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Author Topic: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser  (Read 122947 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2011, 05:48:55 PM »
RM
Which Plastic will you be Brewing?
Thanks
Chet
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I see many things in his Paper that look OH so familiar?
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Who's "Bowser" And Why don't we like him??
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 06:09:40 PM by ramset »

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #76 on: May 13, 2011, 06:12:10 PM »
Hi Chet,

I am not going to be brewing any plastic at all to start with. I am going to start with wood chips and make some Syngas :) Here's why:

http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy00osti/27983.pdf

In the section "How does the Gasifier Work ?" it says this:

"The Vermont project demonstrates a process called lowpressure, indirect gasification of biomass. The process mixes wood chips with very hot sand at a temperature of about 830°C, or 1500°F, in a steel tank called a gasifier. The hot sand breaks down the wood and, helped by added steam, causes the resulting carbon, hydrogen, and
oxygen to form into combustible gases. The gases and sand leave the gasifier and the gas is cleaned for use as fuel. (See diagram above.) This fuel burns cleanly with a heat content of about 500 Btu per cubic foot (about half the heat content of natural gas), which qualifies it as a medium-heat content gas. This gas can be used directly in unmodified gas turbines. However, McNeil burned the gas in its wood-fired boiler during the startup and evaluation periods."

Remember when I said the Linear Firing Valve was designed by me to utilise any amount of HHO produced ? Well, The GECV is an adaptation of the LFV and so will allow me to utilise any amount of Syngas produced.

I am working right now on a design for a mini turbine to go with the mini gasifier and I will hopefully put it up here for you later tonight. The GECV along with the Mk3 Injector (running in mechanical only mode because the fluid efficiency of the insert will be negatively impacted by pitting) will allow me to use a Syngas / Atomised Water / HHO from a Dry Cell mix to directly drive the mini turbine. Then I run a PMA from the output shaft using a pulley as a dry slip friction clutch to prevent the turbine stalling.

Once I have got it all running and tested and I will look at self looping the mini Gasifier and see if there is any Syngas left to run the mini turbine.

So quite a lot on my plate to take plastic on at the moment. Besides I think in order to utilise plastic effectively there will need to be a two stage process. A first processing stage in a large reactor like Jetijs is doing, that produces an oil fuel, that I can inject into the Reactor design of kelly kettle, because the liquid fuel will be easy to refill without taking the Reactor apart and is also a very dense form of energy storage that will produce a lot of gas volume for very little liquid volume.

I have not started on working out the plumbing fittings yet to tap the Syngas out of the bottom of the mini gasifier. And I still need to learn more about the Gasifiers in general as I am a newbie to all this.

So, the Syngas is doable for me as I already have a Kelly Kettle, and the turbine design is nearly finished. Seems a sensible place to start as has been pointed out my chemistry is not up to scratch for plastic... yet ;)

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #77 on: May 13, 2011, 06:22:03 PM »
RM
I just Like you More and more all the time!
Very cool Concept!
Thanks
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #78 on: May 13, 2011, 10:34:55 PM »
Hi Everyone,

A new simplified Mini Turbine design for use with a Syngas Gasifier. The diagrams are pretty standard with a few important changes.

When I say Mini Turbine it will still be reasonably substantial, with a 9 to 10 Inch diameter disc stack, to maximise the time component for working fluid interaction.

Probably best to go with Ken Riely's Winglet design as this is proven as the highest performing boundary layer turbine currently known.

The Central Ring Housing Plates are quite radical in design and are cut from a thick plate of 316 Stainless Steel by Waterjet. This saves you having to source a ring of suitable material and dimensions. The thickness of the plate chosen must equal the sum of the clearances between the side plates and discs, the clearance between the discs, and the thickness of the discs.

Check what angle the Waterjet cuts at, if it is not zero degrees then there will be a slight taper to the ring that will be undesirable and impact efficiency. This can be removed by routing if you have that facility and make an exact template.

The part I have marked A on the Central Ring Housing Plates would normally be thrown away as scrap, however keep it. This should be drilled and reamed smooth through its length with the same diameter as the OD of the parallel flow tube pipe. The parallel flow tube is then hammered in interference fit with some high temperature Loctite or other sealant and then ground to the shape of the ring.

The part marked A is then welded into the Central Ring Housing Plates and the pipe can be threaded to mount the GECV. Be careful when welding as the part that touches the side plates either side must be milled perfectly flat. If you grind the weld flat it will not be even and will allow pressure to bleed. Mill it or do not weld it at all, at least then the side plates will still mount perfectly flush.

