weld it at all, at least then the side plates will still mount perfectly flush.

If you ask the Waterjet people to cut the ring separately first, and you ordered two sets then you will have 2 very heavy discs for prototyping another turbine at a future date (add any holes you will want to the design now or you will have to drill them later). Make sure you check with the programmer where he is going to start the cut as the jet will “cut in” to locate before beginning to cut the ring, you do not want this “cut in” on the ring itself or you will ruin your efficiency.

When the turbine is finally bolted together apply a ring of suitable sealant or ceramic paper might work as mentioned in the HHO PCT thread, but unknown at this time if it is effective and it might not handle water very well.

The part marked B is to make a suitable round hole for the rotor mount bolts and also to allow the exhaust fluid to escape. This would normally be thrown away as scrap also but keep it and add rotor mount bolt holes to the design (which must be cut first before the ring) and it becomes the deflection ring to protect your hub and bearings.

Not a single bit of any of the material is wasted so take it all home! :)

Before deciding if a 2 disc turbine is right for you read reply #10 in the link below and then factor in the difficulty of manufacture more discs in the stack and housing requires:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10274.0

Any questions just ask...

RM :)

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 14, 2011, 01:31:06 AM
OK...

I have had enough...

Time to stop fucking about...

Watch this:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/time-team/4od/player/2928283

Then read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_carbon

Then read this:

http://tu-dresden.de/die_tu_dresden/fakultaeten/fakultaet_maschinenwesen/iet/vws/Veroeffentlichungen/Beckmann_90-07/Be-70.pdf

Then read this:

http://www.ratical.org/renewables/hempseed1.html

Then watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

Then read this:

http://phoenixtears.ca/

Then realise that you can make your own Syngas reactor out of clay in your back garden, that adds carbon content.

The fuel is Hemp waste and the Reactor itself, a ceramic.

You have grown the HIGH THC version and stripped the seeds to eat and keep you healthy.

http://www.cannabis-seeds.co.uk/

You have stripped the oil from the plant to cure your diseases.

http://current.com/news/89799784_marijuana-cuts-lung-cancer-tumor-growth-in-half-harvard-study-shows.htm

You have used the Biomass to make food to stop you going hungry.

You have stripped the fibres from the stalk to make every product that you currently get from oil.

The waste goes into your reactor to make fuel.

A perfect marriage of Iron age / Medieval technology to produce the fuel... and modern technology to utilise it efficiently.

You all getting the point ?

RM :)

And remember this:

Your enemy wears your face, wears your clothes, speaks your language. You identify them by their actions. If they attempt to deprive you of your universal given right to life by deception, coercion or force. They have no rights.

We are all terminal...

Act accordingly...

RM :)

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 14, 2011, 04:18:40 AM
RM
Which Plastic will you be Brewing?
Thanks
Chet
PS
Mr.Goose
 Catalyst ??
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10722.0
I see many things in his Paper that look OH so familiar?
PPS
Who's "Bowser" And Why don't we like him??

Chet, good stuff mate.  I was hoping one of you guys would spot the article and make the link.  CATALYTIC people....NOT electrolytic cracking of water!!!  Electrolytic will always have you WAY behind and you will never catch up in the energy stakes.  CATALYTIC cracking you can take other elements and via the 'atomic' process use the energy that each element contain to dance a merry entanglement with each other. 

Let me ask you this...you are faced with a big iron door and behind it is a treasure.  IF this door is 5 inches thick of solid steel and you only have a sledge hammer and a strong arm, given time (a lot of time) through hammering (resonance) you can smash your way through.  If that is your only task, it might take you weeks, it might take you years but you will get there.  HOWEVER, you have burned an immense amount of energy to do so right?!  This is what electrolysis is like.  Wasteful and hopeless.  NOW, imagine the door has a lock....YES this is a very strong one, the LAWS that bind the atoms together and govern the energetics of the universe for each element are strong.  However, for each of these locks is a key that makes the task so much simpler.  Given the correct key (or fiddling the lock under certain circumstances), these elements glide together 'interfacing' and then open up to form a new product (like syngas).  The end result is less work....more energy.  This is a simple way of looking at the catalytic process.  There are still other methods outside of this.

Will I be gasifiying plastic??  I doubt it.  All that matters is what YOU decide to do Chet.  I have my path which I am already on and you have yours to take.

Bowser?  You Americans don't know this term I didnt realise?  Another word for fuel pump.
-----------------------
bow·ser
(bou-zer)

 - noun Australian and New Zealand
a gasoline pump at a filling station.

Origin:
1930–35;  said to be after S.F. Bowser  and Co., a Sydney manufacturer of gasoline and oil storage systems
---------------------

Just like the Americans calling a Refridgerator a 'Westinghouse' or a Vacuum Cleaner a 'Hoover' I guess.

@RM - You seem to be getting fired up mate LOL.  Yes Hemp is a great product with loads of uses.

Best
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 14, 2011, 12:03:54 PM
Haha yes I was fired up last night, been having a drink with friends discussing the deliberate genocide of the worlds children. If there is a subject to fire me up, that's it. I know I should not post after a few but hey... times a ticking.

The point was about the furnace.

The Time Team episode showed the iron age technology of a fire in a pit, and the medieval technology of a furnace for firing pots. They also showed the simple process of making one.

The clay furnace can be made to any design very simply. All pipes and chambers are just voids in the clay and you can control the temperature.

If we can come up with a simple design to make a furnace that instead of making bricks makes gas, then no exotic material will be required to make a reactor, and everyone can have one, even the poor.

Effectively it would mean anyone could build a miniature power station in the back garden to provide fuel for the house.

Hemp is a great product and it grows very fast, they do not call it a weed for nothing. The food and health benefits are the bonus. If your going to grow anything for fuel then you might as well grow that.

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 14, 2011, 03:46:31 PM
Mr. Goose
Chester's still in school!,And I don't like Banging my head against that door!
Just Like RM I like HHO,and just as RM is refining a new "Harvest" Technique
with his Turbine,I feel that HH0 will ultimately be a good fuel for our planet!
  In studying the Plastic to fuel I see Dioxin being talked about ,This is troubling, unless The Plastic can definately be identified always as "safe to proccess".
I could "Never" start down a road that Poisons the planet!
Still Studying..................
Thanks Fellows
Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 14, 2011, 05:24:40 PM
Hey Chet,

I was musing on what you said about HHO in your last reply and I had an interesting thought.

Think about how a bullet works. A primary explosive is inside the primer cap which is struck by the firing pin and this explosive then explodes, setting off the main less sensitive charge inside the casing.

If we were to use HHO as the primary explosive as has already been suggested and we were to pre mix this with atomised water just before injection to the chamber then one of two things will happen.

Either the HHO detonation will cause the atomised water to then detonate also, or, the atomised water will not detonate but will instantly vaporise and turn to steam.

Both of these possibilities will create a pressure wave that then has to force it's way through the water already in the turbine supplied by the K valve.

So we could end up with a 100% water powered turbine that only has very small energy needs to run.

Small amounts of HHO provide the primer to detonate and the gas expansion from either atomised water detonation or atomised water vaporisation provides the main impulse working fluid.

How's that sound to you ?

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 14, 2011, 06:02:19 PM
RM
Knowing what I do about turbines,Your ideas give me "Goose Bumps"!
It all just Flows.............

It also frustrates me because of what I know about turbines![very hard to play at home]!

Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 14, 2011, 11:43:38 PM
Hi Chet,

I am glad you think the information flows as that tells me I have done a good job in communicating my thoughts.

Hopefully turbines are not so difficult now for people to begin playing with at home, it is the way forward and so a way needed to be found to make that happen.

Your all quite lucky that I have never had much money, this forced me to improvise and work as cheap as possible without compromising safety, in the hope I could afford to build some of my stuff one day. If I had the resources to build whatever I wanted it would all have been custom one off components designed for a specific prototype.

It appears there is method in the universe's madness...

Anyway, I had one of those “how could you be so stupid” moments earlier which has moved things forward quite substantially.

The issue was sealing. When I first started working on the sealing problem for the HHO PCT it was purely a hot rotor running from the LFV. This meant that temperatures were very high and was why I gravitated towards ceramic gaskets.

It was not until after I had done the thinking on the hot rotor sealing that I decided to use the K Valve system to cool the rotor. So when I came to write it all up for you I simply pulled it out of my mind in the order I had worked on it.

The problem was I never went back and looked at sealing again even though I had added water cooling to the engine.

I have now gone back and looked at the issue again while I was working on the Mini Turbine and realised my error.

Syngas is not going to run as hot as HHO, and now the rotor is water cooled as part of the pressure wave buffering concept of the two different working fluids within the rotor. This means we could probably use cork gasket material in exactly the same way as a cork head gasket on an ICE.

http://www.rhnuttall.co.uk/Materials/Cork.html

The beauty of this is that cork provides excellent water tight and air tight capabilities and there is already a massive industry around to provide custom cut gaskets. You can order gaskets in the same way as you order the waterjet cut disks.

I have put up a modified prototype diagram to show you only need two gaskets that seal the ring plates to the side plates when the rotor is compressed.

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 16, 2011, 03:12:31 AM
OK lads, you ready for the next step in your educative evolution?  No puns intended Mr Ape.   :)

So, you are beginning to see that the Catalytic process is the way to go and that one can EASILY achieve beyond 80% fuel efficiency with this method.  However, is this as good as it gets?  Hell no!  There are ways hybridize this proccess so that you dont need to mess with heaters, preheaters, huge gasifying tanks and the like.  You just have to SEE what is going on.  These devices can get so small they fit in the palm of your hand.

Related to Gasifiers are Reformers which produce Hydrogen for use in PEMFC's or (Proton Exchange Membrane Fuel Cells).  There are many ways to 'reform' fuel (cold and hot) with marked differences in efficiency and energy output.

DONT LET THE WORD 'FUEL CELL' AND THOUGHTS OF PLATINUM PLATES ETC SCARE YOU.  For now, we are not focussing on the PEMFC part (where the hydrogen is pushed through fuel cell membrane to produce electrical current) but rather examining the plasma gas reformer which produces the hydrogen efficiently.  If you understand the energy process and how to interface the keys, it is not necessary to buy expensive materials in order to 'produce' energy.

Here is a paper that is VERY EASY reading.  The plasma reformer you can make at home produces Hydrogen and other gases if utilizing ethanol and water.  This is very easy to construct and makes the HHO booster look like a caveman joke (which it is).  Properly tuned, this cell will EASILY run your vehicle at the 60% efficiency stakes.  Build a sizeable one and you are off petroleum entirely and burning only small amounts of ethanol with mainly water.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:huD6vn6QSa8J:pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlepdf/2005/cc10.1039/b412552e+miniature+pemfc+hydrogen+reformer&hl=en&gl=au&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjSFqUgfGmnFSbPaNquyz_UhTaq20BGMmIR_-10TBcddL-bEVZ_N0YVcFOBCKzLP_7mxM4s8t34b4P4nE-sKgKO4508He48ybDFPvWJ16ZR2wUOEKAm0ihhcuGJna7tl8cSMu81&sig=AHIEtbRWqYCp_mWkfHA5KKKKeg8Vb8VSWg

Open your minds people.  Youre still not thinking big enough.

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 16, 2011, 11:43:31 AM
It's ok Mr Goose, you can poke fun at me, I don't mind ;)

The more you learn the less you know...

Very interesting article you put up there, certainly got my attention!

I did a little digging and it appears tow is the keyword we need for finding carbon fibres:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tow

"In the composites industry, a tow is an untwisted bundle of continuous filaments, and it refers to man-made fibres, particularly carbon fibres (also called graphite)."

So now we know what we are looking for we can find this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carbon-Fibre-24K-Tow-20-Metres-Ultra-High-Modulus-/330565005324?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item4cf735b00c

and there is lot's more available on the web:

http://www.microflight.com/Carbon-Tow-6K-6000-strand

http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/Departments/carbon-fibre-tow-tape-unidrectional.aspx

http://www.fibreglast.com/product/24K_Carbon_Tow_2293/156

I was thinking perhaps we could use some heat shrink tubing to compress multiple bundles into a tube:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=heat+shrink+tube&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Seems like I now have an excuse to dust off my 5000V DC power supply for a new application, but not sure yet if it will be appropiate as the Amps are very low. Something for me to think about anyway :)

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 16, 2011, 12:28:41 PM
RM

Certainly not making fun of you mate  ;)

Regarding your HV DC power supply, the 5000VDC should be more than enough to start some testing.  If you have some inductors, and HV caps and a Ignition Coil you can make a spark gap oscillator and beef up the output.

