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Title: Tesla induction device
Post by: forest on April 27, 2011, 08:17:54 PM
This thread is related to Tesla induction device he patented August 5 1890 ,patent  no 433702 and my ideas.
Although my interest in this started by looking at another thread on OU called "The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8" I've learned it also from Vladimir Utkin paper.Because I don't want to be misunderstood as being a thief of others ideas I moved all my efforts here.Well, whoever is following energeticforum also knew about confusion when Rosemary Ainslie posted her license after a long open sourced research by many.I don't want such confusion.

Before I post my ideas I want to clear something : I don't want or plan to patent anything. My ideas will be free for use with the simple GPL-like license.I will propose it soon. but I feel you won't be disappointed. I may have or not have a working device - it doesn't matter now.
All I ask is to help me, nothing more , nothing less. What I want is to throw away fear and building something real, something working and producing at least energy saving - together.

Forgive me my bad English it is going worse when I'm strongly affected like now.
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: forest on April 27, 2011, 08:45:21 PM
Ok. Now I will tell you how I see the license :
1. You can do whatever is good for you and people and whatever is right and comply with your conscience.
If you want to sell it, ok , just put your hard work in assuring it will be the best and still cheap for the people.
2. The rest is based on GPL software license.If you add something you should cover it with the same license.
3. Author kindly request your help with developing/improving/producing those ideas/devices and also to make possible for author to be  involved in every step either directly or by financial reward for his work.

Is that ok ? I have no time to unfold it yet.
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: forest on April 27, 2011, 09:35:59 PM
Now I will tell you where to look. First it is still an idea I'm working on device slowly.
Look at Tesla patent I posted. This is asymmetric induction device.
First IMHO it's electrical analogy of magnetic motor with ferromagnetic  shield separating two magnets of the same poles. When the shield is up (or saturated) magnets push each other , when shield is here they attract to some extend.I'm not evolving this idea, maybe later.
Next : this is a special transformer which negate Lenz law to some extend by placing another temporary magnet (ferromagnetic shield) between two LCR resonant circuits.Tjis makes them to some extend independent.
My idea is to :
- make secondary bifilar and on ferromagnetic core
- make a ferromagnetic shield around secondary
- make either bifilar of normal wound primary on top of this shield


If you look at Tesla patent every coil must be placed in the same distance between each other (except secondary to core , which is closer relationship).



My idea (and I believe Steven Mark made it also previously) is to place capacitor in primary parallel to primary coil, measure resonant frequency then by selecting capacitor match impedance with power source which is simply AC rectified by diode of diode bridge to pulsating DC. The output is also matched with own parallel capacitor to the same resonant frequency and and load is placed after rectifying it.The output capacitor may be eliminated via bifilar winding of secondary in such case primary should be adjusted to the resonant frequency of secondary bifilar.Part of output is taken directly to the input but in that case output must be regulated to avoid runaway. With iron/steel core I think device is limited to 400Hz frequency.
With ferrite  much higher frequency could be used.

Device can run with gain if ferrite material is special grade of high permeability and resonant frequency could be for example 5khz.I think secondary should be grounded also and need probably varistor to limit voltage on output. I think you see it then in such case output will be DC fluctuating - each time it get to varistor it will be dumped and recover from almost zero but very fast.Kind of parametric resonance.


All those ideas above are placed here at 21:31 27 April 2011 local time for the purpose to avoid situation of patenting something which was previously in open source forum and then ideas taken and included into patent of the author of thread or whoever else. I saw such situations in the past. All my ideas are covered by the GPL-like license as I posted previously and cannot be patented.Period.
I'm not against anybody, I'm against greed which rule this world.
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: forest on April 27, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
Really if you read Tesla patent all is there.Plus Utkin paper which I cannot attach because is too big.
You see, in Tesla times there was no ferrite and he patented iron core and shield.
Does it mean that somebody could patent the same idea using ferrite shield and core ? I think not, yet I believe patent office would allow that. :(
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: teslaalset on April 28, 2011, 09:27:36 AM
Really if you read Tesla patent all is there.Plus Utkin paper which I cannot attach because is too big.
You see, in Tesla times there was no ferrite and he patented iron core and shield.
Does it mean that somebody could patent the same idea using ferrite shield and core ? I think not, yet I believe patent office would allow that. :(

Forest,
You can upload bigger files in the download section of this forum.
This can be found here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;cat=25 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;cat=25)
Then go to the bottom of the page and click 'add a download'.
After the upload, copy the link and post it in this discussion thread. OK?
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: forest on April 28, 2011, 09:56:53 AM
Vladimir Utkin free energy devices paper is here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=464


here is another one (probably the same) :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/48568155/FREE-ENERGY-1

Tesla patent 433702  is mentioned also.
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: teslaalset on April 28, 2011, 10:54:04 AM
Thanks forest!
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: ramset on April 28, 2011, 06:19:18 PM
Forest
Thank you for doing this,Your mission statement is inspiring!!
{and you wind very neet toroids:=}.

