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Author Topic: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser  (Read 121972 times)

Offline Cherryman

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #105 on: May 19, 2011, 08:03:28 PM »
I see you guys talked also about catalysts,

Remember this one?  2007 !   

Just water touching it creates instant steam over 100 degrees .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAM6dRaVhWg

I think the stuff was classified immediately after this broadcast  ;)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #106 on: May 19, 2011, 08:12:42 PM »
MIT Plasmatron & Arvin Meritor

The “plasmatron” ( a plasma source having coaxial cylindrical electrodes with a swirling gas flow to ameliorate electrode erosion) was invented in Russia in the 1970′s.
The inventor, Rabinovich, was able to find a job at MIT and, when H2 generation/fuel conversion/NOx removal was at a rage, worked w/Cohn & Bromberg at MIT on a plasmatron for fuel conversion and generating H2 reductant for NOx removel.

Arvin Meritor became an industrial backer of the device, hoping to find a large market for it. People wonder ‘What ever became of the MIT/Arvin Meritor plasmatron?’ – it seemed to work so well.
 
No conspiracy here: the device did work well for short periods of time; however, for reasonable operating times required of industrial/automotive devices, the MIT plasmatron made bunches and bunches of soot – very undesirable to inject into an engine or a NOx-removal system.

Discovering this, Arvin Meritor promptly dumped MIT and withdrew funds for subsequent work.

If one looks at Cohn et al work at MIT in the past few years, they have moved on to advanced ethanol engines – or whatever else is the rage at the time.
Dr. Louis Rosocha
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Los Alamos, NM
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #107 on: May 19, 2011, 09:30:44 PM »
Wow
Talk about pieces of a puzzle
Los Alamos, Santilli ,Magnagas,Plasmatron..........

?
Hey RM,
Hows that Plasma nozzle work that you posted
Looks very Doable and simple?

With E.Gooses link to the Ambient temp LEP[low energy pulse] Carbon Fiber Thingy we should start talking about
HOW??
Thanks
Chet
PS
Cherryman
Can't see vids on this Putor ,Whats that from 07?
Thanks

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #107 on: May 19, 2011, 09:30:44 PM »
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Offline evolvingape

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2011, 01:28:55 AM »
Hi Chet,

Read this link again that you posted:

http://waterfuel.100free.com/plasmatron.html

Pay attention to the PICTURES... recognise parts of them ?

Now read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29

Then read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet

A picture speaks a thousand words so they say...

Then learn about barrel porting to create a vortex:

http://www.paintballtimes.com/Article.asp?ID=26

Rifling works in imparting spin, that's why every highly evolved assault rifle in the world today is rifled ;)

Then re-read the first link and look for the picture near the bottom I have reproduced “Injection Axial Radial Vortex”

I have given you sleeving technology and off the shelf hydraulic fittings to make an injector. Use your initiative to create the effects in this diagram. Axial, Radial or Vortex...

Then realise you need one "Voltage / Current" value to create Plasma and another to combust it...

Realise that if you harness sunlight you get steam, which is self pressurised and requires no user input to pump pressure. It is also a vapor and can be converted into Plasma via a high voltage electrical arc, which is undergoing high pressure compression and supersonic velocities due to HELIS, before combustion and subsequent conversion to high velocity fluid.

Yes the Plasma Injector is very “doable” because I have already outlined the technology, theory, and components before I told you what it was.

Now you know...

Water Plasma Injectors are not so complicated anymore :)

There is really nothing left for me to say. I have finished.

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2011, 02:19:11 AM »
I see you guys talked also about catalysts,

Remember this one?  2007 !   

Just water touching it creates instant steam over 100 degrees .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAM6dRaVhWg

I think the stuff was classified immediately after this broadcast  ;)

OK

Either way it doesn't matter "what happened" to this tech.  It's all just speculation and pointless time wasting unless you know the specs of the device.  Stay on task...build something with the knowledge you have.