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 16, 2011, 01:07:41 PM
Good advice Mr Goose, Thanks :)

I will have to read up on spark gap oscillators before I can make one, I am not an EE and all my limited knowledge is self taught.

This certainly looks like an experiment that I can do within my budget, with the equipment I already have, so interested in this :)

Things are moving so fast at the moment it is hard to focus.

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 16, 2011, 02:22:39 PM
E Goose,
Very interesting ! I appreciate the direction this takes.
In stead of me just willy nilly searching for more info to study,can you
provide any other reading material or links that would be beneficial in experimenting with this?

Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 16, 2011, 02:45:36 PM
E Goose,
Very interesting ! I appreciate the direction this takes.
In stead of me just willy nilly searching for more info to study,can you
provide any other reading material or links that would be beneficial in experimenting with this?

Thanks
Chet

Chet

Sorry, I don't have anything offhand.  I have done the hard yards long ago and now only distilled my own personal notes.  What I tender to you in way of hefty hints are more than ample for you to piece it together.  You already have enough.

Physics and chemistry isnt actually that complex, it has only been made so by grey bearded old men who have spent too many years in Ivy League institutions listening to their own rhetoric and rewriting the books into lengthy equations that equate to bulldust.

One of the best questions you can ask is what Professor Julius Sumner Miller always hit his TV audience with - "WHY IS IT SO"??

You know what creates HHO = Basic electrolysis (which is inefficient)
You now look at Catatalytic proccess  = CONVERSION (HIGHER efficiency)
I have briefly touched on PLASMA (which nobody seized on) = ??? 

Could there be a magical conversion in a combination of all of this?  Enter the Plasma Reformer!

Try it and see.

I suggest that for the LEP (low energy pulse) you go read Aarons thread at energeticforum and use the plasma sparkplug circuit for the trial.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 16, 2011, 03:53:02 PM
E Goose
Quote,
I have briefly touched on PLASMA (which nobody seized on)
---------------
Yes I did not understand that Brief Plasma /Fuel reference?
And how the gains could happen?
Was the fuel in a manifold [tube] around the plasma?,Or visa versa ?
Or in direct contact some how :o?

Things to ponder and understand if we are truly going to get away from the "bowser"!

Thanks for all your help and your patience !

Chet
Studying................

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 16, 2011, 04:06:20 PM
Hi Everyone,

It is now time to tell you about this...

I originally designed this concept years ago before the HELT but at that point I had not even thought of the LFV and so it was shelved in pursuit of other directions.

Those directions eventually led me to the LFV, which have since led to the GECV courtesy of Mr Goose's excellent input.

The Housingless Rocket Turbine is a ring with mini rocket engines mounted on them that then drive the ring through pulsed combustion. You can consider it the same as a tethered rocket engine spinning in a circle.

Now that we know about catalytic cracking and can use a device to do it that does not require additional hardware such as pumps this idea is now viable again. It was originally designed for HHO but I have adapted it because HHO is just too hard to implement at present time.

This design releases the constraints of limited potential difference from the pivot as the support ring can be built light and strong with modern carbon fibre composites and carries no heat. This creates a much larger turning moment torque than with traditional turbine designs.

The mini rockets contain their own power supply and fuel and pump via capillary action. They are then pulse detonated with an ECV variant.

The Rocket Ring will work on its own but can be enhanced with a secondary Impulse Ring that the Rocket ring pushes against, instead of air.

The Impulse ring has an intake and a vent and inside is baffled following RotoMax concepts for conversion of energy to impulse and then back to velocity.

The rings spin in opposite directions to each other.

The load on both rings is controlled via the PMA's independently.

Enjoy :)

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 16, 2011, 06:18:20 PM
RM
Who doesn't love Rockets?,What kind of efficiency can we expect?
I know you can make this work!
Talk about Simple!!,Power to weight must be rediculous!!
Plasma drive rocket motor !!
Why Not??
More Please..................

Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 16, 2011, 07:50:27 PM
Hi Chet,

I thought you would like that ;)

Ok...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque

“The magnitude of torque depends on three quantities: the force applied, the length of the lever arm connecting the axis to the point of force application, and the angle between the force vector and the lever arm. “

“The length of the lever arm is particularly important; choosing this length appropriately lies behind the operation of levers, pulleys, gears, and most other simple machines involving a mechanical advantage.”

“A force applied at a right angle to a lever multiplied by its distance from the lever's fulcrum (the length of the lever arm) is its torque. A force of three newtons applied two metres from the fulcrum, for example, exerts the same torque as a force of one newton applied six metres from the fulcrum.”

There are three selective quotes from that Wikipedia page I linked to above. So we can see that the length of the lever arm is particularly important. This is why Tesla went so big with his discs, he was trying to maximise the turning moment (and also the time component), or torque.

We know the problems we have with large discs tearing themselves apart due to the speed differential which the discs radii are turning at, and because centrifugal force applies a tensile force that also wants to tear the material apart. So it is being pulled apart in different planes and so must be very strong to withstand this.

This was the reason I went to this design, the support frame is just that, a support frame. Each part of it can be designed to absorb the forces it will be undergoing. It can also be made super light out of modern materials.

I was also able to get rid of the turbine housing using this design, because they give me a headache, as housings always do. Boundary layer turbine housings are annoying anyway because you lose pressure due to the inability to seal a static to a rotating without applying a drag force through friction.

So, basically this design allows a fantastic potential power to weight ratio, because we can go so light on the support structure and increase the power by extending the lever. It is going to be limited by how large a diameter you can go and still support the impulse force without critical failure.

I added the Impulse ring on the outside because air is a thin medium and does not push back that hard. So if we have “buckets” to catch the exhaust gases we can use them to propel the Impulse Ring and also provide more of a “repulsion” of the Rocket Ring.

I do not think we would lose much fluid if it was designed right because you would want a relatively large hole to catch the initial pulse, and the baffles get smaller to extract more force from the fluid as it heads round the ring to the exhaust.

Because it is pulse detonated you will have one pressure wave travelling at a faster speed right behind the wave in front that is slowing due to energy being extracted, so it will be hard for the exhaust gas to reverse flow as there is a larger energetic force behind it.

Turbine to PMA losses will be small anyway being on the same shaft.

You can put multiple rings on the same shaft one above the other and create a real monster Rocket Turbine if you wanted because they only act in the horizontal plane.

You can easily cool the outer ring because of its spin which could be tapped to create a vacuum and draw water up an outer casing hollow wall, which would become steam and give you another energy output to use for something else.

So I think the efficiency will be quite high, but I honestly don't know until it is built and tested.

You would want as many Rockets on the ring as possible and you would want the angle of each Rocket to be as close to 90 degrees to the centre pivot as possible, but they must aim into the Impulse Ring.

Do not even think about welding a structure together, the welds will crack, and the thing will pull itself apart. Stainless Hydraulic Fittings at suitable angles and Schedule pipe screwed in would work well I think as a support ring (it does not have to be round), and 1/8” size to keep weight down.

http://www.cotswoldengineeringsupplies.co.uk/Hydraulic%20Adaptors/adaptorsproducts.php?item=BS45FF&inthere=&line=Hydraulic%20Adaptors

http://www.cotswoldengineeringsupplies.co.uk/Hydraulic%20Adaptors/adaptorsproducts.php?item=BP45MM&inthere=&line=Hydraulic%20Adaptors

http://www.cotswoldengineeringsupplies.co.uk/Hydraulic%20Adaptors/adaptorsproducts.php?item=BFFCROSS&inthere=&line=Hydraulic%20Adaptors

45 deg or 135 deg fittings and fixed female crosses would allow you to mount support rings to your rockets and to each other, then you just have to get the length of the pipe right and thread it.

You could use liquid fuel for this design but I was never interested in that for obvious reasons but you can try it if you want too. Once the thing is spinning you can use centrifugal force to get the fluid up to the rocket valves, no pump needed.

Or, my preference is to mount the fuel generator such as we have been discussing recently on the turbine and then it can run itself from the gas. You could also refill liquid fuel in the centre from a static float tank and use the vacuum created by the turbine to suck the fuel into the reservoir, if you design it right. So theoretically it could keep going until the bearings seize.

So, any questions ?

RM :)

Haha I just saw your edit... you remember my flippant hint of a Plasma Turbine a little while back... ?  8)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 17, 2011, 01:57:06 AM
E Goose
Quote,
I have briefly touched on PLASMA (which nobody seized on)
---------------
Yes I did not understand that Brief Plasma /Fuel reference?
And how the gains could happen?
Was the fuel in a manifold [tube] around the plasma?,Or visa versa ?
Or in direct contact some how :o?

Things to ponder and understand if we are truly going to get away from the "bowser"!

Thanks for all your help and your patience !

Chet
Studying................

Chet

No worries.

I was actually quite clear when explaining the plasma interaction in the MIT patent.  I said something to the effect that the plasma was only in effect in the AIR INTAKE tube SEPARATE from the fuel tube. 

However this does not mean that this is the only way to bend plasma.  You are still not asking the question "why is it so"?  For instance - When you explode a volatile substance is it more effective in a confined space or open air?  Answer = confined space.  We can see this with hand grenades, internal combustion engines and a whole heap of other applications.  Use of a VERY small amount of fuel that would normally be USELESS in open air (dissipated energy) and yet when confined under pressure can be harnessed to produce power or cause incredible damage.  All these products came about from somebody making a smart observation long ago.

You need to look DEEPER beyond what you know now and REASON with yourself as to why things behave the way they do.  You dont need a University degree to accomplish this, just a level head and a yearning for discovery.  The catalytic process is not that difficult to fathom once you break it down to laymans terms.

Back to plasma.  Chet, plasma comes in various states and can be induced under various environments.  For now, we will refer to electrical plasma (HV ionization of air).  IF you build that carbon fibre reformer with plasma chamber,  MAKE SURE YOU ONLY USE ETHANOL (ALCOHOL) AND WATER!!!!!  I really shouldnt have to spell that out but in this day an age, people do some really daft things sometimes.  You asked was the plasma separate from the fuel in the MIT patent?  If you reasoned this out, deductive logic will allow you to realize it HAS TO BE, especially if the fuel is gasoline otherwise what will you get if you combine spark + gasoline + confined space?  Explosion right!!   :o  :D We only want that happening in the engine!!  Plasma has the ability to change the state of certain elements.

Your goal is to produce a combustible gas at very low energy cost.  Its as simple as that.  Reforming allows you to do this.

@RM  You getting carried away again man!!!?   :D  Youre like a man that hasnt even won lotto yet and is trying to figure how to spend the money.   :DFocus on the MAKING of the fuel big fella and then burn it later LOL.  Besides, as much as your rocket turbine looks exciting, the torque will be incredibly low compared to diesel and gasoline engines.  Why reinvent the wheel and waste time?

Anyway...its up to you.

## DISCLAIMER - ALL EXPERIMENTS POSTED WITHIN THIS THREAD, UTILIZE HIGH VOLTAGE AND EXPLOSIVE FUEL CONVERTED WITHIN CONFINED SPACES.  AS SUCH, WORKING UNDER SUCH ENVIRONMENTS CARRY A EXTREME RISK OF ELECTROCUTION, FIRE, EXPLOSION AND DEATH EVEN IF STRICT SAFETY PRINCIPLES ARE ADHERED TO.  READERS EMBARK ON THESE EXPERIMENTS AT THEIR OWN PERIL AND NOT AS A RESULT OF ADVICE FROM THE AUTHOR.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 17, 2011, 02:39:51 PM
Mr. Goose
Your saying that this type of "reactor" can fit in your hand and make enough fuel to run our cars ?

I see in the link an 89% efficiency claim.
I'm trying to rap my head around this whole plasma fuel concept ?

