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Offline synchro1

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2012, 12:45:47 AM »
@TinselKoala,

Below is a partial quote from your post above:

"Bifilar high voltage? Are you sure you don't mean "multiple strands"? The term "bifilar" is almost as misused as the AC coupling function on a scope. I'm not at all sure that a JT would work with two true bifilar wound coils, but I'm willing to find out.

And if the coils are "high voltage" why does the LED survive? In the typical JT circuit, the "spike" of voltage that we channel to the load (LEDs, another JT, whatever) is produced by the collapse of the magnetic field in the coils we are using. To get "high voltage" by my definition in this spike.... six hundred, a thousand volts or more.... the coils need relatively high inductance. To achieve the high inductance in an air core coil you need lots of wire and large"

These comments of yours amount to nothing more then a bunch of conceited obfuscatory rubbish.

One can see from the diagram below that the voltage potential inside this patented Tesla bifilar is 250,000 times greater then the single wire. Hence the "Hi-Voltage" designation. This terminology has been in use the entire time to help identify it's unique configuration. Where have you been up untill now?

The other thing you apparently fail to understand is that this coil's self inductance cancels out, and is null. Tesla's "Hi-Voltage" bifilar coil also generates and stores it's own capacitive charge. This coil dosen't need an additional componant to achieve resonance, its already built in. You need to brush up on your basics!

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2012, 12:45:47 AM »

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2012, 03:43:12 AM »
How many times do you want to post the same thing?

Actually if you look closely you will see that the term "bifilar" is used in this forum in at least two different ways. There is the "hairpin" bifilar which cancels induction and there is the true Tesla bifilar, a drawing of which you have posted. And then some people call  "bifilar" or multifilar, a pair or a bunch of separate strands wound together. Some people call Bedini SGM coils "bifilar". It was my impression that Sohei is using multiple strands but that they are connected as to produce effectively one long single coil, not a Tesla bifilar or a hairpin bifilar. I haven't seen an actual description though, so please correct me with a reference if you can, I'd be very pleased to be wrong about his coil's construction... but I am right about the effects.

ETA: Yes, in the post you quote I say that the Tesla bifilar can have zero inductance... this is an error, I mean that inductive and capacitive reactances can cancel in the Tesla bifilar, the hairpin bifilar can have zero inductance. Thank you for pointing out my error, by making the same error yourself.  ;)

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These comments of yours amount to nothing more then a bunch of conceited obfuscatory rubbish.

One can see from the diagram below that the voltage potential inside this patented Tesla bifilar is 250,000 times greater then the single wire. Hence the "Hi-Voltage" designation. This terminology has been in use the entire time to help identify it's unique configuration. Where have you been up untill now?

The other thing you apparently fail to understand is that this coil's self inductance cancels out, and is null. Tesla's "Hi-Voltage" bifilar coil also generates and stores it's own capacitive charge. This coil dosen't need an additional componant to achieve resonance, its already built in. You need to brush up on your basics!

In the second place... it is not the "voltage potential" that is so much greater, it is the stored ENERGY, different things. If you would stop trying to attack me and take a look at my videos on the topic you will see that I understand the Tesla patent fully well.  I'm not sure you do, though.

And in the third place.... A HAIRPIN bifilar coil's induction cancels out. A true TESLA bifilar coil's inductance does not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil

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An early example of the bifilar coil can be seen in Nikola Tesla's United States patent 512,340 of 1894. Tesla explains that in some applications (which he does not specify) the self-inductance of a conventional coil is undesired and has to be neutralised by adding external capacitors. The bifilar coil in this configuration has increased self-capacitance, thereby saving the cost of the capacitors. It is notable that this is not the kind of bifilar winding used in non-inductive wirewound resistors where the windings are wired anti-series to null out self-inductance.
http://letsreplicate.com/teslas-pancake-coil-161/
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The first of those ideas is the same-plane bifilar pancake coil, which was originated by Tesla (Tesla Coil Patent 512340) This type of coil, when configured in the method described in the patents (the outside of one wire connected to the inside of the other), more than doubles the coil’s self-inductance.  At the resonant frequency of the coil, the magnetic field covers the entire face of the coil and rotates, making it an excellent radiator of EMF.  There are several other ways the coils can be connected together, each have wildly different uses.  This project will use capacitive coupling of the wires, which will result in the coil acting like a capacitor.