Chet
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: forest on May 01, 2011, 07:28:36 PM
Read Steven Mark notes about device orientation and output and winding direction. Those are old and  absolutely open informations I need not to describe them.
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: forest on May 27, 2011, 05:06:58 PM
Two things should be carefully maintained : output voltage and phase difference.
This device will run with gain or behave like normal (and very inefficient) transformer, there is no third option.
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: e2matrix on May 27, 2011, 06:00:01 PM
Nice work forest!  Have you built something yet that is generating excess power based on this concept?  I haven't dug into much yet but it sounds like it would not be too complex. 

  When I downloaded the Utkin document it seemed like a lot of pictures or diagrams were missing.  I then 'printed' it to my PDF printer (saves it as a file) and when viewing in PDF I could then see all the diagrams or pictures.  This may be due to my older version of MS Word but if others have this problem maybe put it up here as a PDF or I can upload the one I made. 
   Thanks for making this open source GPL.
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: forest on May 27, 2011, 07:24:49 PM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=473
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: wings on May 27, 2011, 09:56:43 PM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=473

thanks forest
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: forest on May 28, 2011, 06:16:59 PM
Have you ever thought why core of high permeability was used ?  ::) Is that really required ?
Maybe measure capacitance of output side and think how to down resonant frequency  ::)
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: Jack Noskills on June 06, 2011, 10:02:45 AM
Forest, excellent find this Utkin paper ! It explains everything needed in laymans terms, shows the 'why' and an answer verified by test results.

Combine those secrets and there is your free energy generator. Use switchable inductance in your primary and you get source ringer that runs by itself, it needs safety spark gap so it does not blow up. Put capacitor with high voltage rating and select spark gap so that it fires before capacitor rating is exceeded. Maybe lightning strike protectors could be used here. Higher rated capacitor gives higher power output (unless primary core saturates first). Then you collect from this magnetic field using n-secondaries.

The Utkin paper showed tube and secondaries were inside. In the Tesla patent receiver looks exactly like the transmitter so the receiver is also a transmitter at the same time. Could this 'coils in a tube design' work another way around ?

You would take ferrite rod, wound one layer bifilar primary on it and connect it using switchable inductance. On top of this you would put ferrite rings and separate them using plastic spacers e.g. CD's. Use of spacers would make secondary winds easier as you put more rings around rod. Secondary wind should use matching capacitors as explained in the Utkin paper.

Now, if this works then why not put another layer on top of secondary to get even more power ? Bigger ferrite rings that fit on top of secondary ferrite ring + winding, then you wind third round of coils and use matced capacitor again. Next layer should have thicker rings from previous to prevent saturation as power increases in each layer. The width of each layer should stay the same, this makes windings easier.

As each layer would have bigger coils then smaller caps are needed to get it to same frequency with primary. You would get power from each layer ! Those ferrite rings should work like magnetic diode and back-EMF would stay entirely in the layer that created it.

End result, a gun that fires a gun that fires a gun ... that fires a BFG (Big Fucking Gun).

It should be easy to test this, core material needs to be such that it can handle the selected frequency. I said 'ferrite' only because it is cheap, better materials could be used. Core which can handle higher frequency is always better and core whose saturation point is higher is also better. Higher frequency gives more power and you can use smaller caps. All wire should be tin-coated as we need the best possible magnetic field with shortest amount of wire. Maybe insulated wire is needed, this depends how the core behaves. How far from the inside of ferrite ring its magnetic field can get, can some of it reach the previous layer ? There is no wire inside ring so distance should be short, experimenting is needed here.

If anyone tries this then please post results here, even if it does not work. If this design works and design is original, then it should have a name. Those rings look like stripes when looking at cross section so lets call it the Bumblebee Power Amplifier, lol. As you know, scientifically speaking bumble bee cannot fly. Well, little bee does not know it, it just flies, hence the name.