?
Chet


Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 17, 2011, 03:48:52 PM
Mr. Goose
Your saying that this type of "reactor" can fit in your hand and make enough fuel to run our cars ?

I see in the link an 89% efficiency claim.
I'm trying to rap my head around this whole plasma fuel concept ?

?
Chet

Chet

I wasn't SPECIFICALLY referring to that design but yes, it doesnt have to be large like HHO or gasification and plasma reformers can be made very small.

Stop trying to overthink this stuff.  Some numbers are hard to crunch.  Just go and experiment...and be careful OK.

Best
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 17, 2011, 04:30:55 PM
E Goose
Yes I will be careful ,Very............
Started my adult life repairing  aircraft engines [you can imagine the results of Careless their]
Went on to a whole new direction ,Highrise demolition in NYC [again Extra Careful  :o !]
I don't really do "Willy Nilly" very well!,Its one of the reasons My phone rang that fateful day in February 1993,the chief engineer of the port authority of Ny and NJ requesting me to come down to the Trade center after the bombing!
You can rest assured I will be careful!
   
Its the "fruitful" part that I need to focus on!,I don't have much "Play time",
And I'm not so sure that our society as a Whole has much either!

Still studying.........
Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 17, 2011, 05:03:44 PM
Ramset

Good to hear man.  Nothing as unfriendly as a face full of propeller!   :D

Best
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 19, 2011, 03:03:20 PM
Mr.Goose
Yes "propeller Puss" is to be avoided at all costs!
Got this from a friend yesterday a real "saint".

http://waterfuel.100free.com/plasmatron.html

This Plasmatron stuff is getting very very interesting!
Well I suppose it has always been interesting ,But now it all starts to come into "focus"!
And to see the Boys at MIT [practically my Neighbors] actually building prototypes for mass production......................

Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 19, 2011, 04:58:28 PM
Who likes jigsaws ?

I do...

So let's put some pieces together :)

Water pressure in... Atomised into Vapor... Electrolytic conversion into Plasma... Through an NRV... Blow it up in the Combustion Chamber... Convert the High Pressure to Velocity with an ECV...

Plasma Turbine anyone ?

RM :)

@ Goose: I think you missed the point of the Rocket Turbine design. It requires no pump as I have used the centrifugal force generated by the Turbine to pump the fuel. It can be refuelled without downtime. It takes advantage of lateral distance, in the same way as Tesla's 60” Turbine, without the mechanical drawbacks. Nozzle to Turbine losses should be similar to conventional Boundary Layer Turbines. It's power to weight ratio is going to be huge, and yes, I think it is going to be quite a Torque'y little number ;)

Catalytic cracking is a bridge technology for ICE's, it is not the future in my opinion, therefore I consider “new wheels” to not be a waste of my time!

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 19, 2011, 07:13:13 PM
RM
Nothing wrong with having a nice ecological fuel for the transition period!
http://www.magnegas.com/technology.html

Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 19, 2011, 07:48:49 PM
Hi Chet,

I completely agree with you, a nice eco-friendly fuel is going to be essential for the transitional period. There are billions of ICE's that can be utilised when reliable systems are openly known and available.

I also feel that it is essential for some of us to look to the future, and I believe the turbine is going to be the engine of the 21st Century. It is perfectly suited for electrical power generation and therefore to becoming the power house behind electric vehicles.

It is also cheap and easy to build, as well as being nearly impervious to EMP attack and therefore provides a guarantee of power that electrical resonance systems utilising energy from the void can never do.

So it's a two stage process. It does not make sense for all of us to focus on the transitional period and believe that is the future.

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: Cherryman on May 19, 2011, 08:03:28 PM
I see you guys talked also about catalysts,

Remember this one?  2007 !   

Just water touching it creates instant steam over 100 degrees .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAM6dRaVhWg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAM6dRaVhWg)

I think the stuff was classified immediately after this broadcast  ;)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: kampen on May 19, 2011, 08:12:42 PM
MIT Plasmatron & Arvin Meritor

The “plasmatron” ( a plasma source having coaxial cylindrical electrodes with a swirling gas flow to ameliorate electrode erosion) was invented in Russia in the 1970′s.
The inventor, Rabinovich, was able to find a job at MIT and, when H2 generation/fuel conversion/NOx removal was at a rage, worked w/Cohn & Bromberg at MIT on a plasmatron for fuel conversion and generating H2 reductant for NOx removel.

Arvin Meritor became an industrial backer of the device, hoping to find a large market for it. People wonder ‘What ever became of the MIT/Arvin Meritor plasmatron?’ – it seemed to work so well.
 
No conspiracy here: the device did work well for short periods of time; however, for reasonable operating times required of industrial/automotive devices, the MIT plasmatron made bunches and bunches of soot – very undesirable to inject into an engine or a NOx-removal system.

Discovering this, Arvin Meritor promptly dumped MIT and withdrew funds for subsequent work.

If one looks at Cohn et al work at MIT in the past few years, they have moved on to advanced ethanol engines – or whatever else is the rage at the time.
Dr. Louis Rosocha
Applied Physics Consulting
Los Alamos, NM
&
22+-year Alumnus/Retiree of the Los Alamos National Laboratory
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 19, 2011, 09:30:44 PM
Wow
Talk about pieces of a puzzle
Los Alamos, Santilli ,Magnagas,Plasmatron..........

?
Hey RM,
Hows that Plasma nozzle work that you posted
Looks very Doable and simple?

With E.Gooses link to the Ambient temp LEP[low energy pulse] Carbon Fiber Thingy we should start talking about
HOW??
Thanks
Chet
PS
Cherryman
Can't see vids on this Putor ,Whats that from 07?
Thanks
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 20, 2011, 01:28:55 AM
Hi Chet,

Read this link again that you posted:

http://waterfuel.100free.com/plasmatron.html

Pay attention to the PICTURES... recognise parts of them ?

Now read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29

Then read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet

A picture speaks a thousand words so they say...

Then learn about barrel porting to create a vortex:

http://www.paintballtimes.com/Article.asp?ID=26

Rifling works in imparting spin, that's why every highly evolved assault rifle in the world today is rifled ;)

Then re-read the first link and look for the picture near the bottom I have reproduced “Injection Axial Radial Vortex”

I have given you sleeving technology and off the shelf hydraulic fittings to make an injector. Use your initiative to create the effects in this diagram. Axial, Radial or Vortex...

Then realise you need one "Voltage / Current" value to create Plasma and another to combust it...

Realise that if you harness sunlight you get steam, which is self pressurised and requires no user input to pump pressure. It is also a vapor and can be converted into Plasma via a high voltage electrical arc, which is undergoing high pressure compression and supersonic velocities due to HELIS, before combustion and subsequent conversion to high velocity fluid.

Yes the Plasma Injector is very “doable” because I have already outlined the technology, theory, and components before I told you what it was.

Now you know...

Water Plasma Injectors are not so complicated anymore :)

There is really nothing left for me to say. I have finished.

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 20, 2011, 02:19:11 AM
I see you guys talked also about catalysts,

Remember this one?  2007 !   

Just water touching it creates instant steam over 100 degrees .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAM6dRaVhWg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAM6dRaVhWg)

I think the stuff was classified immediately after this broadcast  ;)

OK

Either way it doesn't matter "what happened" to this tech.  It's all just speculation and pointless time wasting unless you know the specs of the device.  Stay on task...build something with the knowledge you have.

Regarding the device in the youtube vid, I wouldnt worry about it anyway.  It's HIGHLY unlikely its a FE source.  The catalyst would have been something like a powerful oxidizer 'pellet'.  There are plenty of raw metals that will combust and flash boil water but these are always converted into another form of energy and then used up.  If those guys manufactured an alloy (which has been done) it would be effective but still only give you X amount of hours 'fuel' time.

Besides, these types of metals are not cheap, are restricted and can't be purchased at the corner store.  Therefore, after you think it out...NOT PRACTICAL.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 20, 2011, 02:22:23 AM
MIT Plasmatron & Arvin Meritor

The “plasmatron” ( a plasma source having coaxial cylindrical electrodes with a swirling gas flow to ameliorate electrode erosion) was invented in Russia in the 1970′s.
The inventor, Rabinovich, was able to find a job at MIT and, when H2 generation/fuel conversion/NOx removal was at a rage, worked w/Cohn & Bromberg at MIT on a plasmatron for fuel conversion and generating H2 reductant for NOx removel.

Arvin Meritor became an industrial backer of the device, hoping to find a large market for it. People wonder ‘What ever became of the MIT/Arvin Meritor plasmatron?’ – it seemed to work so well.
 
No conspiracy here: the device did work well for short periods of time; however, for reasonable operating times required of industrial/automotive devices, the MIT plasmatron made bunches and bunches of soot – very undesirable to inject into an engine or a NOx-removal system.

Discovering this, Arvin Meritor promptly dumped MIT and withdrew funds for subsequent work.

If one looks at Cohn et al work at MIT in the past few years, they have moved on to advanced ethanol engines – or whatever else is the rage at the time.
Dr. Louis Rosocha
Applied Physics Consulting
Los Alamos, NM
&
22+-year Alumnus/Retiree of the Los Alamos National Laboratory

I'm aware of this piece of information.  However, it is MISLEADING and at least a good part inaccurate.

YES - if you dont tune a plasma system well you end up with 'clogging deposits' however is this not the same if you run your car 'rich' and badly tuned on gasoline???!!

THINK...

Plasma works and MUCH better than Gasoline.  100 times better.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 20, 2011, 02:35:25 AM
RM

You don't have to go to the trouble of machine 'rifling' something to induce a vortex.  NEITHER do you require electrical current to make plasma.  Plasma exists in nature induced by many states of energy. 

You already have an abundance of information and and have yet to even start on a solid path.  Here is one more piece of information that makes HHo disassociation viable WITHOUT electrical current!  Heating a metal catalyst to beyond 1000C will instantly split steam into HHO.

Hmmm...sounds familiar but where?  Thats what is happening inside the geet!

Here is a patent for a 'diesel' fuel injection plug that works with water.  The water hits the heated catalyst and instantly turns to gas, then explodes.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080271706

  ARE YOU THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX YET?? 

When I said there were MANY ways to make water fuel, I wasn't kidding.  This isn't even the cherry yet.

You have enough information to think and do something.  If you do nothing, its not from lack of having been informed.

Best

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 20, 2011, 02:41:57 PM
Mr Goose,

I never suggested anyone go to the trouble of machining rifling, which is a pain in the ass to do and requires specialist equipment. Not once in any of my designs have I suggested people need to do this. The point I was making is that vortex induced spin is known to stabilise fluid flow. However it is interesting that you chose this point to nit-pick. Desperate ?

I also never suggested that electrical current is the only way to create a plasma state. I am well aware that there are other ways to do it. Please stop implying words into my mouth.

Yes, your right there is an abundance of information now, however, was that information available all those years ago when I made the decisions that set my direction ?

I think that the designs and theory I have written about clearly show that I was on a solid path based upon the information I had at the time I made my decisions. I have gone to great lengths to document the materials, methods, components and theory required to build my designs and pursue a technology tree that has up to now only been available to the military industrial complex.

I believe it is also now reasonable to expect that the majority of people on this forum can actually feel confident that they can attempt to build a Plasma Detonation Turbine, which before I came along was a vague concept whispered quietly amongst a few, if at all.

You have provided a wealth of very interesting information and there is no denying that, however you seem to have returned to your habit of teasing people about “the secret” you alone know. Is this a vain egotistical attempt at intellectual superiority ?

This cherry you speak about, am I correct in assuming that you have researched and theoretically established the “solid path”, headed into the workshop and built it, proven it, drawn up the designs so that it can be easily replicated by humanity, and will be releasing it shortly ?

That really would be the goose laying the golden egg. Anything short of that will just be lot's more clucking!

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 20, 2011, 03:07:42 PM
RM

You wake up on the wrong side of the Universe this morning?  :D  You have to realise by now that despite the technology of emoticons (which I don't use enough), people tend to read posts/email/correspondence and impart their own 'mood' into the text which you have clearly done.