Now, I'm not going to insult you for being wrong three times in one post..... but maybe I should.

And maybe you should brush up on your basics. --- Learning how to quote posts would be a good start.
 

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2012, 08:06:22 AM »
Greetings to all.....
Newbie in the area.

I am not sure if what my experiments showed can be called as JT. For me they are more to Oscillators, please correct me if I am wrong.
TK, thanks for all support and help you have being giving. And thanks to Fausto.

My coils were made just to be an air coil oscillator. They indeed are connected to be so.
I have tried a cap on the receiver coil and nothing happened. Maybe they do not work with those kind of coils. I also tried to invert the polarity of the led, no changes.
The receiver coil can be the same length of the transmitter coil or half of it. There is a video where I used one receiver coil that is just one wire with no central connection and half of the length of the transmitter. They can be smaller on diameter too.

Another effect I noticed is that depending of the rotation of the coils, the receiver coil can "produce" more energy. And I am not sure if in fact they are a transmitter and receiver coils. It may be more like TK said. They are air coils coupled. Well... I do not understand those effects and they were not made for research. The research and experiments were made for the accidental coupling.

My best regards to all,
Max.

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2012, 01:47:47 PM »
@TinselKoala,
 
                  There's somthing wrong with the site. I tried to attach those posts to the main thread where they failed to appear and they doubled back over here, now I can't delete them because that's malfunctioning.
 
                  Sohei tried to add the capacitor and it made no difference. This proves I'm right. He has his bifilar air core coil wired as Tesla's patented hi-voltage coil, identical to the diagram. That's why the addition of the capacitor makes no difference, the coil's self capacitance has it in resonance already. This makes your video irrelevent. Plus he reversed the LED and that made no difference. Another irrelevency. That's two irrelevencies TWO. Number three is your trouble with our ""Hi-Voltage" established nomenclature to describe the wiring configuration shown in the diagram. So there! 

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2012, 04:11:42 PM »

@ Positron360


You might find these interesting:


simple one wire circuit using Joule thief  >>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8cb1G10AEw&feature=plcp


simple wireless circuit using slayer exciter  >>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HgrXZGirwA&feature=plcp




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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
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Offline synchro1

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2012, 08:18:33 PM »
Sohei's latest. The "light Ring Video":
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzyp1WTP_P0&feature=plcp
 
Sohei's adding consecutive LED oscillating reciever coils with no increase in input, when facing counter wound. The last one has two LED'S, and still no rise in input. He introduces a light ring with 6 LED'S. He calls his bifilar reciever coil wraps JT. Everyone knows how they're connected. I'm thrilled to have heard back from Sohei when asked by me if his black proto ring of 6 LED's in series caused a rise in input. Awesome Earth shattering response!
 
  Sohei Thoth has replied to your youtube comment on the Light Ring :
 
 "I am fascinated by this effect. As in this black ring proto, I can put as many rings in the right position on top or bellow. No more drain from batt".
 
One additional rejoinder from Sohei:
 
"Just a correction.... when I say "as many" I just wanted to say that you can put few rings on the right position... I did not tried so many rings.... hehehe Regards".
« Last Edit: November 24, 2012, 12:52:14 AM by synchro1 »

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2012, 08:48:02 AM »
Sigh.

@Synchro:
Sohei Thoth is doing good work... with LEDs. Where is the "high voltage" though? That's what I meant when I challenged the statement "bifilar high voltage".  And I'm still not sure from _his_ description that he is using a Tesla bifilar winding. Isn't he using a twisted pair in there? I don't remember seeing anything about twisted pairs in Tesla's patent. Nevertheless I too have used bifilar windings made with twisted pair.

Let's not distract from the good work he's doing, though, by arguing about how wrong you are, Synchro. 

Here is a photo, attached below, of a _real_ wireless JT of another style. It is _powered wirelessly_ by my wireless power transmitter. The transmitter is running on 12 volts. The _wireless JT_ is lighting up Four NE-2 90 volt neons _in series_ .  That means its output exceeds 360 volts and at sufficient current to light those neons brilliantly.

As I said earlier, I too can add receivers with more lights and not raise the power consumption of the transmitter. In fact if I do it properly the transmitter current goes down, just as Sohei is describing. The difference is that my system operates at longer ranges and can be used to power anything that takes 2-24 VDC input... like incandescent filament bulbs and motors. Earthshattering? Groundbreaking?