Regarding the device in the youtube vid, I wouldnt worry about it anyway.  It's HIGHLY unlikely its a FE source.  The catalyst would have been something like a powerful oxidizer 'pellet'.  There are plenty of raw metals that will combust and flash boil water but these are always converted into another form of energy and then used up.  If those guys manufactured an alloy (which has been done) it would be effective but still only give you X amount of hours 'fuel' time.

Besides, these types of metals are not cheap, are restricted and can't be purchased at the corner store.  Therefore, after you think it out...NOT PRACTICAL.

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2011, 02:19:11 AM »
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #110 on: May 20, 2011, 02:22:23 AM »
MIT Plasmatron & Arvin Meritor

The “plasmatron” ( a plasma source having coaxial cylindrical electrodes with a swirling gas flow to ameliorate electrode erosion) was invented in Russia in the 1970′s.
The inventor, Rabinovich, was able to find a job at MIT and, when H2 generation/fuel conversion/NOx removal was at a rage, worked w/Cohn & Bromberg at MIT on a plasmatron for fuel conversion and generating H2 reductant for NOx removel.

Arvin Meritor became an industrial backer of the device, hoping to find a large market for it. People wonder ‘What ever became of the MIT/Arvin Meritor plasmatron?’ – it seemed to work so well.
 
No conspiracy here: the device did work well for short periods of time; however, for reasonable operating times required of industrial/automotive devices, the MIT plasmatron made bunches and bunches of soot – very undesirable to inject into an engine or a NOx-removal system.

Discovering this, Arvin Meritor promptly dumped MIT and withdrew funds for subsequent work.

If one looks at Cohn et al work at MIT in the past few years, they have moved on to advanced ethanol engines – or whatever else is the rage at the time.
Dr. Louis Rosocha
Applied Physics Consulting
Los Alamos, NM
&
22+-year Alumnus/Retiree of the Los Alamos National Laboratory

I'm aware of this piece of information.  However, it is MISLEADING and at least a good part inaccurate.

YES - if you dont tune a plasma system well you end up with 'clogging deposits' however is this not the same if you run your car 'rich' and badly tuned on gasoline???!!

THINK...

Plasma works and MUCH better than Gasoline.  100 times better.

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2011, 02:35:25 AM »
RM

You don't have to go to the trouble of machine 'rifling' something to induce a vortex.  NEITHER do you require electrical current to make plasma.  Plasma exists in nature induced by many states of energy. 

You already have an abundance of information and and have yet to even start on a solid path.  Here is one more piece of information that makes HHo disassociation viable WITHOUT electrical current!  Heating a metal catalyst to beyond 1000C will instantly split steam into HHO.

Hmmm...sounds familiar but where?  Thats what is happening inside the geet!

Here is a patent for a 'diesel' fuel injection plug that works with water.  The water hits the heated catalyst and instantly turns to gas, then explodes.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080271706

  ARE YOU THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX YET?? 

When I said there were MANY ways to make water fuel, I wasn't kidding.  This isn't even the cherry yet.

You have enough information to think and do something.  If you do nothing, its not from lack of having been informed.

Best


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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2011, 02:35:25 AM »
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Offline evolvingape

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2011, 02:41:57 PM »
Mr Goose,

I never suggested anyone go to the trouble of machining rifling, which is a pain in the ass to do and requires specialist equipment. Not once in any of my designs have I suggested people need to do this. The point I was making is that vortex induced spin is known to stabilise fluid flow. However it is interesting that you chose this point to nit-pick. Desperate ?

I also never suggested that electrical current is the only way to create a plasma state. I am well aware that there are other ways to do it. Please stop implying words into my mouth.

Yes, your right there is an abundance of information now, however, was that information available all those years ago when I made the decisions that set my direction ?

I think that the designs and theory I have written about clearly show that I was on a solid path based upon the information I had at the time I made my decisions. I have gone to great lengths to document the materials, methods, components and theory required to build my designs and pursue a technology tree that has up to now only been available to the military industrial complex.