I was not nit picking, just making observations and if you take it otherwise, I can't do anything about that.  This is meant to be an open banter isnt it?

As regards my comment about the 'cherry', your interpretation is a leap to the far side from which it was intended.  It was my way of emphasizing " what we are talking about is great, but there are a plethora of other real solutions to utilizing water as fuel".

Now I shall ask that you don't impute bad motives on my part OK.   ;)  All is good!  Not everything written has sinister or nastily maligned intentions my man!

You have a great day.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 20, 2011, 03:24:17 PM
Hey Mr Goose,

Funny you should mention it but yes I did wake up on the wrong side of the Universe this morning. I think it has to do with the Plasma Injector and the finishing of the release of all my work. I had not planned to do it in this manner or at this speed, but as usual the Universe disagreed with my timescales and it ended up coming to fruition in this thread. In hindsight this is not such a bad thing.

I can be cranky sometimes and I do tend to bite if I perceive people as attempting to take the piss out of me. I think it comes from a decade existing in a tiny room talking to myself. Does wonders for the sanity!  ;D

Thanks for clearing up my mis perception, I don't want to fall out with you, your contribution has been most note worthy to the movement in general.

On another note I have almost finished the Kelly Kettle conversion to a gasifier, so hopefully I can show you all next week if it works! :)

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 20, 2011, 04:05:03 PM
RM

Youre a nice fella and I can equate to waking up with the planets aligning badly (I'm there often!)  :D .  You and Chet have been great contributors and unless it's in jest, I'm not one to take the piss especially at people who are hard workers.  I am a straight talker though and I guess some of my posts in other threads have been forthright and many cannot handle the truth, especially if it effects some treasured notion that they hold dear (no matter how badly off course they are). 
If we don't have the truth...what else remains??  Denial, chaos, fairy tales and a corruption!  Pretty much sums up the state of the world right?  I'm at an age where I attempt to be polite but get straight to the point and this doesnt translate well with many LOL.

I have enjoyed your input and you obviously know what you are doing.  Look forward to the Kelly Kettle conversion!!  What's you welding like?  Better than mine I'm sure!!  You have a little gen to test the gas on?

Best
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 20, 2011, 05:16:18 PM
Well Mr Goose,

I also attempt to be polite but do not hold back the truth as I see it. Like you this sometimes upsets people. At the tender young age of 32 I realise how much I still have to learn.

I have no idea what my welding is like, I have never learnt, and do not own a welder. I think it's pretty much the same way as a woman shoots an assault rifle though... Aim, close your eyes and then pull the trigger  ;D

The Kelly Kettle conversion has been designed with stainless steel pots and pans I got from the £ shop and a bag of clay. I have some pipes and fittings already. No valves though :( cannot afford them, might have to make some. The idea is that you can convert it with only a drill, hacksaw and a pair of pliers, we shall see how it works out.

I will just burn the gas for now to prove I am producing it. I had to sell my generator last year unfortunately :(

Ideally I would want one of these:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-50mm-Petrol-Wood-Shredder-Chipper-Mulcher-Buy-Best-/380206254814?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item58860f0ade

Then if I can get this running off the Kelly Kettle I would be able to produce fuel to make more fuel :) 5 mins run time should be more than enough to replace the woodchips used.

This way you can be self sufficient from deadfall logs, or, you could always saw the limbs off your neighbours tree in the middle of the night if you don't like him much  ;D

RM :)

 
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 21, 2011, 03:25:08 AM
Gents I have to say
This is a very productive path we are on,Why the plasma does what it does can open up much bigger doors!
For now it will be fabulous to get a grip on what it can do for our immediate fuel efficiency needs!
All the info presented to date on this thread is very inspiring and ridiculously interesting,
I feel like I have stumbled onto treasure! [well from my perspective I Have!!]

Still Studying.................

Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 21, 2011, 04:01:44 AM
Gents I have to say
This is a very productive path we are on,Why the plasma does what it does can open up much bigger doors!
For now it will be fabulous to get a grip on what it can do for our immediate fuel efficiency needs!
All the info presented to date on this thread is very inspiring and ridiculously interesting,
I feel like I have stumbled onto treasure! [well from my perspective I Have!!]

Still Studying.................

Chet

Chet

It is a treasure!  You have yet to truly see what this tech is capable of and how simple it really can be.  I always wanted this thread to be a succinct, FACTUAL storehouse of information on REAL fuel alternatives because heaven knows the forums are loaded enough with theory.  Let's face it, talking about 'ideas' is OK but so much of the material at the energy forums are just wasted space and diversions from real solutions that lie within grasp.

  It REALLY is a shame that BAD ideas take off with gusto sometimes and capture a good portion of the publics eye because unfortunately, sheeple once they get hold of something, they fall in love with it (like fads and fashions) until it has run it's course and exhausted itself.  HHO (through electrolysis) is EXACTLY this.  A cheap nasty fad that is not the soloution in itself and yet so many cannot see that they are burning huge amounts of energy to get maybe 20% back!!  It's insanity!

Don't get me wrong....HHO is a great gas!  It has very interesting properties whereby burning it you CAN achieve OU!  HOWEVER...electrolysis alone is a dead horse.

Anyway, back to what we are doing here Chet.  Don't look at all the material and become overwhelmed.  Read each facet until you understand it thoroughly (in laymans terms) and then think about ways to combine it so as to create a fuel system.

This can be bent so many different ways and be as simple or complex as you like.  Much depends on what motor you are running, the consumption rate per minute and so forth.  The exciting thing is that with some of these gasses, they can be run INCREDIBLY DILUTE in a huge volume of air and still have faster, superior burn rates than gasoline!!!

Regards
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 21, 2011, 04:08:30 AM
Well Mr Goose,

Then if I can get this running off the Kelly Kettle I would be able to produce fuel to make more fuel :) 5 mins run time should be more than enough to replace the woodchips used.

This way you can be self sufficient from deadfall logs, or, you could always saw the limbs off your neighbours tree in the middle of the night if you don't like him much  ;D

RM :)

RM

What a superb idea.  You would have more fuel than you would know what to do with!  The termites would be composting your chip pile before you could consume it.  :D 

When you consider that they were running cars in Australia and around the world on these wood gasifiers during world war2 when gasoline was short, and you could drive for miles on a few small coals, it sets the imagination running!  This IS OU because the amount of work accomplished to work done is far in excess.  No its not FREE energy, but it is OU and darn cheaper.

As discussed, you dont have to use wood.  Plastics, water + some other carbon waste = energy.  You could EASILY start a backyard business from this.

Best

Best
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 21, 2011, 12:40:45 PM
Hi Everyone,

Yes this has become a very productive thread :)

HHO is still a potential solution in my opinion but Mr Goose is correct, at current levels of efficiency it is a poor option for self sufficiency. However, that was the entire point of the Hydro Electro Lytic Turbine technologies, a new direction that may one day improve those efficiencies to a level that becomes viable.

Plasma is very interesting and is the fourth state of matter. Plasma, Gas, Liquid, Solid. It is important to remember that all four of those are fluids in different energetic states. This is why I have labored the point about understanding fluid dynamics and attempted to bring the subject to you in a practical format you can pursue.

The Scramjet is a perfect example of the same principles applied in a new application, and HELIS will allow you to play with Plasma production while at the same time adhering to the principles of fluid dynamics and the relationship between pressure and velocity, which is key in manipulating energy states.

I am glad you like the little chipper Mr Goose, your right it does offer the opportunity to create fuel and sell the surplus. Here is an ebay seller of bulk wood chips:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WOODCHIP-mulch-bark-wood-chip-paths-allotments-gardens-/250812841337?pt=UK_H_G_Garden_Plants_Landscaping_Garden_Materials_ET&hash=item3a659c3d79

With fuel cost at zero you only have maintenance cost of the machine and the cost in collecting the branches, as long as you have a ready supply of course.

We can also take this idea one step further, remember the buggy I told you about ? Well you can buy these new or off ebay secondhand with an ICE and everything else already installed. If you were to mount a gasifier at the rear and seal the cockpit you would be able to power it from wood chips.

If you were to take the chipping unit off the garden chipper and mount that so that it can be run from the engine you would be able to process the fuel on the vehicle, effectively giving you unlimited range. This would be simple to do as with the gearbox in neutral the engine can still be revved and the shaft still turns, it is just no longer transmitting drive to the gearbox.

If you were to mount a simple pulley to the engine output shaft in addition to the gearbox connection then you could connect the chipping unit via a belt whenever you wanted to make more fuel. As long as you carried some woodchips for the purpose of making more, same principle as carrying a jerrycan full of fuel for emergencies, you would become self sufficient barring mechanical failure of the equipment.

Pretty easy stuff really, any engine mechanic could do this with his eyes shut. The other alternative, if the engine configuration makes it too difficult to mount a secondary pulley would be to carry a jack and axle stands (fit to body not axle!) and lift the drive wheels off the floor, you could then run the chipper unit from the drive wheels shaft using a pulley and belt. Lot's and lot's of options here people!

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 22, 2011, 04:44:05 AM
GEK open source Gasifier for use with most engines.  Conversion a simple reality.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Convert-your-Honda-Accord-to-run-on-trash/

Understand how to use plasma and you shrink the whole unit.
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 22, 2011, 05:26:40 AM
Hello Everyone,

Here is the Everyman Gasifier Unit.

It can be constructed from 316 Stainless Steel 150lb class pipe fittings and simply screws together.

As a general rule of thumb use BSPP for FEMALE and BSPT for MALE. This will form a seal without sealant. However if a seal is required use clay on the threads and the outside of the fittings which will become a custom ceramic seal when “cooked”.

The custom 2” pipe nipple must be threaded manually to fit the double inverted 4” to 2” reducing sockets.

I have not added the filter unit or valves to control gas flow to engine manifold because I do not have the energy tonight. The unit appears sealed at the top but is not, this is a section view remember :)

This is so simple I do not even need to describe it. It is a little pricey compared to scrap parts, but when you consider it will last forever, can be easily dismantled for maintenance, screws together, and is size customiseable then the benefits outweigh the initial setup costs.

The fuel hopper height is customiseable depending on your fuel tank size preference and the size of your wallet.

This is about as simple as it gets without requiring any special skills.

Some resources:

http://zx55.com/default.asp

http://zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=2295

http://zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=2476

http://zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=2237

http://zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=5053

http://www.tapdie.com/html/bspipe__dies.html

RM :)


Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 23, 2011, 12:41:53 PM
Hello Everyone,

I have had a little sleep now and the brain is working again so I have put up the EGU Mk2 for you. The Mk1 was for stationary application with a manual shaker handle and grate. The Mk2 is for vehicle mounting and will act in the same way as a HHO Generator and supplement the gasoline.

The Mk2 has been shrunk. This is based around 1/2” and 2” BSP pipe and fittings. I have done this for two reasons. 2” BSP Pipe fittings are commonly used by the plumbing industry and can be sourced reliably and the cost is lower. The other reason is that the unit should now be small enough to mount in the engine bay in a vertical position.

I have now used 2” extended barrel nipples which can be got off the shelf in 6” lengths at a very good price. You can now extend the size of the fuel hopper by 6” a time using just one of these and a parallel socket:

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=2202

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=2249 (No picture but it looks like this)

http://www.colglo.co.uk/productlistallinone.php?category=218510401814

Hexagon sockets are better as you can get a wrench on them, the smooth round ones need adjustable plumbing pliers for gripping pipe (which every engineer should have anyway as they are awesome!)

Scroll to the bottom of the page and there is a pdf with dimensions. Very handy. Some of the links on some pages are broken but contact them if there is one missing that you need.

The EGU is also modular which means multiple units can be put together to form one large unit. For example, 4off Mk2 units all connect to the filter manifold and the combined product of the gas produced exits through one outlet to the engine manifold.

This has advantages because where we would be creating one large amount of gas in a large gasifier, we are now creating multiple smaller amounts of gas and combining them just before injection to the engine.

This also means that the fuel consumption rate should be the same so you will not have to refill the fuel hopper any more than you would with the larger one.

