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Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: ramset on April 25, 2011, 11:32:07 PM
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Mr. Coombs
Words just can't do this Justice!!
ChetKremens@gmail.com
PS
I'll be inviting some guests ,as well as opening up some threads at other forums where people have a hard time posting here!
I'll post those links here as well!
Protech
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iT'S GOING TO BE A RIDE
Ok where do we start.... I know as a kid .... now I think everybody in the world has spun a string with a weight on the end.... remember.
You would make a twirling motion to get it started then you would just move it back and forth and it would still spin, You would feel a tug at end of each movement on the shift back and forth, ?
centrifugal force correct ? But it keep spinning .........now we are going to apply that part in conjunction with gravity
Ah! gravity the force that wants whatever is not already backed up to a solid and wants to get there ...
Ah! now we take a pendulum natures perfect way to have weight climb.....
from a gravity drop point ....But we all know that it diminishes on each swing RIGHT....they all say friction is the problem very few say centrifugal force ,,, remember that tug at the end of the string shift ?
3 things to work with
centrifugal force
gravity
motion
ok so lets add leverage to the equation ah we all know based on a fulcrum point the weight offset.... if we have a lever at 1 inch to the fulcrum and a lever length of 20 inches ...it just might lift a beer bottle lol......
NOW add TIMING ...to the equation ( oh very important )
OK so here is a list of materials you are going to need..
a base 2x4 will do maybe 12 inches long
a riser to attach a pendulum too
a pendulum
a weight attached to the pendulum
a way of limiting the movement of the base ( see dia )
a couple rollers for under the base
NOW LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM CAN YOU COME UP WITH THESE ITEMS
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thanks Chet we going for a ride
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Hi Bill,
I'm very proud for you, and of you. Your initial posts certainly have our attention. Also, you should know, that we can assist you in also applying for the overunity prize here on this forum, I think it is up to like $20,000 by now or so. Stefan would know the exact amount. There are rules etc. but we can pitch in and help you with that down the road.
I was hoping to win it with my team and I, with the TPU,....LOL But that is quite alright!
Looking forward to learning.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Thanks guy guess you know where my heart is, Im not after the prize
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Bill, leverage sounds like the key from all that I have ever seen. Please keep up the info.
Hope to see a video of your working machine soon????
Bill
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no vid of my machine ( at this point )..but if you follow my posts you can do overunity yourself .........remember me ok ........
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Bill, you will be remembered no doubt. I just hope it is not like the memory some of us have of a character named Milow. Thank you for sharing with us you hard earned and learned work and may God bless you.
PS. A photo at least of your machine - would be very helpful before we go out and spend money on your suggested build. Is that too much to ask?
Bill
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ah if you do what I state
it's 5 dollars guy pretty cheap for over unity... but thanks .... my time is running out pay attention .........
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Bill,
5 dollars is worth it for a simple build... go on my lad.
Bill
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Back to drawing board these are wrong as pointed out already...
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Hi Protech,
I whipped up a Lego prototype of your idea but do not see any OU effects. I tried a bunch of different configurations before I put the magnet bumpers in to add a little bit more oscillation to the system and wheels. The rollers would make the platform twist as the weight fell and shoot off at a angle of the rollers. You'd need a way to keep it from twisting so I just put it on a track.
Do you have a working model with correct dimensions and weight of pendulum? If I know the weight and scale of your model I can try to get it more accurate. Thank you for sharing your idea, I'll tinker with it some more.
Where pray tell, is your 20" LEVER, located 1 inch above the fulcrum? please re read the directions. Other than that, looks nice! ;)
Cheers,
Bruce
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Above the fulcrum is assumed. Is that correct Bill?
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Hi Bruce,
Jumping gigawatts 20" lever :o , was looking at image and didn't catch that. Thanks.
Sorry Protech, I will rebuild.
Back to lab.
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Hi Protech,
I whipped up a Lego prototype of your idea but do not see any OU effects. I tried a bunch of different configurations before I put the magnet bumpers in to add a little bit more oscillation to the system and wheels. The rollers would make the platform twist as the weight fell and shoot off at a angle of the rollers. You'd need a way to keep it from twisting so I just put it on a track.
Do you have a working model with correct dimensions and weight of pendulum? If I know the weight and scale of your model I can try to get it more accurate. Thank you for sharing your idea, I'll tinker with it some more.
Guy you are so off base makes me wonder.........