If you ask the Waterjet people to cut the ring separately first, and you ordered two sets then you will have 2 very heavy discs for prototyping another turbine at a future date (add any holes you will want to the design now or you will have to drill them later). Make sure you check with the programmer where he is going to start the cut as the jet will “cut in” to locate before beginning to cut the ring, you do not want this “cut in” on the ring itself or you will ruin your efficiency.

When the turbine is finally bolted together apply a ring of suitable sealant or ceramic paper might work as mentioned in the HHO PCT thread, but unknown at this time if it is effective and it might not handle water very well.

The part marked B is to make a suitable round hole for the rotor mount bolts and also to allow the exhaust fluid to escape. This would normally be thrown away as scrap also but keep it and add rotor mount bolt holes to the design (which must be cut first before the ring) and it becomes the deflection ring to protect your hub and bearings.

Not a single bit of any of the material is wasted so take it all home! :)

Before deciding if a 2 disc turbine is right for you read reply #10 in the link below and then factor in the difficulty of manufacture more discs in the stack and housing requires:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10274.0

Any questions just ask...

RM :)


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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2011, 01:31:06 AM »
OK...

I have had enough...

Time to stop fucking about...

Watch this:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/time-team/4od/player/2928283

Then read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_carbon

Then read this:

http://tu-dresden.de/die_tu_dresden/fakultaeten/fakultaet_maschinenwesen/iet/vws/Veroeffentlichungen/Beckmann_90-07/Be-70.pdf

Then read this:

http://www.ratical.org/renewables/hempseed1.html

Then watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

Then read this:

http://phoenixtears.ca/

Then realise that you can make your own Syngas reactor out of clay in your back garden, that adds carbon content.

The fuel is Hemp waste and the Reactor itself, a ceramic.

You have grown the HIGH THC version and stripped the seeds to eat and keep you healthy.

http://www.cannabis-seeds.co.uk/

You have stripped the oil from the plant to cure your diseases.

http://current.com/news/89799784_marijuana-cuts-lung-cancer-tumor-growth-in-half-harvard-study-shows.htm

You have used the Biomass to make food to stop you going hungry.

You have stripped the fibres from the stalk to make every product that you currently get from oil.

The waste goes into your reactor to make fuel.

A perfect marriage of Iron age / Medieval technology to produce the fuel... and modern technology to utilise it efficiently.

You all getting the point ?

RM :)

And remember this:

Your enemy wears your face, wears your clothes, speaks your language. You identify them by their actions. If they attempt to deprive you of your universal given right to life by deception, coercion or force. They have no rights.

We are all terminal...

Act accordingly...

RM :)


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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2011, 04:18:40 AM »
RM
Which Plastic will you be Brewing?
Thanks
Chet
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Mr.Goose
 Catalyst ??
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10722.0
I see many things in his Paper that look OH so familiar?
PPS
Who's "Bowser" And Why don't we like him??

Chet, good stuff mate.  I was hoping one of you guys would spot the article and make the link.  CATALYTIC people....NOT electrolytic cracking of water!!!  Electrolytic will always have you WAY behind and you will never catch up in the energy stakes.  CATALYTIC cracking you can take other elements and via the 'atomic' process use the energy that each element contain to dance a merry entanglement with each other. 

Let me ask you this...you are faced with a big iron door and behind it is a treasure.  IF this door is 5 inches thick of solid steel and you only have a sledge hammer and a strong arm, given time (a lot of time) through hammering (resonance) you can smash your way through.  If that is your only task, it might take you weeks, it might take you years but you will get there.  HOWEVER, you have burned an immense amount of energy to do so right?!  This is what electrolysis is like.  Wasteful and hopeless.  NOW, imagine the door has a lock....YES this is a very strong one, the LAWS that bind the atoms together and govern the energetics of the universe for each element are strong.  However, for each of these locks is a key that makes the task so much simpler.  Given the correct key (or fiddling the lock under certain circumstances), these elements glide together 'interfacing' and then open up to form a new product (like syngas).  The end result is less work....more energy.  This is a simple way of looking at the catalytic process.  There are still other methods outside of this.

Will I be gasifiying plastic??  I doubt it.  All that matters is what YOU decide to do Chet.  I have my path which I am already on and you have yours to take.

Bowser?  You Americans don't know this term I didnt realise?  Another word for fuel pump.
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bow·ser
(bou-zer)

 - noun Australian and New Zealand
a gasoline pump at a filling station.