A point to note is that a large gasifier unit like the one mounted on the Honda Civic can probably handle 2” square wood chips as mentioned in the FEMA document. The Mk2 having a S40S 1/2” BSP pipe 16mm diameter internal bore fire tube will need smaller wood chips. This adds to the pre-processing of the wood chips as you will need to separate the small chips from the large using a sizing grate. However, the large chips that remain get dumped back through the chipper so not a great addition to the labour required, especially considering the advantage gained in smaller size of the unit.

Now, it will be possible to mount multiple Mk2 EGU's inside a stainless steel box with an airtight tongue and groove lid seal. The box itself will be mounted inside your boot out of sight. The box will have two vents to the outside of the car probably through the bottom of the boot, one intake vent and one outtake vent to allow fresh air to circulate.

If you were to separate the box into two sections with two separate EGU modules then you could run the car off one module until the fuel is depleted. Then start the second module and run that until the fuel is depleted. By the time the second module's fuel is exhausted the first module will have cooled enough for you to refill the individual Mk2 fuel hoppers. This process then continues allowing you to keep driving forever until the fuel carried on board runs out, then it's time to pull over, find some branches and make some more.

I am not going to put up a design for this, just an outline of the idea. The reason for this is gasifiers produce carbon monoxide. I do not want someone to install a boot EGU, do it wrong, and poison themselves and their family with carbon monoxide! So if you know what I am talking about here you probably know how to do it properly. Proceed at your own risk!!

This system will mean that you can run your car without gasoline but no one will know because from the outside your car looks perfectly normal. This will stop the police pulling you over when they see a big oil drum strapped to the back of your car!

As soon as lot's of people start doing this they will make it illegal and the MSM will be filled with the “dangers” of this technology and a lot of other bollocks as well probably. If you DO IT RIGHT it will be safe, and always carry a fire extinguisher in the vehicle.

The other point is they will claim that this is increasing CO2 pollution. This is wrong because the carbon you will be burning is already present in the material, which would rot and release the exact same amount of carbon into the atmosphere anyway. By burning it cleanly and efficiently you will actually probably decrease the amount going into the environment.

The other point is that oil is pumped from underground where the carbon is locked away from the environment. By burning it and releasing it you are actually increasing the amount of CO2 entering our world. The gasifier technology in contrast is carbon neutral for the reasons I have already outlined.

The other thing I want to talk about is the Mk2 in a different application. The GECV will allow you to use just a single unit to run a turbine. The Plasma Injector technology will allow you to create a plasma state of water, air or the woodgas itself. You have everything you need to explore multiple directions of this technology, and by using just a single Mk2 with different plasma potentials you can easily compare the efficiency of each potential.

I had a quick look for high temperature silicone and found this one good to 320C constant, 350C intermittent. This will be a better option than clay as it will remain flexible, while clay will go brittle over time and crack due to the vibration of the vehicle. Search around for other silicones and see if you can find a better one. This one has a NATO stock number though which tells you it is amongst the best ;)

http://www.intek-uk.com/xts320.htm

Here are a few more resources:

http://www.zx55.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?tc=N&id=3&cat=Low%20Pressure%20Fittings&app=U-Bolt%20and%20Nuts

U bolts will allow you to securely mount your gasifier to a stainless backing plate in the vertical position. The description says ½” NB which means nominal bore. The description also says ½” NPS which means Nominal Pipe Schedule. These two descriptions are not the same!

1/2” NB actually means 0.5”

1/2” NPS actually means ½ Pipe which is 0.84” OD of the pipe.

Check with the supplier what you are actually getting before you buy it!

Here is the ½” pipe for the custom pipe nipple fire tube:

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=5033

I have already given you the link to tap&die for the ½” BSPP die and holder. You MUST use BSPP for the custom pipe nipple as this will allow you to cut a continuous parallel thread, and you need a double length thread for mounting the reducing sockets. Taper thread will not work for this purpose.

The missus is nagging me to go shopping so that's all for now folks!

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ElectricGoose on May 23, 2011, 01:59:17 PM
RM

Good work man.


Regards
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 23, 2011, 03:40:42 PM
Thankyou Mr Goose, coming from you those 3 words are high praise indeed!  :D

Here are a few more ideas for the shaker basket:

http://www.zx55.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?tc=N&id=5&cat=Hygienic%20Fittings&app=Reducer%20-%20Concentric

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STAINLESS-STEEL-measures-cups-5-cups-/160587791129?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2563c73b19

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Bar-Supplies-n-Cocktail-Accessories/_i.html?_nkw=thimble+measure&submit=Search&_sid=16120080

When I was in Asda earlier I saw a high quality measuring cup set 4off that would have been perfect for a shaker basket and they were only £3. There are lot's of options here and lot's of shapes so just find something that fits well.

Here is an excellent catalogue:

http://www.pipelinecentre.co.uk/default.aspx

It looks like this is the company but it is not, this is a reseller. Lot's of different resellers use the same catalogue with their own name on the front. They will have hardcopies so ask for one, I highly recommend it for flicking through. Get a grasp of all the different components and technologies and it will help your creativity. It will also give you the keywords you need to find exactly what you want, and if you look hard enough... you will find it!  ;D

I am taking a break for a while, I expect a large number of people to have gasifiers up and running by the weekend, funds allowing...

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 24, 2011, 02:43:28 AM
Hi Everyone,

I found this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-High-Temperature-Sealant-1200C-310ml-Not-Silicone-/270736310952?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f092442a8

Says it is not silicone and good to 1200C after (up to) 4 days curing...

Manufacturer:

http://www.denbraven.nl/en/product-range/miscellaneous/zwaluw-fire-sealant-1200%C2%B0c

Data Sheet:

http://www.denbraven.nl/documents/pdfs/products/technical_datasheet/83_en.pdf

I have ordered some so I will let you know if it does what it says on the tin :)

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 25, 2011, 06:05:24 PM
Hi Everyone,

A concept I have been working on has now fully matured in my mind and I am ready to share it with you.

I have been thinking about overpopulation and how to solve it.

Remember when I have previously talked about turning the deserts green, well, I have now figured out how to do it with known technology. The only hurdles to implementation will be political so to counter this effectively the information must be spread far and wide. To Everyman. That is your job.

A political ideal can only survive with an unaware and uneducated population. It collapses when faced down with the truth.

So, what's this all about...

We build huge gasifiers in the desert that convert carbon bio matter to combustible gas.

The gas is then burnt, not in an ICE, but in a boiler. This converts the heat to steam pressure.

The steam pressure is used to run a boundary layer turbine.

The turbine rotary moment output is then used to pump and distil seawater to fresh water, or alternatively, a percentage of it is used to create electricity for the sites needs via PMA conversion.

Where do we get the bio matter ?

Well, we need a plant that thrives on sunlight, requires little water to mature and grows very quickly.

We know of such a plant...

It is called Hemp.

Hemp will mature in under 3 months and can be harvested, this means 4 crops per year. With clever breeding you can get this down to 2 months to maturity, which means 6 crops per year.

The Hemp will provide everything we need in a desert environment to run the power plants, feed the people and keep them healthy and also provide the raw materials we need to produce pretty much anything we want.

The Hemp will initially need to be protected from the sand storms, created by “loose” matter. Once the desert has been “watered” the matter will bind together and transitory erosion will no longer be a problem.

The protection technology for the crop already exists, clear plastic domes that keep the wind out and let sunlight in.

I have rejected ICE's for this application as they require frequent servicing and additives such as oil to run. They are also less efficient.

Boundary Layer Turbines on the other hand will degrade very slowly, can be run continuously, and will require very little maintenance. They are also very cheap to build and simple. The limiting factor will be the bearings, which these days are excellent and can be isolated anyway.

So there it is, a perfect solution powered by known technology, with zero drawbacks.

The carbon cycle for powering the process is at worst carbon neutral, and at best carbon negative.

No more starvation, no more water shortages, no more power shortages, no more wasted space, no more problems.

Maybe then humanity can focus on realised potential instead of unrealised wasted potential.

Get it done.

Simples :)

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 26, 2011, 04:44:13 PM
Hi Everyone,

I wanted to let you all know that the Mk2 is viable.

You will have to perform one modification to get it to work. I have put a modification instruction below. As you can see you will need to drill out the inside of one of the reducing sockets so that the custom parallel nipple will screw right through it. Leave the other reducing socket as standard.

Loctite an end cap onto a length of custom nipple and screw it in hand tight. Mount the socket in a pillar drill and remove the red material. The drill bit will spin clockwise and when it contacts the custom nipple it will unscrew it and you will see the hexagon end cap begin to spin.

The nipple is there to protect the threads from the drill bit. Once drilled insert a fresh custom nipple and screw it through by getting a wrench on the hex and cap. I would not use the one that you drilled because it might not cut a good thread after being damaged by drilling.

That is the only modification you will have to make to get the system to work... the rest of it screws together beautifully! It is a really high quality piece of kit and I think you guys are going to be chuffed when you got one assembled!  ;D

Two things to note:

The fuel hopper can be enhanced by using larger diameter fittings to expand fuel capacity and reduce height.

The charcoal collection area at the bottom can be enhanced by fitting a tee and end plugs, enlarging the area available without adding to the height so much.

I will put up a new version when I have time :)

I also added a reducing bush, hosetails and ball valves. All available from zx55 if you look around the site. One thing to note is the ball valves have a plastic liner seal, no idea if this will degrade or not, time will tell.

Here is a potential hose you could use:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/E85-Ethanol-Biodiesel-Alcohol-Fuel-Injection-Hose-3-8-/110661007831?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19c3e8f9d7

Here is a potential box you could use:

http://www.tuffboxes.co.uk/

A custom seal would need to be made to make the box airtight, I am sure you guys can rig one up no problems :) Also seal any holes.

Pay attention to materials compatibility!

This box might be galvanised:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanization

So we can see that galvanisation means a zinc coating. This is important because this safety data sheet for the Zwaluw fire sealant 1200C says in part 10:

http://www.denbraven.nl/documents/pdfs/products/safety_datasheet/83_en.pdf

10. STABILITY AND REACTIVITY
Hazardous decomposition products : Hydrogen gas in reaction with aluminium, zinc, tin and alloys of these.

Materials to avoid : Reacts with aluminium, zinc, tin and alloys of these and form hydrogen gas which may form an explosive mixture with air.

Conditions to avoid : Unknown.

So if the box is galvanised and zinc coated you CANNOT use this sealant. Got it ?

Now, I mentioned that I was not going to tell you how to do it but I have changed my mind. This is because my idea of DO IT RIGHT and your ideas may differ. So...

A separate 12v battery in the boot for the system would be a good idea to prevent power spikes when the starter motor is used from the car battery.

12v Carbon Monoxide detector:

http://www.discount-electrical.co.uk/product.php/379664452/aico-battery-carbon-monoxide-alarm-with-memory-feature-12v

This can be wired straight to the 12v battery with a suitable circuit. You guys can figure this out as I am not skilled in this area. Triple redundancy is required! This means that a sensor must be measuring the gas leak inside the box, and two must be measuring the gas leaks outside the box inside the car.

Thermocouples:

http://www.omega.co.uk/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=BT-000_BT-090

Double redundancy required here with 2off thermocouples mounted through the box wall. This will allow you to monitor the air temperature inside the box, which is air cooled. You do not have to buy this one, I just put it up as an example because you can see that it is available with a 1/8 BSPT thread which will seal when used with a bulkhead fitting.

12v fan:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/138586

You will need two air inlets per box in different locations, this will stop a plastic carrier bag getting sucked over the inlet and stopping your airflow. Alternatively a protection grill over the inlets as a filter would be a good idea.

The 12v fans need to be on the outlet, and there needs to be two outlets, so two fans per box. This will keep the airflow exchange going even when the vehicle is stationary.

Now let's talk about system monitoring and control, you could use a laptop or alternatively one of these:

http://www.mini-itx.com/store/

A tiny little computer that you can build yourself. There are so many guides on how to build a computer on the internet that I am not going to cover it. It is easy, and gets even easier if you buy a bundle as the compatibility of each component is guaranteed. The computer guys have already figured it out for you.

