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Author Topic: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser  (Read 121220 times)

Offline evolvingape

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2011, 04:04:43 AM »
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    RM
    Waste plastic is a monsterous Problem!
    Turning it into a resource such as a fuel woulsd be "HUGE"!

    The idea of setting up a supply line for recycling in this manner would be very appealing!
    The "Processer" and the troubles associated with it are the weakest link in this?
    IMO the place to start is there,get a good reliable "reactor" the rest will follow![This would be Oh so Cool!:=}

    BTW Mr.Goose
    I have to say That 50/50 bench mark you speak of [to start]
    Very Cool,
    I picked up Half a dozen old VW 1.6 diesels recently,Might play with a
    bit of "soup"!
    Have you got a "Recipe" to start the ball rolling?

    Thanks
    Chet


Chet

Wow...you guys are terrible.  :-)  You give me a hard time about not suggesting better ways for energy and now Im stuck in this thread LOL.

@ Evolving Ape - LOVELY design man...but dont reinvent the wheel.

I'm a big fan of RESEARCH and READING.  It may take many hours but aquiring knowledge is less expensive and more time efficient than building something in your garage only to find out that some fella has accomplished the same task 100 years ago.  Sadly, much of that goes on at these forums.

Chet, even though I gave you guys two choices right at the start (emulsifier or none OR bubbler),  whilst the chemical/organic emulsifier route has you burning water/oil alloy fuel much quicker (due to simplicity), I would suggest you go the route that Evolving Ape is looking at so you dont have the hassle of mixing emulsifier and any issues with residue in the engine.

We have already discussed a little on 'mechanical' means of agitating the water into a fuel oil emulsion but dont forget others options like sonic/acoustic cavitation.  No real moving parts and it uses minimal energy to mush the water and oil into a nice soup.

Here is a company that already sells units that are tried and tested.  Do we hear anything about this???  Hell no.  You can buy them to attach onto your furnace or under the hood of the car and they mix a minimum 35% water with oil.

Don't forget what I said about oil and water....the ratio is going to vary according to the type of oil you use and only testing will give YOU the guaranteed numbers.  Heavier the oil, the less you have to use.  It can be recycled out of a chip fryer it does not matter.  Just make sure you have run it through a basic fine filter to get all the 'particles' out.

Theres a lot of great second hand stuff out there that you dont have to build and can be 'cogged together' so as to achieve multiple purposes.  Small compressors, venturi tubes, etc etc.  Think outside the box and you will barely have to make anything yourself.

Have a look at this - http://www.3rdrockenergy.com/save.html

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2011, 04:06:02 AM »
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Further along the lines of sonic cavitation....check this out from 1975.  Take a gander at the design - SIMPLICITY.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=cKSqa8u3EIoC&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=ultrasonic+fuel+mixer&source=bl&ots=A732pb4uI_&sig=x2v3cTTykNw95LVOUZ-_jKeHmk0&hl=en&ei=jqvHTYOXMczhrAfB9OjVBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

This just shows what ultrasonic ATOMIZATION does.  The mileage improved 22 - 28%

  In this case it doesnt even introduce water....just imagine the mileage if it did!!!!!!!!

Ultrasonics within a enclosed space are capable of producing destructive cavitation and some companies use this to 'cold boil' water and oil together 'smashing' them into micron fine beaded emulsion far superior to that of a mechanical mixer.

Its all good!

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2011, 04:08:01 AM »
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Hey Chet,

Yes this conversation is bringing up some very interesting directions to pursue...

You heard about all the plastic floating in the sea in what they are calling the dead zone ? It's supposed to be the size of Texas or something like that. This technology could turn all that plastic into energy and would be as simple as parking a few big generator ships in the middle of it.

The added beauty of this is that all the water you could ever want and the plastic are in the same place so I see no problems implementing this.

Mr Goose...

I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, I simply took the wheel that had been invented and made the variables customisable for the experimenter.

On another note you got me thinking, there was a project I was playing around with a few years back that utilised off the shelf technology that can be adapted to what we are talking about here.

This is my interpretation of the Paint Spraygun Water Fuel Atomiser Injection System...

As we can see there is a heat source and a saucepan full of water. The Spraygun paint pot is suspended in the water to prevent hot spots and is evenly heated by the boiling water.

Plastic is dropped into the chamber and then the chamber is sealed. The plastic melts and gives off oil vapour.

The pressurised water is connected to what used to be the air inlet. When the trigger is pressed the water flows over the venturi and oil vapour is sucked into the water stream.

This is fed to the atomiser for mixing and then goes off to the Injector Rail of the engine.

Is that simple enough for you ? ;)

RM :)

Also, if you wanted to use the Stainless Steel Kelly Kettle as the heat source then you would never have to worry about fuel, you could use twigs off the ground.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/sp18c-spray-gun/path/spray-guns-spraying-equipment-air-brushes

http://www.kellykettle.com/Kelly-Kettles/Stainless-Steel-Trekker-Kelly-Kettle%C2%AE-0.57-Ltr-/-1-pint.html

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2011, 04:09:29 AM »
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This is basically what Paul Pantone was doing in a different way, if we mix all this with hho, we can probably get something very good

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2011, 04:10:50 AM »
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Now lets take that whole concept one step further and nearly finish the picture of what a under the hood simple refinery is starting to look like my dear fellows.