Origin:
1930–35;  said to be after S.F. Bowser  and Co., a Sydney manufacturer of gasoline and oil storage systems
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Just like the Americans calling a Refridgerator a 'Westinghouse' or a Vacuum Cleaner a 'Hoover' I guess.

@RM - You seem to be getting fired up mate LOL.  Yes Hemp is a great product with loads of uses.

Best
« Last Edit: May 14, 2011, 08:10:14 AM by ElectricGoose »

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2011, 12:03:54 PM »
Haha yes I was fired up last night, been having a drink with friends discussing the deliberate genocide of the worlds children. If there is a subject to fire me up, that's it. I know I should not post after a few but hey... times a ticking.

The point was about the furnace.

The Time Team episode showed the iron age technology of a fire in a pit, and the medieval technology of a furnace for firing pots. They also showed the simple process of making one.

The clay furnace can be made to any design very simply. All pipes and chambers are just voids in the clay and you can control the temperature.

If we can come up with a simple design to make a furnace that instead of making bricks makes gas, then no exotic material will be required to make a reactor, and everyone can have one, even the poor.

Effectively it would mean anyone could build a miniature power station in the back garden to provide fuel for the house.

Hemp is a great product and it grows very fast, they do not call it a weed for nothing. The food and health benefits are the bonus. If your going to grow anything for fuel then you might as well grow that.

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2011, 03:46:31 PM »
Mr. Goose
Chester's still in school!,And I don't like Banging my head against that door!
Just Like RM I like HHO,and just as RM is refining a new "Harvest" Technique
with his Turbine,I feel that HH0 will ultimately be a good fuel for our planet!
  In studying the Plastic to fuel I see Dioxin being talked about ,This is troubling, unless The Plastic can definately be identified always as "safe to proccess".
I could "Never" start down a road that Poisons the planet!
Still Studying..................
Thanks Fellows
Chet

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2011, 05:24:40 PM »
Hey Chet,

I was musing on what you said about HHO in your last reply and I had an interesting thought.

Think about how a bullet works. A primary explosive is inside the primer cap which is struck by the firing pin and this explosive then explodes, setting off the main less sensitive charge inside the casing.

If we were to use HHO as the primary explosive as has already been suggested and we were to pre mix this with atomised water just before injection to the chamber then one of two things will happen.

Either the HHO detonation will cause the atomised water to then detonate also, or, the atomised water will not detonate but will instantly vaporise and turn to steam.

Both of these possibilities will create a pressure wave that then has to force it's way through the water already in the turbine supplied by the K valve.

So we could end up with a 100% water powered turbine that only has very small energy needs to run.

Small amounts of HHO provide the primer to detonate and the gas expansion from either atomised water detonation or atomised water vaporisation provides the main impulse working fluid.

How's that sound to you ?

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2011, 06:02:19 PM »
RM
Knowing what I do about turbines,Your ideas give me "Goose Bumps"!
It all just Flows.............

It also frustrates me because of what I know about turbines![very hard to play at home]!

Chet

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2011, 11:43:38 PM »
Hi Chet,

I am glad you think the information flows as that tells me I have done a good job in communicating my thoughts.

Hopefully turbines are not so difficult now for people to begin playing with at home, it is the way forward and so a way needed to be found to make that happen.

Your all quite lucky that I have never had much money, this forced me to improvise and work as cheap as possible without compromising safety, in the hope I could afford to build some of my stuff one day. If I had the resources to build whatever I wanted it would all have been custom one off components designed for a specific prototype.

It appears there is method in the universe's madness...

Anyway, I had one of those “how could you be so stupid” moments earlier which has moved things forward quite substantially.

The issue was sealing. When I first started working on the sealing problem for the HHO PCT it was purely a hot rotor running from the LFV. This meant that temperatures were very high and was why I gravitated towards ceramic gaskets.

It was not until after I had done the thinking on the hot rotor sealing that I decided to use the K Valve system to cool the rotor. So when I came to write it all up for you I simply pulled it out of my mind in the order I had worked on it.

The problem was I never went back and looked at sealing again even though I had added water cooling to the engine.

I have now gone back and looked at the issue again while I was working on the Mini Turbine and realised my error.