Now, A computer has a power supply that rectifies the 240v coming out of your wall socket down to 12v, 5v or 3v as necessary depending on what the component in the computer requires. You will not be running a 240v system in the car you will be running 12v ;)

So, the power supply will not be needed! However what you must pay attention too is the sine wave quality. Computer components do not like power spikes and normally the power supply acts as the buffer for the delicate components of the computer.

You can run a computer off a car battery by using a pure sign wave inverter from 240v to 12v, but these get very expensive due to the quality of the signal required.

So if you were to remove the power supply and add a 12v filter that outputs a pure sign wave between the car battery and the pc you would be sorted. You can cut the connector for the motherboard off the power supply and wire it to your filter yourself. You guys can figure this out, power supply mods are not my strong area.

If you were to run a Linux variant operating system, which is free, and there are so many versions to choose from you would have a stable operating system. Make sure you do not go wireless on the mini ITX specification as this will allow people to remotely hack your computer, you do not need wireless at all!

Now, if someone were to program a monitoring and control piece of software to run the system in a language like Visual Basic for example, and then release the source code, this would be taken and improved on by the super whiz kids who hang around the computer forums. The software would develop exponentionally and get better every version. This is the same principle as Linux operates on ;)

If you were to add things such as remote ignitors, and solenoid actuated control valves etc. you would have a complete on-board management system for your hybrid vehicle, all controlled from one screen.

Then you could add things like automatic fire suppression systems, such as a CO2 fire extinguisher that could be remotely triggered by an actuator when the system senses something has gone wrong and wants to perform an emergency shutdown. Also have a secondary fire extinguisher that is manually operated by pulling the pin and squeezing the handle as a backup. The fire extinguishers are mounted solidly via fittings through the box outer wall.

So, you will now have a vehicle that is a true Hybrid. You keep the gasoline tank as standard and this allows you to just jump in and go, or for short journeys when you don't want to fire up the gasifier system. This only require's a solenoid actuator fuel shut off valve in the mainline from the gas tank to the engine. Easy  ;D

All of this system is remotely controlled by smart software and a computer, with all of the necessary components available off the shelf or open source :)

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on May 26, 2011, 05:24:56 PM
Ash posted this Movie at Jetjis's thread at Energetic,
This man hasn't used Petroleum in two years and 40,000. miles of driving


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3MZo_eyxhM

Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 26, 2011, 10:35:47 PM
Hi Everyone,

I was playing with the jigsaw earlier and look what I made :)

The Plasma Injection Gasifier Generator... Fondly referred to by myself as the PIGG...

A new design of low pressure 150lb BSP class gasifier, steam now injected to break down the fuel, wood + sand, to make us some Syngas :)

A cross fitting with two spark plugs acting as HV Arc Electrodes to create a Plasma Arc Reactor.

A GECV to control the Plasma priming and firing pulses...

A Scramjet nozzle to give us supersonic thrust...

A Turbine to convert that thrust into Rotary Moment...

A PMA to convert that Rotary Moment into AC or DC...

The possibilities are stimulating...  ;D

Points to note:

A Scramjet can operate in one of two modes, either the Scramjet is moved through the fluid to create supersonic compression... or... the fluid is moved through the Scramjet to create supersonic compression.

Only the taxpayer can afford Option one (although he never gets to play with it), Option two is far easier you just gotta blow some gas up!

The Scramjet Gas Bypass is critical... get the balance right ;)

The Plasma Arc Reactor, GECV, Scramjet, and Turbine, along with the Scramjet Gas Bypass must all be 316 stainless 3000lb class Hydraulic Fittings... ONLY!

A PAR, GECV and Scramjet Assy would make a mighty fine Scramjet Rocket Turbine... ;)

Be mindful of anything that starts to melt... ;)

Late at night when the World is quiet... you can hear it in the stillness of the moment... the sound you imagine a tumbleweed to make... it is the sound of the 100th Monkey whispering on the wind...

“Who has a PIGG?”

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 27, 2011, 12:52:13 AM
Hi Everyone,

Another supplier:

http://www.valves-online.co.uk/acatalog/Class_150_stainless_steel_fittings.html

Female Y... Dual Hopper Fuel Feed anyone ?

RM :)

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 29, 2011, 04:05:17 PM
Everyman Gasifier Unit Mk3...

An improved design increasing fuel capacity and decreasing height.

1” Nippling Tube provides off the shelf fire tube, however it is more expensive than threading your own.

RM :)

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 31, 2011, 11:34:57 AM
Here is the Everyman Gasifier Unit Mk4 :)

This is an improved version that requires no modifications of components to function, it simply screws together. I have also reduced the height even more and extended sump and hopper capacities in the search for the ultimate compact unit.

Equal Tees and Crosses are now used exclusively for the main body.

Hex Nipples make the joins with taper thread to seal, enhanced by sealant to lock the assembly and prevent the possibility of spiral leaks.

If a height reduction is desired then parallel BSPP Running Nipples can be used instead of Hex Nipples and the join is effectively internal adding nothing to the height, however sealant is essential as it is BSPP thread male to BSPP thread female.

The Fuel Hopper is now a cross allowing you to drill an end plug for the air intake, and then you can quickly remove the drilled end plug and fit a standard end plug to make the unit air tight and shut down the combustion process.

You can extend the fuel capacity by adding on more crosses if you desire and have the vertical room.

The Fire Tube is now 2" NPS which is a large internal bore to allow the gravity feed of much larger wood chips.

The combustion priming port has been moved up to reduce the height of the unit. Priming Fluid is now injected from a syringe or squirted in from a can. The fluid should be aimed at the fire tube, which will act as a guide, and the fluid will run down the outside of the tube and drip into the shaker basket in the combustion zone.

The most important change is that I have used Hex Reducing Bushes instead of Reducing Sockets. This is because the bush does not have an internal lip that needs to be removed. A parallel male BSPP thread such as on Nippling Tube will screw completely through without a problem, allowing you to join two inverted bushes without modification.

The hex reducing bushes also reduce the overall height of the unit in comparison to reducing sockets :)

I hope your all having fun playing with your big boy's LEGO kit!  ;D

RM :)   
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 31, 2011, 01:16:11 PM
Hi Everyone,

I have just uploaded a video to youtube showing an advanced prototype concept for an Everyman Gasifier Unit...

Grab it quick before youtube ban it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THHx_FD3vfU

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on May 31, 2011, 11:47:14 PM
Hi Everyone,

I found this video on youtube showing a much smaller unit running a small tractor. The guy says he has built it to FEMA design specs. He also says that with a hefty double filter he is only getting 4 hours run time before a filter change is required. Filters might require more R&D but you will find that out when you got a unit up and running under testing.

The good news is it looks to me like the dimensions of his combustion area are around about 1/3 (ish) the dimensions of an EGU Mk4... So... Maybe a few Mk4's could run that small tractor... ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTqXYp28DDc&feature=related

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 04, 2011, 04:30:29 PM
Hi Everyone,

Some developments to share with you:

Here is a youtube video of a guy running a FEMA type gasifier to power a Briggs and Stratton 3HP ICE. In the summary he mentions he is using a 10cm fire tube. This is important because it tells us that 4” schedule pipe will do the job of running a small motor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOIy-3WHa1I

With the ICE powered wood chippers being generally around 5 – 6 HP then a 4” fire tube will probably run them fine, which means you have the capability to produce as much wood chip fuel as you want, with zero fuel cost. Effectively you will have your own fuel processing plant in your back yard.

Now let's talk about the 4” NPS requirement. The problem that we have currently with the Everyman Gasifier is that 4” Barrel Nipples are not very long, this means you have to build a fire tube using multiple Barrel Nipples and Parallel Sockets. This can get costly and so a much better solution would be to have a single Barrel Nipple custom made to the length you require, if you can find a plumbing place that will make it for you at a reasonable price.

There is another alternative and that is to cut your own:

http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/1224-Threading-Machine

This is the industry standard pipe threading machine for up to 4” pipe. It also can cut 4” stainless steel pipe with the correct die fitted. It also can be easily adapted to cut either BSPT or BSPP threads of varying length.

Here is a youtube tutorial on how to use it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGsEzTcLREY

These machines can be very expensive to buy new, approximately £7000 GBP, however they are very cheap to rent, prices vary so shop around for the best deal:

http://www.speedyservices.com/product/13860/pipe-threader-ridgid1224/productoverview

http://www.tglynes.co.uk/plant-hire/

If you were then to buy 6 metres of pipe for example:

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=5069

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=5067

As you can see the welded S40S 4” pipe is cheaper than the seamless, but the seamless does not have the potential problem of the weld cracking and leaking from the high temperatures of the gasifier. I would always prefer seamless if I could afford it.

Now you have 6 metres of pipe and a pipe threading machine for a day that will cut, deburr and thread the pipe for you. If you were to cut each pipe into ½ metre lengths then you would have 12off fire tubes with custom threads on either end, either BSPP or BSPT.

You could then either sell the fire tubes individually via ebay for a small profit, or to members of this community. You could also easily fabricate a complete gasifier unit to run a wood chipper or small generator using 150lb class fittings. If you have the money to do this then it may help everyone out hugely, if I had the money I would definitely do it. Something for you to ponder.

The thing about screwed fittings such as Tee's and Crosses etc is that they are cast, so no seams. Parallel Running Nipples and Parallel Sockets are also threaded from S40S seamless pipe, so no welded seams. If you were to use only seamless pipe for the fire tube you would have an exceptionally high quality 316 stainless steel, fully seamless, thick walled gasifier unit, that would most probably be of the highest quality around... for less money than the 304 welded versions currently available to buy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/VictoryGasworks#p/u

(The website is down today www.victorygasifier.com but it was up last night)

So I think if you got the money for an initial startup then you could have your own gasifier business and fuel business from your backyard with very little labour time. This would also be a decentralised industry with zero patent restrictions and so it would be impossible to shut down.

RM :)



Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 06, 2011, 02:07:10 AM
Hi Everyone,

I have been doing some work on the blower system and here is a good site to give you an idea of the range of blowers available:

http://www.justfans.co.uk/

I personally think that a Tesla Turbine Pump will do the job much better and can be made entirely out of stainless steel. It can also be powered by a simple pulley allowing you flexibility in choice of prime mover.

I have also been thinking about reducing the height of the woodchip fuel hopper which is a major obstacle to covert vehicle mounting. I believe I have come up with a solution that solves the problem by removing the fuel hopper from the gasifier unit and implementing an automated fuel feeding system.

We already have a vacuum pump (blower) present in the system that is only used on startup. If we were to divert the vacuum generated after the gasifier becomes self sustaining and use it intermittently to create a vacuum on the fuel hopper then we could suck fuel chips into the fire tube loading port. If your clever about it you can spring load the gate open and use the vacuum of the pump to close it before it will suck chips ;) this saves using an actuator that must withstand the high heat.

The chips would be stopped by a stainless steel mesh above the hopper, at which point the vacuum would shut off, and the gate valve would open. The chips would drop under gravity into the fire tube.

The compacting rod would then linear actuate to tamp down the chips in the fuel tube. The compacting rod would then withdraw and seal to the top of the fuel feed tube.

Using this system would utilise the vacuum pump already present and only requires sensible valve control and suitable control software.

It may be possible to use a laser beam to trigger the auto fuel feed system when the beam is able to reach the sensor, multiple sensors would work better. They must be able to withstand the heat of the gasifier unit. Other ideas on sensing fuel level in fire tube are welcome :)

I have put some pictures of gate valves below for the people that do not know what they are, and also a website that sells valves to give you some more information:

http://www.valtorc.com/valves/industrial/knife-gates.html

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 06, 2011, 02:42:55 AM
Hi Everyone,

Up to now the focus of gasifier technology has been for use in ICE engines. This is understandable but I believe there are other options.

Currently an ICE requires that a gasifier system filters the gas to purify it before injection into the engine. This prevents the engine clogging up from unwanted deposits.

An ICE also requires a gas that is at the correct temperature before injection and this requires a cooling system.

I believe we can get around both of these problems if we were to utilise the gas in a different system.

If we were to use a gasifier to create gas and then burn that gas without it being filtered it would generate heat. The Kelly Kettle demonstrates the principle of a stainless steel double walled boiler that creates steam. This is the same principle as a steam engine boiler.