The fact that Sohei didn't notice any difference when he tried adding caps does not "prove that you are right" at all, neither does it "prove that I am wrong". All it proves is that he didn't need to add capacitance, or that he added the wrong amount. This can be because his coils are the right length to begin with. And other reasons as well.

Here's a couple of videos that should show you that I might understand a little bit of what I'm talking about. Note the dates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxabhjHoV50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqMWHhkdQMk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBUfaYi02WI

Always willing to learn more, too, from those who have something to teach.


And I'm posting an image of the simple Wireless Receiver Circuit with DC output here for the benefit of a friend of mine who asked about it. It might be useful to others too.

OK, that's enough for my argument with Synchro.


Carry on, Sohei, you are doing good work. Please interpret it carefully and with full knowledge and research.



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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2012, 08:48:02 AM »
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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2012, 02:17:34 PM »
@TinselKoala,
 
                  I've been over your kind of "know it all" malarky more then once about the authenticity of Tesla bifilars on this forum. You're relentless. I can't believe that you would want to carry on about those inane points you keep making about something so simple. That diagram I posted you call a true Tesla coil states clearly that the "C" factor or self inductance is zero. You contradict this fact and go on to say I'm wrong, and that connecting the wires the other way produces the null inductance. Go back and read the fine print; Also, the voltage between the wraps is 500 times HIGHER then between the wraps on a single wire solenoid coil. This voltage differential is a result of connecting the different far wire ends the way shown in the diagram and has nothing to do with output. You can connect the different near ends and get the greater potential. The different near ends don't generate the Hi-Voltage differential compared to the single wire. I have to ask myself if you're some sort of Gadfly or if you're just too thick to understand these two basic points you continue to insist I'm wrong about. I find it very tedious to keep rehashing these very simple and elementary issues.
 
                Sohei Thoth, a Newbie obviously has English for a second language judging from his videos. He calls his coils "JT" for Joule Thief. The Joule Thief is a bifilar with the different far ends connected. The different far end connected bifilar generates the 500X greater voltage compared to a single wire coil of the same Ohmic resistance or wire length and gauge. That's why the "Hi-Voltage" term is used to distinguish it from the different near ends "hairpin" connection alternative, and has nothing to do with output. You want to argue that a lash wraped bifilar is not a true Tesla coil when all that matters is that we designate the correct two ends of the the wires to be connected. The term Hi-Voltage indicates the different wire far ends! Please stop confusing people so you can show off as some kind of "Know it all". While I'm at it I would like to add that I find your videos to be boring and insipid, like the four solid minutes of you threading a ferrite ring with a prewound spindle. Flowers failed to deliver to any fixed address!
 
                 Colonel Bearden stated that we could light New York City off a penlight battery if we just don't kill the di-pole. Sohei demonstrates no rise in input with six LED'S in series off his JT connected bifilar wireless reciever coil, counter wound facing primary. Six or perhaps six trillion LED'S as Bearden theorizes?
« Last Edit: November 25, 2012, 02:20:26 AM by synchro1 »

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2012, 12:28:10 AM »
I think I was able to remove the double posts.  (One of each) At least, it looks that way from my end.

If not, let me know and I will try again.

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2012, 12:45:09 AM »
@Pirate88179,
 
          The double posts have vanished! Thank you very much.

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Re: Wireless power transmission using Joule Thief
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2012, 01:44:10 AM »
Here's an important video from epowerplus from two years ago:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1HvZmyQ95g&feature=plcp
 
Here's the same question from TinselKoala from ths "youtube" video followed by epowerplus's response.
 
"I am curious about the requirement for the bifilar winding. Are you connecting these coils as "hairpin" or true Tesla bifilar windings"?
 
epowerplus's response:
 
"Connect the beginning of one pair to the end of the second pair....which leaves you with two wires left over, one beginning and one end"...
 
This question is really banal, because only what TK is calling the "true bifilar" is any good for broadcasting and receiving power anyway.

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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2012, 06:00:59 PM »
Epowerplus maintains that the addition of his very tiny capacitors improves transmission efficiency by a factor of ten. Sohei reporeted that the addition of a capacitor made no difference. Sohei would need two capacitors on his setup to acheive resonance, one of identical value on both the receiver and primary broadcast JT coil. It's also possible that the inclusion of these capacitors may polarize the oscillation and kill the free power effect. Easy enough to test for.