Remember the World War 2 Gasifier that turns wood into gas that can be used on internal combustion engines???  Well Mr Evolving Ape....thats basically what you have there in your plastic recycler!!  Except, you have a far MORE volatile fuel (in plastic) that is still carbon based and will emit a more explosive fume than wood alone.

Please read up on actually what happens in a gasifier -  Moisture in the timber is crucial to the process

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasification

Heres a fella who stutters something awful and has made the crudest lovely gasifier from a paint tin and old can of bake beans -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgu9BdHeUYg

Add water mist to this and we are now up to 100% recycling stakes, "goodbye to the bowser".  In fact you dont need ADDITIONAL water to run an engine with a gasifier, it is that volatile and efficient.  However because we are talking about recycling horrible plastic with all those nasty chemicals, you will want to 'wash' the fumes via the in cyclinder combustion, which will eradicate almost all of this.

I'm not sure how many of you know this, but there is a nice little refinery that exists in the States which runs off patented technology which turns ALL OIL BASED plastics/rubber/synthetics/etc back into refined fuel.  The entire plant is actually the largest OU device in the world because it uses its own fuel (from the recycling process) with ManyX more output of refined fuel left to sell back to the consumer.  Yet...where is this technology???  Why arent they making these plants for every City/Power plant/ vehicle???  Yeh...money of course.  Obviously we shouldnt be making plastic in the first place but until that day, these plants would be great to get rid of toxic landfill and Ocean pollution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNcht2x4m8g

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2011, 04:13:03 AM »
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Hello Everyone,

This thread is becoming very productive... it's so much better when all the kiddies play nicely together! ;D

It has been years since I even thought about gasifiers, and then I did not pay them much attention as I was far too busy with my turbines which are not based on hydrocarbon fuel.

My interest has been rekindled and I am going to give this subject some serious thought :)

If "TheOne" fancies adding HHO to the mix then it will be simple, I have already shown you how to do this... See pictures below and combine them into one device ;)

As a tip...

Schedule 80 316 Seamless 1/8 pipe has an OD of 10.3mm.

1/2 BSP hydraulic equal hexagon nipple fittings have an internal bore of about 11.9mm.

This means that the pipe can be sleeved perfectly into the fitting using just two pieces of brass tubing sleeve of the correct size. 1off K&S 7/16 x 0.14 (11.1mm x 0.355mm) Stock #137 and 1off K&S 15/32 x 0.14 (11.92mm x 0.355mm) Stock #138.

The HELIS insert is then centred in the ID bore of the pipe and then add electricity...

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2011, 04:14:12 AM »
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Hi Everyone,

Here is an updated Injector diagram factoring in HHO production.

It is going to be really interesting to see what kind of fuel energy we can generate with a device like this...

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2011, 04:15:21 AM »
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Hi Everyone,

Here is an inline filter at 10 Microns that might work very well as an atomiser with the Injector Mk2...

Just make sure it is electrically isolated from the circuit or the stainless steel filter will disappear!

http://www.magnafuel.com/products/accessories/filters/

RM :)

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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2011, 04:16:51 AM »
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Hi Everyone,

Here is a good Loctite for sleeving... 638 Maximum Strength :)

It is highly viscous (gloopy) and works on clearances up to 0.25mm. It should electrically isolate the sleeves from the circuit if you do it right. Check it with a multimeter :)

You will also need ½ BSP Fixed Female Tees and ½ BSP Male x Male Adaptor (the tubes are sleeved in the adaptor and the adaptor screws into the tees)

This is a very exciting development we have created between us... anyone else notice the abnormally high number of people on the site today ? :)

RM :)

http://www.bearingboys.co.uk/Loctite_638_Maximum_Strength_Retaining_Compound_50ml-847-p#

http://www.customfittings.co.uk/brochures/CF100D2003/Default.html

http://www.nero.co.uk/3000lb_pipe_fittings

http://www.burnettandhillman.co.uk/en/

http://www.zx55.com/shopexd.asp?id=4512

http://www.cotswoldengineeringsupplies.co.uk/Hydraulic%20Adaptors/adaptorsproducts.php?item=BTFF&inthere=&line=Hydraulic%20Adaptors

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2011, 04:18:03 AM »
Blest Technology
One of Many links on the web
http://thecoolgadgets.com/blest-company-plastic-to-oil-machine-home-plastic-recycling-made-easy/

I can see a nice little Cottage industry popping up from this,{sorta like the old "Moonshine" Biz ;D]

Chet

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2011, 04:18:07 AM »
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RM
I will have to look for the Link ,A Chinese fellow Built a Portable plastic waste proccessor that he took to Third world countries to make Fuel on demand,Very small [home garbage compacter sized].I don't know if he's from the same company as the Big Plants E Goose Mentioned?