This gas also would not need cooling eliminating the need for a cooling system.

The steam pressure that is generated is a fluid in a separate isolated system and so will be pure. The only interaction between the two fluids is in thermal heat exchange.

Steam as the pure working fluid can run a turbine, and a turbine is perfect for running an electric motor. So it will be possible to run an electric car from a gasifier with a far more simplified architecture.

We will definitely be able to eliminate the cooling system in this manner, however, I am sure none of us want to pollute the environment anymore than is absolutely necessary in this transitional period.

So, a filterless burn will need to be assessed for pollutants, and then if necessary some kind of filtration system can be added.

Gasifier Turbine Electric Vehicle anyone ?

RM :)

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 06, 2011, 01:38:43 PM
Hi Everyone,

Check out this video from VictoryGasifier showing the ABE unit. See how compact it is! The guy also uses 45 degrees as a design principle, this was a potential direction I mentioned in the youtube video, looks like he beat me to it by a couple of years!   ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpqvKeSH9v0

What he describes as the hearth below the fuel hopper is not very tall and so he must be getting the correct combustion processes in a very small vertical space. This is great news! He is also using the 45 degree angle to feed the gas out and then sending it through 180 degrees through the hot filter and cyclone filter.

Note he mentions adding on a radiator and further media filter for use with ICE's, if your just going for a burn to run a steam boiler then these extra devices are not necessary. Clean steam power could be just around the corner! ;)

RM :)



Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 06, 2011, 04:42:33 PM
Hi Everyone,

Here is a guy called Steve Bedair that built his own wood chipper:

http://bedair.org/Projects/chipper7.html

Pretty impressive stuff... However it may be a lot simpler and cheaper to buy one like this:

http://www.titan-pro.co.uk/Titan-14-HP---Garden-Shredder---Chipper---Woodchipper/66/28/Product.aspx

Here is a youtube video of the Titan in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ZeK4E4uVo

That looks a very impressive machine to me and buying straight from the manufacturer means the spare parts will be easy and cheap to source. 14HP should also give you more than enough power to handle substantial branches. The chip output in the video is very impressive and the final chip size looks small enough that very little, if any, processing will be required. This could save you the trouble and expense of buying a dedicated wood pellet making machine which costs thousands of £!

RM :)

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: ramset on June 07, 2011, 02:25:22 PM
RM
You are quite the progressive Ape!
An excellent compilation of info you have brought here for the experimenter![in this case me]

This Gasification is very cool, We recently had some Tornados come thru my part of the USA!,There are quite literaly Trailer Cars of shreddings to be had for the taking?

The power of Nature is absolutely Jaw Dropping ............

I've been Very busy trying to make ends meet lately,perhaps making "Gas" will help towards that end!
Thanks for all you do ............
Chet
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 07, 2011, 03:44:52 PM
Hi Chet,

If you liked the other stuff then I think your going to love this!  ;D

I cannot afford an EGU and I don't want all the kiddies playing without me so I went back to the drawing board and came up with the Poor Man's Exhaust Gasifier.

This is made from common automobile exhaust parts and all clamps together, no welding!

As you can see exactly the same principles apply as used in the Everyman Gasifier but this is a much cheaper option.

Here is a major UK exhaust manufacturer that has every part you need available via ebay. Call them or email them to specify the exact dimensions you need for each component:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Exhaust-Adapter-Connector-Sleeve-Joiner-Clamp-Clamps-/220783509427?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3367b8ffb3

I have put pictures below of every component listed on the Gasifier drawing.

All of the joints are made by tightly fitting sleeve components and clamps. Use fire sealant on assembly for an airtight seal. This will dry hard and form the custom gasket.

The Gasifier is supported by a frame made from stainless steel box tubing:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STAINLESS-STEEL-SQUARE-TUBE-BOX-25mm-x-25mm-x-900mm-/160586705037?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item2563b6a88d

This can be bolted together so you do not need to buy a welder, but of course you can weld it if you want to.

Avoid these hose clamps if you can as they have a mild steel bolt that will rust out quickly:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Norma-Mikalor-Exhaust-Clamp-55-59-mm-Stainless-Steel-/150602242162?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item231097d872

Use these instead they are fully stainless and heavy duty:

http://www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/HoseClip_Mikalor_Supra-W4.html

Here is an interesting thread on clamps:

http://101club.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4750

Also do not use galvanised clamps as they will react with the particular sealant mentioned in this thread and create hydrogen which is bad in an environment with an operating temperature above that of hydrogens auto ignition temperature.

The bottom of the Gasifier is sealed by simply pushing it down into a square block of modelling clay and then bolting it to the frame with U bolts. To empty the ash simply unbolt the gasifier and lift it up, kick the clay out of the way and put down a new piece, then bolt it back to the frame:

http://www.tomps.com/shop/buff-stoneware-modelling-clay-p-173.html

Obviously the EGU's are better quality with thread locking and sealing but beggars cannot be choosers. You can add a stainless steel threaded rod down through the fire tube to shake the basket as with the EGU Mk1 if you want too for static application.

Exhausts are normally in the range 1.75” to 3” so this is why we have a 3” fuel hopper. Interestingly MIJ Exhausts advertise up to 6” diameter tube for making custom flues for wood burners, it's just a pity they do not make a 3” to 6” adaptor sleeve clamp :( Maybe they will make them if there is enough demand... and it sure will be handy to have a 6” wide fuel hopper!)

So what do you all think ? Simple and cheap enough ??

RM :)



Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 07, 2011, 04:12:27 PM
Hi Everyone,

I have worked all night on this and I am shattered so the brain is not working quite so well, and 15 coffee's has not helped much with the headache.

There is another option for the fire tube:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-8-Exhaust-Silencer-Box-3-Inlet-76-4mm-/280614588666?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4155eed0fa

This is the clamp on type with a 3" inlet so it will be compatible with the joining sleeve. What you need to do is use a hacksaw to cut the large end off, then you need to reach your arm right down inside with a dremel and use a cutting disc to remove the perforated inner tube that creates the silencing effect. You also might be able to cut the tube from the 3" inlet end which will be a lot safer! Be sensible!  ;)

This will give you a large diameter fire tube that in this example can be 40" tall. The cutting disc might bite on the holes in the perforated tube so be...

EXTREMELY CAREFUL NOT TO CUT YOUR FINGERS OFF! I am not joking!

However what you will now have is a large fuel hopper  ;D

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 08, 2011, 01:17:08 AM
Hi Everyone,

Just a quick note here to let you know that you can mix and match between the EGU and the PMEG parts.

If you have gone the route of threaded pipe fittings then you have probably chosen a 2" NPS Fire Tube. Barrel Nipples of 2" NPS are cut from S40S Seamless Pipe and therefore the OD of the pipe is 2.375" or 60.33mm as we can see here:

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=5053

You could then use a Custom Made Exhaust Pipe Adapter Connector Sleeve Joiner:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Exhaust-Adapter-Connector-Sleeve-Joiner-Clamp-Clamps-/220783509427?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3367b8ffb3

Just tell them that you want to join two pipes with OD of 60mm and 76mm and it should fit really nice.

This will allow you to use an exhaust back box silencer as a fuel hopper, once modded as I have described, and this will greatly increase the fuel capacity of your EGU for relatively little money. You could also visit some scrap yards looking for cars and trucks that have stainless exhaust systems and just cut the pipe and take the silencer home. Lorries for example often have massive stainless silencers because they last for the life of the vehicle and do not need replacing every few years as the mild steel ones do. Its about the $ remember ;)

The 76mm dimension is because the back box I linked too has a 3" inlet tube for connection, if you use a different exhaust then the inlet OD might be different so check before you order the sleeve.

This will give you a very high quality unit  ;D

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 12, 2011, 09:51:56 PM
Hi Everyone,

The process of converting wood biomass into wood chips for fuel is pretty well understood by now. A 4 stroke engine giving us the ability to produce more fuel than is consumed in the process of making it, thus creating a huge surplus of free fuel for the end user. The question is what do we do with this fuel ?

Here is one option:

http://www.stakproperties.com/index.php?p=3_62

A small residential size Pellet Mill powered by a gasoline engine for $2000

The pellets produced become a product to sell and as we can see here they are relatively cheap compared to the mass so perhaps not the best option for making $

http://www.plqpellets.co.uk/products.html

So what is happening in this process ?

Well, we are taking a raw material that has been processed by the Sun and environment and converting it to combustible gas using gasifier technology. This gas is combusted to produce a rotary moment that is then used to run the Pellet Press, creating the end product.

The Pellets are a more highly processed form of Wood Chips, a second stage. This means that they have a higher density volume and therefore a higher energy content than the first stage processed wood chips.

The question you have to ask yourself is whether the second stage processing into a denser, more energy rich form is worth the additional setup cost and mechanical maintenance cost of an additional machine ?

By consuming the second stage pellets you are still creating a rotary moment output, the only difference is the higher energy density means less fuel volume required, however you have introduced additional losses into the system, so will there be that much of a gain ?

The Pellets are easier to sell though as this is what people are looking to buy currently, but once they realise wood chips do the same job as pellets they might become less desirable. Pellets will however "feed" better into the fire tube of the gasifier due to constant controlled dimensions.

So why bother with the stage 2 at all ? You could use the stage 1 rotary moment from the wood chips to do work just as easily. Have a look at the Luton Box Van. A compartment at the front of the box to hold the gasifer, and a massive wood chip hopper above the driver cabin.

Now you would be able to have multiple full size gasifier's, in a sealed compartment in the front of the storage box, with fan venting to atmosphere. An automated fuel feed system to keep you driving for days... the range of this vehicle would be massive!  ;D

RM :)

 
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 16, 2011, 08:27:24 AM
Hello Everyone,

First off I want to issue a safety warning. The fan website I linked to previously predominantly sells inline fans, this means that the motor is inside the fan housing and is cooled by the air that passes over the motor as it is pumped.

The problem we have with inline fans in this application is that they are not pumping air they are pumping hydrogen and carbon monoxide which are both highly explosive gasses. Any kind of short circuit or sparking or overheating in the motor is going to explode the gasses and blow that plastic inline fan housing to pieces. So do not use them!

A much better option would be a centrifugal blower such as is used to pump up bouncy castles. As you can see in the link below they have the motor mounting at 90 degrees to the impeller and are shaft sealed to gain an IP rating. They also pump a large CFM of air and are cheap as chips and second hand ones are all over ebay :)

http://www.airinflatables.co.uk/gibbons_fans_090hp_660w_compact_bouncy_castle_fan.shtml

I have also been looking at another option...

I want an all metal vacuum pump that bolts to my EGU and can be powered by a variety of prime movers to offer flexibility. I could not find one off the shelf so I designed one. I really wanted to prototype this first but I did the math and my finances will not cover it so I have drawn it up for you to pursue if you want to. I am determined one day to actually design something I can afford to build! :)

Ok so lets talk about the Everyman Gasifier Unit Tesla Vacuum Pump...

This unit uses Aluminum Platters from 3.5” Hard Disk Drives as the turbine discs. These can be found everywhere and are very common. Try computer shops who normally chuck them away, the local paper, the local landfill where if you get friendly with the guys who work there and slip them a few quid they might let you have the drives out of the dumped PC's, maybe ebay if you keep your eyes open as sometimes there are job lots of old drives working or faulty and going for about a £ each. Lot's of options here.

Some of the newer drives being sold now use glass platters so avoid these, it's the aluminum you want. Here are some links to read up:

http://www.phys.washington.edu/users/sbtroy/Tesla_Turbine/Tesla_Turbine.html

http://wn.com/tinkerman01

http://hackedgadgets.com/2009/02/27/hard-drive-tesla-turbine/

http://www.ecoenrg.com/2011/06/02/tesla-turbine-from-old-hard-drives-and-minimal-too/

I put the last link up there as an example of what not to do. This person obviously thought it was fun to disrespect a Tesla turbine to such an extent that they spun it up to 22,000 RPM and then held it in their hands. He must have had some serious faith in that yellow tape holding the housing together, either that, or the thought of losing his fingers if something went wrong did not bother him. So let's not go for any Darwin awards while developing this technology ;)

The EGUTVP is based around the same fittings technology as the EGU and so is compatible for airtight sealing and mounting. It only needs a pump shut off valve and a gas flow control valve mounting inline between the EGU and the TVP for a full system.