Syngas is not going to run as hot as HHO, and now the rotor is water cooled as part of the pressure wave buffering concept of the two different working fluids within the rotor. This means we could probably use cork gasket material in exactly the same way as a cork head gasket on an ICE.

http://www.rhnuttall.co.uk/Materials/Cork.html

The beauty of this is that cork provides excellent water tight and air tight capabilities and there is already a massive industry around to provide custom cut gaskets. You can order gaskets in the same way as you order the waterjet cut disks.

I have put up a modified prototype diagram to show you only need two gaskets that seal the ring plates to the side plates when the rotor is compressed.

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #86 on: May 16, 2011, 03:12:31 AM »
OK lads, you ready for the next step in your educative evolution?  No puns intended Mr Ape.   :)

So, you are beginning to see that the Catalytic process is the way to go and that one can EASILY achieve beyond 80% fuel efficiency with this method.  However, is this as good as it gets?  Hell no!  There are ways hybridize this proccess so that you dont need to mess with heaters, preheaters, huge gasifying tanks and the like.  You just have to SEE what is going on.  These devices can get so small they fit in the palm of your hand.

Related to Gasifiers are Reformers which produce Hydrogen for use in PEMFC's or (Proton Exchange Membrane Fuel Cells).  There are many ways to 'reform' fuel (cold and hot) with marked differences in efficiency and energy output.

DONT LET THE WORD 'FUEL CELL' AND THOUGHTS OF PLATINUM PLATES ETC SCARE YOU.  For now, we are not focussing on the PEMFC part (where the hydrogen is pushed through fuel cell membrane to produce electrical current) but rather examining the plasma gas reformer which produces the hydrogen efficiently.  If you understand the energy process and how to interface the keys, it is not necessary to buy expensive materials in order to 'produce' energy.

Here is a paper that is VERY EASY reading.  The plasma reformer you can make at home produces Hydrogen and other gases if utilizing ethanol and water.  This is very easy to construct and makes the HHO booster look like a caveman joke (which it is).  Properly tuned, this cell will EASILY run your vehicle at the 60% efficiency stakes.  Build a sizeable one and you are off petroleum entirely and burning only small amounts of ethanol with mainly water.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:huD6vn6QSa8J:pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlepdf/2005/cc10.1039/b412552e+miniature+pemfc+hydrogen+reformer&hl=en&gl=au&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjSFqUgfGmnFSbPaNquyz_UhTaq20BGMmIR_-10TBcddL-bEVZ_N0YVcFOBCKzLP_7mxM4s8t34b4P4nE-sKgKO4508He48ybDFPvWJ16ZR2wUOEKAm0ihhcuGJna7tl8cSMu81&sig=AHIEtbRWqYCp_mWkfHA5KKKKeg8Vb8VSWg

Open your minds people.  Youre still not thinking big enough.

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #87 on: May 16, 2011, 11:43:31 AM »
It's ok Mr Goose, you can poke fun at me, I don't mind ;)

The more you learn the less you know...

Very interesting article you put up there, certainly got my attention!

I did a little digging and it appears tow is the keyword we need for finding carbon fibres:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tow

"In the composites industry, a tow is an untwisted bundle of continuous filaments, and it refers to man-made fibres, particularly carbon fibres (also called graphite)."

So now we know what we are looking for we can find this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Carbon-Fibre-24K-Tow-20-Metres-Ultra-High-Modulus-/330565005324?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item4cf735b00c

and there is lot's more available on the web:

http://www.microflight.com/Carbon-Tow-6K-6000-strand

http://www.easycomposites.co.uk/Departments/carbon-fibre-tow-tape-unidrectional.aspx

http://www.fibreglast.com/product/24K_Carbon_Tow_2293/156

I was thinking perhaps we could use some heat shrink tubing to compress multiple bundles into a tube:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=heat+shrink+tube&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Seems like I now have an excuse to dust off my 5000V DC power supply for a new application, but not sure yet if it will be appropiate as the Amps are very low. Something for me to think about anyway :)

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #88 on: May 16, 2011, 12:28:41 PM »
RM

Certainly not making fun of you mate  ;)

Regarding your HV DC power supply, the 5000VDC should be more than enough to start some testing.  If you have some inductors, and HV caps and a Ignition Coil you can make a spark gap oscillator and beef up the output.


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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #89 on: May 16, 2011, 01:07:41 PM »
Good advice Mr Goose, Thanks :)

I will have to read up on spark gap oscillators before I can make one, I am not an EE and all my limited knowledge is self taught.

This certainly looks like an experiment that I can do within my budget, with the equipment I already have, so interested in this :)

Things are moving so fast at the moment it is hard to focus.

RM :)

 

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