Another outstanding difference in the comparisons between these two simple circuits is the absence of a full wave bridge rectifier in Sohei's version. These non inclusions may be important in replicating Sohei's effects. Again, easy enough to test for. There's a strong chance that the rectifier may kill the dipole in the receiving coil. I don't know if there would be any long term damaging effects to the LED'S running them off low ripple A.C. as Sohei's doing. It looks like it works fine, although it may shorten the LED life span. It still may pay in power savings in the final cost comparison over time even if it does. The other interesting fact is that Sohei reports that it makes no difference which side of the receiver coil the anode or cathode of the LED'S are attached to. The inclusion of the rectifier would certainly annul this effect completely.
 
Epowerplus does not turn his receiving coil around. I tried that once with a pancake and spiral wireless broadcast JT setup and noticed the LED grow brighter. What I didn't realize was that the increased brightness may have been accompanied by a decrease in input power to the broadcast primary! What a startling revelation from Sohei Thoth! I can't wait to try it. I wonder how many LED'S  it might be possible to run in series by simply turning the receiver JT around in the other direction? That measurement really astonished me! I wonder what causes it to behave that way? The broadcast power equation may apply to that effect. The power of a tiny spark is infinite. It can be detected omni directionally from any where in the universe, sending a shock wave through the fabric of the Space Time contiuum. Is it possible Sohei has shown us the key to unlocking infinite broadcast power? We can't afford to let his result fall by the wayside merely because Sohei's experiment lacks the kind of cumbersome complexity some of our "SHOW OFF" contributors offer us.
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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2012, 05:36:41 PM »
              Jonnydavro shows us a "Joule Ringer" circuit with a 20K pot and 6 volt buzzer driving the base of a 3055 transister. The pot and buzzer act as a fiendishly simple pulse width modulator. Connected to an air core Tesla bifilar transmitter coil like Sohei's, one should be able to tune for peak coil resonance very easily. The experiment I envision would include a 12 to 200 volt transformer turned around and capable of lighting 120 volt LEDS, so the wireless receiver coil should light a 120 volt LED bulb to full brightness without causing a problem. The buzzer "pulse width controller" can  bring the tiny pico farad capacitor tuned broadcast and receiver bifilars into peak resonance with the 20K potentiometer. Now, the question is: Will it be possible to string 120 volt LED'S in series with the receiver coil reversed counter wound facing the primary broadcast coil  with no effect on input the way Sohei shows his 3 volt LED'S bulbs behaving?
 
               Replicating Sohei's effect on this scale would allow us to self loop off solar feedback, and run the remainder of the 120 volt LED'S at full brightness free of charge, without cumbersome complexity. The Lights of America bulb in the picture has been tested to gain in series. Other types have current inhibiting circuitry that would cause them to fail to work this way.
 
               Here's a video of Imhoteb lighting a 120 volt LED with "ZERO AMP" draw off, not wireless, but ground oscillation! It should be possible to wire an endless number of this type of 120 volt LED in series between the positive battery pole and the negative to a neutral Earth Ground, like Imhoteb, and still maintain zero amp draw. In this case the Earth Ground is the pipe in his bathtub. The natural oscillating frequency of magnatisem is 1.59 Khz. This must the frequency between the Earth Ground and the positive battery pole as well as between the counter wound opposing bifilar fields that's exciting the crystal LEDS in  the zero amp draw wireless setup.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR7dEJtP79A&feature=em-subs_digest
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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2012, 12:24:45 AM »
"I took a 12 Volt battery and connected its positive terminal to one end of an LED bulb with enough series protection resistor. Then I connected the other end of the LED bulb to earth (soil with moisture outside my house). I did not connect the negative terminal of the battery to anything. I expected the bulb to glow, but it did not glow until I connected the negative terminal of the battery to the ground as well." This is apparently how Imtotob completes his circuit as stated by him in :18 seconds of his video. He registors zero amp draw! It's important to note that you can't use the same point for the battery Earth Ground! You need two different Earth Grounds! This completes the circuit. The voltage differential between the grounds generates the transverse oscillation in the standing wave!
 
Here's a great video by Bill Nye on the electrical circuit:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg-XFXdtZnQ
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