I have chosen a 2” - 1.25” reducing bush:

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=2395

Because the 1.25” thread will accept a 1.25” parallel nipple. The 1.25” parallel nipple is cut from S40S 1.25” SMLS PIPE and therefore has an ID of 35.05mm as we can see in the link below:

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=5045

This means that the ID is perfect to accept a 35mm OD bearing housing:

http://www.fish4parts.co.uk/Mechanical.80/Bearings.1093/Pop-Metric-Bearings.1/6003_ZZ.C3.99071.html

I have chosen this bearing as it has metal seals and also has a 17mm bore. Two of these bearings mounted in each nipple will provide a very nice unit for mounting the shaft.

The shaft is 0.375” S80S SMLS 316L PIPE with a wall thickness of 3.2mm

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=5089

I have marked on the diagram that the shaft needs to be drilled where the discs are mounted, this is to allow the gas being sucked under vacuum to escape between the discs. Normally I would never suggest using a hollow shaft and then drilling it in a Tesla turbine but in this case the torque loading on the shaft is going to be very low as we are only pumping a very thin gas fluid. Also you can keep the speeds relatively low say 2 – 3000 RPM.

Be sensible about where you drill the holes and distribute them around the shaft in a spiral pattern leaving the maximum amount of material possible between each hole. The holes do not have to be that big, they only have to have a combined area that equals the intake hole which in this case is going to be about 10.74mm.

The disc stack is mounted to the hub via a coupling hub:

http://www.fish4parts.co.uk/Mechanical.80/Flexible-Couplings.18/Jaw-%28RFC-%25252F-HRC%29.1851/Hubs-%25252F-Flanges.185101/HRC-90H-%25252F-RFC09-H-Coupling-Hub-%281108%29.73055.html

http://shop.marksman-ind.com/hrc90-drive-hub-taper-lock-style-3495-p.asp

The last link explains the two different types and determines the direction the taperlock bush is inserted to the coupling which is why you want this on the outside of the disc stack for easy access with an allen key to the grub screws.

http://www.fish4parts.co.uk/Mechanical.80/Taper-Lock-Bushes.17/Metric.1701/1108-Taper-Bush-%2817mm-Bore%29.69765.html

The coupling needs to be drilled where the “feet” protrude every 120 degrees to accept the threaded rod that will mount the disc stack in compression. The platter discs must also be drilled on the correct PCD to match the coupling. So three disc mounting bolts in total should be sufficient.

Be careful about what material you choose for the spacers as dissimilar metal corrosion may prove a problem between the aluminum and steels. Heat Resistant RTV Silicone may allow you to make your spacers by casting and you can use a simple washer of the correct dimensions to make a mold, and brass sleeving tubes to make a master mould for a silicone threaded rod sleeve.

The outer housing is a 4” BSPT Barrel Nipple:

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=2191

The barrel nipple is simply drilled in a line to make the exhaust ports for the pump, if you want to get fancy about it then you can drill it then file a rectangular slot.

We can see that the 4” barrel nipple has an ID of 102.26mm:

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=5067

And the 3.5” HDD platter has a diameter of 3.74” or 95mm:

http://www.storagereview.com/guide/mediaSize.html

This will give a disc tip to housing clearance of approx 3.5mm. If you want to reduce the clearance to increase efficiency then you can use a length of 4” stainless steel exhaust tubing:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4-100mm-T304-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Tube-Pipe-1m-/280599509759?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item415508baff

This is because 4” = 101.6mm and the tubing they use for exhausts is 1.5mm wall thickness. This means that you can sleeve inside the 4” barrel nipple very snugly and fill the gap with RTV Heat Resistant Silicone which will set and exert equal pressure therefore centering the tube sleeve and stopping it moving, especially if you score the outside first before inserting to give the silicone something to grip:

http://www.tomps.com/shop/heat-resistant-rtv-05-kg-p-203.html?osCsid=tus7nbsjahsdkmuluunuj9chg4

This will give you an internal housing bore of 101.6 – 3 = 98.6

98.6 – 95 = 3.6mm

3.6 / 2 = 1.8mm

So the new disc tip to housing clearance is 1.8mm with the sleeving tube which is more efficient than the 3.63mm we get from just the barrel nipple alone.

Make sure you check with the retailer that you are getting 4” tube unless you actually want 100mm tube which will give a 1mm disc tip to housing clearance. The silicone should sort out the gap ok.

The collar converts the 17mm shaft OD to a 28mm OD which will fit the taper lock bush on the pulley:

http://www.bearingboys.co.uk/CABU17Z_-__17mm_Shaft_Collar_-40277-p

http://www.bearingboys.co.uk/1210-28_Taperlock_Bush-2250-p

http://www.bearingboys.co.uk/SPA080_1_V_Pulley-4223-p

Everything that needs locking into place like the parallel nipples, bearings, taper bushes and collars etc needs to be loctited with the high temperature stronger than superman cannot remove it even with napalm stuff!  ;D

That pretty much covers everything I think, hopefully someone will build it and see if works like I think it will. The pulley is going to allow you to use pretty much any prime mover you want, maybe a water wheel for example, or alternatively one of my favourite ideas...

Build a pulley drive train that magnifies the rotary moment by going from big to small with the pulleys and then you might be able to hand crank the EGU into life!

Have fun all :)

RM :)

Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 16, 2011, 09:00:27 PM
Hello Everyone,

I was thinking about hand cranking a vacuum pump to get the gasifier going yesterday, today I am thinking about leg cranking it instead.

A bicycle already has a power transmission and gear system and freewheel assembly built into the frame, so it makes sense that we could connect it to our vacuum pump and pedal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_gears

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freewheel

So that's how I think you can become fully self sufficient with yourself as the prime mover.

This gets the gasifier system running by applying a vacuum and produces fuel (combustible gas).

And here are some other interesting technologies to read about that apply to turbine operation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freehub

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overspeed_%28engine%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprag_clutch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_governor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel

For those of you that like simple elegant solutions and fancy a flywheel or two off the shelf:

http://www.kartcomponents.com/discs.php

http://www.kartcomponents.com/axles.php

http://www.kartcomponents.com/axle-equipment.php

You can build an entire system using this kit that will act as either a pump or a turbine and if you want to can get custom laser cut discs to your own specification.

I particularly like the sprocket carrier with the exhaust holes already machined through the hub. This allows you to simply have a circular oversized hole around the shaft and offers the strongest possible configuration for exhaust or inlet ports, and negates the need to cut them in the disc itself.

Now all you need is a turbine housing...

http://chefset.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=111_112

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/catering-suppliers0121/_i.html?_nkw=stainless+steel+casserole+pot&submit=Search&_sid=650307767

And you are well on your way to a custom pump or turbine assembly for very little $

Have fun :)

RM :)





Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 16, 2011, 09:17:39 PM
Hi Everyone,

I forgot to mention that if you strip the Sprags out of a Sprag Clutch and replace the centre hub with a vented Sprocket Carrier Hub and then got yourself some custom discs laser cut, you would only need to mod the casing to accept a fluid injection port  ;D

Add some custom laser cut side plates and some High Temperature Cork Gasket and you have a very high quality turbine unit  ;D

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/High-Temperature-Gasket-Material-/230623741858?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35b23f07a2

Just be mindfull that the Sprocket Carrier Hubs are aluminum and so if you plan on running a Hot Rotor you might need to have them made in Steel instead :)

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 18, 2011, 05:29:59 PM
Hello Everyone,

I have finished the design for the Kelly Kettle conversion. Using exhaust adaptor sleeves and components it should be simple and quick to do.

I have measured my Kelly Kettle and the central chimney tube at the top has an OD of 60mm, and an ID of 57mm. Carefully cut off the rolled over lip and you will be able to clamp a 60mm ID to 57mm ID exhaust adaptor sleeve.

2.25” Exhaust tube has an OD of 57mm so can be tightly fitted to extend down inside the chimney chamber. By using fire sealant on both the tube and the adaptor sleeve before clamping an air tight seal should be formed.

The 2.25” (57mm) Exhaust tube being standard should be easy to connect to a silencer box fuel hopper using a straight or adaptor sleeve depending on your silencer box inlet size preference.

Drill a hole through the kettle's inner wall which is easy to access via the water fill port on the top side of the kettle. Remove the rolled over lip and then you can fit a 47mm ID adaptor sleeve and apply sealant before clamping. Use a length of pipe of desired OD to tap the gas away from the kettle and then attach a suitable bore flexible silicone hose to run the gas to your engine intake.

Drill a round hole in the bottom of the inverted base and fit a BSPP Male Bulkhead (tank connector). Apply sealant and clamp the backnut tight. This will be an additional ash sump and also will allow you to seal it with an end cap. You can now remove the end cap and light the shaker basket directly with a gas torch, once lit just screw the taper end cap back on for an airtight seal.

http://www.flowfitonline.com/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_BSP_MALE_x_BSP_MALE_BULKHEAD_WITH_LOCKNUT_155.html

http://www.valves-online.co.uk/acatalog/Home_BULKHEAD_TANK_CONNECTOR_c_w_BACKNUTS_198.html

Very Simple!

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: evolvingape on June 22, 2011, 03:40:33 AM
Hello Everyone,

I have put two new videos up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUK6RK6kHJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvo4JUwEbUE

The first shows how you can simply make a Shaker Handle Assembly that can be sealed airtight for your EGU. This is for static operation of the EGU, vehicle mounted EGU's will not need a shaker handle assembly due to the vibration of the vehicle.

The second video shows how I think you can make an all metal Tesla Vacuum Pump for priming of the EGU system. Luckily I had some BF20 hubs to prototype that were originally going to be used in the now cancelled HELT project. I have gone as far as my budget will allow so you will have to complete the project if this design interests you.

http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/specialoffers/linksavecontainer.jsp?promoId=ls66351&referrer=cookiesDetecting

http://www.technobotsonline.com/shafts-and-adaptors/taper-bushes-and-hubs/bf-bolt-on-hubs.html

All of the mounting hardware can be bought together from Fish4Parts. This is the cheapest by far I could find:

http://fish4parts.co.uk/

Hopefully someone will complete this project and hook it up to a push bike to prove that it will work for priming of an EGU system. The system can also be simply extended to provide as much pumping capability as you need. All of the other parts required have already been described in the EGUTVP post reply #146.

Have fun  ;D

RM :)
Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: triffid on August 11, 2011, 10:37:03 PM
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Title: Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
Post by: Moffaka on November 10, 2017, 10:46:45 AM
OK...

I have had enough...

Time to stop fucking about...

Watch this:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/time-team/4od/player/2928283

Then read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_carbon

Then read this:

http://tu-dresden.de/die_tu_dresden/fakultaeten/fakultaet_maschinenwesen/iet/vws/Veroeffentlichungen/Beckmann_90-07/Be-70.pdf

Then read this:

http://www.ratical.org/renewables/hempseed1.html

Then watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

Then read this:

http://phoenixtears.ca/

Then realise that you can make your own Syngas reactor out of clay in your back garden, that adds carbon content.

The fuel is Hemp waste and the Reactor itself, a ceramic.

You have grown the HIGH THC version and stripped the seeds to eat and keep you healthy.

http://napasechnik.com

You have stripped the oil from the plant to cure your diseases.

http://current.com/news/89799784_marijuana-cuts-lung-cancer-tumor-growth-in-half-harvard-study-shows.htm

You have used the Biomass to make food to stop you going hungry.

You have stripped the fibres from the stalk to make every product that you currently get from oil.

The waste goes into your reactor to make fuel.

A perfect marriage of Iron age / Medieval technology to produce the fuel... and modern technology to utilise it efficiently.

You all getting the point ?

RM :)

And remember this:

Your enemy wears your face, wears your clothes, speaks your language. You identify them by their actions. If they attempt to deprive you of your universal given right to life by deception, coercion or force. They have no rights.

We are all terminal...

Act accordingly...

RM :)
Okay, persuaded. Went to grow;)