I believe it is also now reasonable to expect that the majority of people on this forum can actually feel confident that they can attempt to build a Plasma Detonation Turbine, which before I came along was a vague concept whispered quietly amongst a few, if at all.

You have provided a wealth of very interesting information and there is no denying that, however you seem to have returned to your habit of teasing people about “the secret” you alone know. Is this a vain egotistical attempt at intellectual superiority ?

This cherry you speak about, am I correct in assuming that you have researched and theoretically established the “solid path”, headed into the workshop and built it, proven it, drawn up the designs so that it can be easily replicated by humanity, and will be releasing it shortly ?

That really would be the goose laying the golden egg. Anything short of that will just be lot's more clucking!

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2011, 03:07:42 PM »
RM

You wake up on the wrong side of the Universe this morning?  :D  You have to realise by now that despite the technology of emoticons (which I don't use enough), people tend to read posts/email/correspondence and impart their own 'mood' into the text which you have clearly done.

I was not nit picking, just making observations and if you take it otherwise, I can't do anything about that.  This is meant to be an open banter isnt it?

As regards my comment about the 'cherry', your interpretation is a leap to the far side from which it was intended.  It was my way of emphasizing " what we are talking about is great, but there are a plethora of other real solutions to utilizing water as fuel".

Now I shall ask that you don't impute bad motives on my part OK.   ;)  All is good!  Not everything written has sinister or nastily maligned intentions my man!

You have a great day.

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2011, 03:24:17 PM »
Hey Mr Goose,

Funny you should mention it but yes I did wake up on the wrong side of the Universe this morning. I think it has to do with the Plasma Injector and the finishing of the release of all my work. I had not planned to do it in this manner or at this speed, but as usual the Universe disagreed with my timescales and it ended up coming to fruition in this thread. In hindsight this is not such a bad thing.

I can be cranky sometimes and I do tend to bite if I perceive people as attempting to take the piss out of me. I think it comes from a decade existing in a tiny room talking to myself. Does wonders for the sanity!  ;D

Thanks for clearing up my mis perception, I don't want to fall out with you, your contribution has been most note worthy to the movement in general.

On another note I have almost finished the Kelly Kettle conversion to a gasifier, so hopefully I can show you all next week if it works! :)

RM :)

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2011, 04:05:03 PM »
RM

Youre a nice fella and I can equate to waking up with the planets aligning badly (I'm there often!)  :D .  You and Chet have been great contributors and unless it's in jest, I'm not one to take the piss especially at people who are hard workers.  I am a straight talker though and I guess some of my posts in other threads have been forthright and many cannot handle the truth, especially if it effects some treasured notion that they hold dear (no matter how badly off course they are). 
If we don't have the truth...what else remains??  Denial, chaos, fairy tales and a corruption!  Pretty much sums up the state of the world right?  I'm at an age where I attempt to be polite but get straight to the point and this doesnt translate well with many LOL.

I have enjoyed your input and you obviously know what you are doing.  Look forward to the Kelly Kettle conversion!!  What's you welding like?  Better than mine I'm sure!!  You have a little gen to test the gas on?

Best

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2011, 04:05:03 PM »
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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #116 on: May 20, 2011, 05:16:18 PM »
Well Mr Goose,

I also attempt to be polite but do not hold back the truth as I see it. Like you this sometimes upsets people. At the tender young age of 32 I realise how much I still have to learn.

I have no idea what my welding is like, I have never learnt, and do not own a welder. I think it's pretty much the same way as a woman shoots an assault rifle though... Aim, close your eyes and then pull the trigger  ;D

The Kelly Kettle conversion has been designed with stainless steel pots and pans I got from the £ shop and a bag of clay. I have some pipes and fittings already. No valves though :( cannot afford them, might have to make some. The idea is that you can convert it with only a drill, hacksaw and a pair of pliers, we shall see how it works out.