We had a brief discussion on this Here ,but it was decided it wasn't for the faint of heart !

I know this can be done  safely ,it just requires some safety Protocol be followed!
This I can Do!!

Good stuff
Chet

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2011, 04:19:15 AM »
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Hey Chet,

Cool :)

I did not find out about plastic into oil technology until a few weeks ago when I heard about the Japanese guy via Rumormillnews. I was impressed, but it was not until the conversation with Mr Goose I realised the potential for gasification injectors. Thankyou Mr Goose!

The fact that HELIS technology is perfectly suited for integration is a big bonus!!

I have been thinking about it and if we were to use a heater element to start the gasification process powered by the battery then once the engine is running we can turn the heater element off. We insert the plastic boiler water system in between the engine and the radiator and use waste engine heat to continue making gas.

If we also upgrade the alternator to a PMA we are saving power that can be used to run a Dry Cell and we can also add HHO into the mix in the same way as the gas. I have put up the Mk3 Injector to show the same venturi effect for a HHO feed. Just watch that the HELIS insert does not erode too badly via electrolysis, if it does then don't use it in this way and just take a HHO feed from a Dry Cell. When (if) the titanium plating technology is proven then that will prevent HELIS insert erosion.

Also, this might interest you:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cpp2-pressurised-paint-container/path/spray-guns-spraying-equipment-air-brushes

Perfect for what we need I think!

I was also thinking about processing the plastic into liquid for storage as well. If you were to melt the plastic down into a liquid and then pour it into a container smaller than the pressure container, and then allow it to cool... You would have solidified plastic pellets the perfect size.

Refuelling your car would be as simple as dropping a new plastic pellet in and filling the tank with water.

The only thing you gotta watch out for is plastics with a high melting temperature such as polypropylene which is over 100 C, they might not melt.

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2011, 04:21:35 AM »
E Goose
Very nice place you have here!
For me Making Fuel from waste plastic ,the way "Blest" the Japanese Comp Does Would be A good Goal.
  Making the Gas [Liquid Or Vapor] Then Running the whole process In a Loop Plus Extra!,Thats My kind of OU!!
AS I recall User Resin Rat commented something about a narrow Temp window where the magic happens ,He intimated that it wouldn't be easy
for the Doit Yourself crowd!

This may have been for the Tougher plastics ,I also remember something about 400 degrees F?

An 80% return is Stupifying ,We gotta give this a go...........

I am most definately going to play with this!
I hope Resin Rat can share some of the Chemistry involved with this?
I will Pm him ,And Beg is Input here................
Thanks
Chet

Chet

Very nice to have you and RM enthusiatic.  When I told you guys originally that less than 5% 'fuel' to water ratio is more than achievable, I wasnt kidding.  In fact the numbers can get very low indeed.

One of the MANY things you have to let go of is 'common perception' or the herd thinking...some call it the sheeple mind.  Society is so hopelessly blinded that unless you first let go of EVERYTHING, you cannot then start afresh to assess where the truth lies.   

Unfortunately, these forums are often a further distortion of the sheeple mind because now you have a group of people perhaps focussing on one way to make alternate energy when that way is so incredibly inefficient!!!  HHO is a classic example of this.  One idea that has taken off in order to supposedly save you gas bills but it is so much hard work when the actual truth is so very much simpler.

BTW...for all you HHO lovers out there....Im not saying there ISNT a way to crack water into its gas efficiently for fuel!  What I am saying is this - IF YOU CURRENTLY DONT KNOW HOW TO CRACK WATER AND THINK THE WAY IS VIA ELECTROLYSIS OR FANCY PWM ALONE THEN YOU ARE IN FOR A LONG HARD ROAD OF EXPENSE AND DISAPPOINTMENT.  I am only trying to save you this and suggest other ways that are so very efficient at cracking the energy from water.

Question everything....and then try attempt the impossible.

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2011, 04:25:59 AM »
I like this concept to recycle plastic or rubber, recycling car tire would be very great and so easy to get and free.

To get a car/truck to run 100% from it, what is the size of the reactor that we need, you will probably never able to
put in the engine bay where all the heat is located?

If you put in the trunk the problem is to get move the eat from the engine bay in the reactor.

My dear fellow....youre damning yourself before you have even started!!  :-)

An efficient reactor suitable for a 4 cylinder engine could fit in the palm of your hand.  As far as heat goes, there is plenty to be had around the exhaust which is outside the engine bay.  You spread the components around and there is plenty of room.

Best

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2011, 04:26:33 AM »
Ok guys I have finished all the reposts that I feel were pertinent to the discussion.

I have left the HHO information in there as in my opinion we simply do not know enough about this technology yet and it would be premature to exclude it on current assumptions.

It might just be the curious guy that gives it a go that makes the breakthrough, so I feel it is only right that they have the knowledge available if they want it. (Plus I personally love HHO  :P)

I think I am going to put up a summary and maybe a new better graphic when I have had a chance to sleep on all this, this technology has really got me excited in a way that has been absent for a while. It is getting my full attention... that's for sure  ;D

RM :)

 

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