PS. This switchable inductance circuit, if there are problems getting it to work, I made circuit with similar idea about three months ago. It used spark gaps, but it could work without them, or caps in place of spark gaps. With spark gaps it produced voltage and current ratings so high that my meter was unable to show them. Also it sucked more power from ground connection. But I don't have a scope so cannot say what was actually going on. I can post about it later if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on June 23, 2011, 07:10:38 PM
Hello, everyone, I have carefully read this paper also, a lot of common with the Tesla Induction device but also with the TPU, and yes in the last chapter the device presented is a TPU !!! A lenzless one way magnetic TPU !!!

So I have decided to make some test with some toroid I have bought for some project (while I wait for my shield, I play with several stuff and other device involving toroid and trafos)...

This was with a toroid and windings like chapter 3 in trafos section...

I can CONFIRM the one way induction magnetic diode (I don't tell is OU) but the theory is right, but since Ls (the primary) is wind on a open path, the inductance is very low, (I literally short circuited my 12V 8 Amps trafos)
after I have build a reactor to limit my input current...)
The fun is when I use L2 (the secondary ) as input no EMF is generated in Ls !!!
Then one way induction...

I have no time (since I deal with the Tesla device) and (especially money) to build the TPU version at this time, but I have my idea how to build it, and to tune it (correcting ampere turns, saturation level, magnetizing current, permeability, etc...)

Edit: Here a schematic of my setup, more schematics will come soon !!!
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: Jack Noskills on June 27, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
Does it matter where the secondary is located, does it have to be right under primary ? If you put another secondary in the free portion of toroid does it give out same amount of power ? If it works then you can wound secondary all over toroid, and primary on top of that.

What about switchable inductance, if you wound another primary so that it is crossed with first primary and connect those using diodes and cap as shown in Utkin paper, would it work ?

Trafo would then have a cross inside a circle, a mason symbol. We could call this the free masonformer, as it would output free power by itself lol.
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on June 27, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
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Does it matter where the secondary is located, does it have to be right under primary ?

Yeah, the should be on one leg of the trafo, not the whole trafo, for one way induction.

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If you put another secondary in the free portion of toroid does it give out same amount of power ?

I don't know the power, the voltage is anecdotal (due to flux leakage in air) and amperage very low, when I short the secondary the whole toroid make huge noise like it's fully saturated...

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If it works then you can wound secondary all over toroid, and primary on top of that.

No, the toroid must be wired like the diagram above if not, then full Lenz action in both direction, no decoupling...

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What about switchable inductance, if you wound another primary so that it is crossed with first primary and connect those using diodes and cap as shown in Utkin paper, would it work ?

I have not tested the switchable L yet, and it requires scope to analyse data, I have no scope, I have tested the asymmetric trafos by curiosity while I wait for my shield.

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Trafo would then have a cross inside a circle, a mason symbol. We could call this the free masonformer, as it would output free power by itself lol.

Yeah, this is for decoupling phenomena, the toroid is for closing Ls path and the center one is for secondary MMF, for the mason stuff, it will be the first time they become useful in this world...
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: Doug1 on July 04, 2011, 02:55:54 PM
And another thread dies.Pitty it's such a simple device platform possibly a good way to produce a Juel theif of size to operate several other teriods in the mains power range to run appliances of real use. I at least expected to see an argument that anything that expands your use of mains power without paying extra for it is stealing from the utillities. Guess all is fine and dandy in shangrila.No need for a magnetic feild capacitor the voltage type are doing just fine.
 
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: DeepCut on July 04, 2011, 09:16:13 PM
Well the thread ain't dead, i've only noticed it coz you bumped it today, reading the paper right now, lots of ideas there.

Hopefully others will see the thread now and read the patent and the document.

Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: mrclean on July 06, 2011, 02:45:35 AM
hi guys, cant seem to get much response on this.
--couldnt find a Smith replication thread..

Here is my recent work on Don Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op8HzKc5yao

Just wondering if anyones workin on this, or any input from anyone. Im doing this with very little knowledge
Title: Re: Tesla induction device
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on July 06, 2011, 08:12:06 PM
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And another thread dies.

No, dying, I have just received the shield, I search how to cut this into two half properly now, after this, protocol, calculation and experiment(s) will be made.