I will just burn the gas for now to prove I am producing it. I had to sell my generator last year unfortunately :(

Ideally I would want one of these:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-50mm-Petrol-Wood-Shredder-Chipper-Mulcher-Buy-Best-/380206254814?pt=UK_Home_Garden_GardenPowerTools_CA&hash=item58860f0ade

Then if I can get this running off the Kelly Kettle I would be able to produce fuel to make more fuel :) 5 mins run time should be more than enough to replace the woodchips used.

This way you can be self sufficient from deadfall logs, or, you could always saw the limbs off your neighbours tree in the middle of the night if you don't like him much  ;D

RM :)

 

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2011, 03:25:08 AM »
Gents I have to say
This is a very productive path we are on,Why the plasma does what it does can open up much bigger doors!
For now it will be fabulous to get a grip on what it can do for our immediate fuel efficiency needs!
All the info presented to date on this thread is very inspiring and ridiculously interesting,
I feel like I have stumbled onto treasure! [well from my perspective I Have!!]

Still Studying.................

Chet

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2011, 04:01:44 AM »
Gents I have to say
This is a very productive path we are on,Why the plasma does what it does can open up much bigger doors!
For now it will be fabulous to get a grip on what it can do for our immediate fuel efficiency needs!
All the info presented to date on this thread is very inspiring and ridiculously interesting,
I feel like I have stumbled onto treasure! [well from my perspective I Have!!]

Still Studying.................

Chet

Chet

It is a treasure!  You have yet to truly see what this tech is capable of and how simple it really can be.  I always wanted this thread to be a succinct, FACTUAL storehouse of information on REAL fuel alternatives because heaven knows the forums are loaded enough with theory.  Let's face it, talking about 'ideas' is OK but so much of the material at the energy forums are just wasted space and diversions from real solutions that lie within grasp.

  It REALLY is a shame that BAD ideas take off with gusto sometimes and capture a good portion of the publics eye because unfortunately, sheeple once they get hold of something, they fall in love with it (like fads and fashions) until it has run it's course and exhausted itself.  HHO (through electrolysis) is EXACTLY this.  A cheap nasty fad that is not the soloution in itself and yet so many cannot see that they are burning huge amounts of energy to get maybe 20% back!!  It's insanity!

Don't get me wrong....HHO is a great gas!  It has very interesting properties whereby burning it you CAN achieve OU!  HOWEVER...electrolysis alone is a dead horse.

Anyway, back to what we are doing here Chet.  Don't look at all the material and become overwhelmed.  Read each facet until you understand it thoroughly (in laymans terms) and then think about ways to combine it so as to create a fuel system.

This can be bent so many different ways and be as simple or complex as you like.  Much depends on what motor you are running, the consumption rate per minute and so forth.  The exciting thing is that with some of these gasses, they can be run INCREDIBLY DILUTE in a huge volume of air and still have faster, superior burn rates than gasoline!!!

Regards

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Re: Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser
« Reply #119 on: May 21, 2011, 04:08:30 AM »
Well Mr Goose,

Then if I can get this running off the Kelly Kettle I would be able to produce fuel to make more fuel :) 5 mins run time should be more than enough to replace the woodchips used.

This way you can be self sufficient from deadfall logs, or, you could always saw the limbs off your neighbours tree in the middle of the night if you don't like him much  ;D

RM :)

RM

What a superb idea.  You would have more fuel than you would know what to do with!  The termites would be composting your chip pile before you could consume it.  :D 

When you consider that they were running cars in Australia and around the world on these wood gasifiers during world war2 when gasoline was short, and you could drive for miles on a few small coals, it sets the imagination running!  This IS OU because the amount of work accomplished to work done is far in excess.  No its not FREE energy, but it is OU and darn cheaper.

As discussed, you dont have to use wood.  Plastics, water + some other carbon waste = energy.  You could EASILY start a backyard business from this.

Best

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