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did I just create stupid ?????????????????? man how hard is this ............ I just put over unity in your hands and this is the results ..........
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Guy you are so off base makes me wonder.........
Hi Bill,
I have learned over the years, that stick drawing visuals do much better than words...LOL
The project I am working on was the same, most don't listen well. It is just the human condition I suppose.
But most are certainly willing to learn. It is always funny when someone says they have replicated anothers work, even with pictures and diagrams to follow, and it looks nothing like the original, and then they moan because it doesn't work. Sad, but entertaining, in a twisted kind of way! LOL
Cheers,
Bruce
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Dream think build,
I do not recall the man saying anything about magnets! He said to put something at the ends to control the movement. Get it working first before modifying.
and Bill, if I am wrong about the magnets, please let me know! Thanks!
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Hi Bill,
I have learned over the years, that stick drawing visuals do much better than words...LOL
The project I am working on was the same, most don't listen well. It is just the human condition I suppose.
But most are certainly willing to learn. It is always funny when someone says they have replicated anothers work, even with pictures and diagrams to follow, and it looks nothing like the original, and then they moan because it doesn't work. Sad, but entertaining, in a twisted kind of way! LOL
Cheers,
Bruce
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Dream think build,
I do not recall the man saying anything about magnets! He said to put something at the ends to control the movement. Get it working first before modifying.
and Bill, if I am wrong about the magnets, please let me know! Thanks!
Think I just gave up,you can deal with me on pm guy ....... its so easy once you know ...........
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Protech
Here is a similar one from a patent application that you might want to know about. My good friend Preston was trying it out. Now yours is a base unit and the patent was a hanging unit but the basic concept has close similarities. Preston didn't have much luck but the information is there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWLuO9jSY0
And here is the Bessler wheel string that has a PDF of the patent application.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=72455#72455
This might help with a larger and power producing build.
Alan
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Guy you are so off base makes me wonder.........
Hi Protech,
I was just pointed out that you said 20" lever, the first design is wrong, I understand that now. Have you built your device? I just want to know one thing and that is how you overcame the twist in the platform on the rollers that is imparted by the pendulum swinging down?
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Hi Protech,
I was just pointed out that you said 20" lever, the first design is wrong, I understand that now. Have you built your device? I just want to know one thing and that is how you overcame the twist in the platform on the rollers that is imparted by the pendulum swinging down?
Not to answer for Bill, but it sounds as if your weight is not centered/distributed properly on the bottom of your pendelum, if it is twisting.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Hi folks, Hi protech, thanks for sharing. So if it's similar to the video hammer posted, are you thinking of generators attached to the wheels or maybe magnets at each end of moving cart that interact with coils at each end.
How about something similar to Matthew Jones full rotating pendulum bouncer, though like this, we will not use full rotations, just normal pendulum swings and set the fulcrum on springs.
Then we use those one way zip pulls with gear type teeth on the strip and so when the pendulum swings downward, it will pull the zip pull, compressing spring and spin a generator.
Then as the pendulum swings upward, the zip pull will not be spinning the generator and the pendulum can freely swing upwards to again reset the zip pull generator. Just a few thoughts.
peace love light
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Hi Protech . Congratulations on your design . Most people are unaware of the limitations of language when it comes to describing simple mechanisms.Words and phrases can have several meanings . If you are anything like me , "reading the instruction" book is a last resort when you buy something . The problem is , it is as clear as day in your mind , but conveying the design to others is sometimes very difficult . I would hope that you can bring yourself to be a little more patient with all of us .If all else fails , I would hope that anyone who builds a replica as a result of info received through private messages ,will share it here .Here is an example of the problems of language .A schoolboy was asked to use a computer to translate the phrase "out of sight, out of mind " into Russian .He again used the computer to translate it back into English .The result was "Invisible Idiot "
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Hi all,
Is protech the same protech from EF.
If so, I thought his great idea that he has been throwing at old Cloudseeder was this -
Any comments ?
I'll get a better pic.
Here tis -
from EF ----
"""now figure why this works right away..this is not my original concept but a take off of a machine never designed to do what it does this machine component of a larger machine that makes envelopes and the weights are crippers that hold a envelope transfer to a seal drying chain .. i as a young man was setting up this machine and as a proccedure it was necessary to adjust the envelope drop so that the seal that was wet would not land on the bar that held the envelope in place .... cool eh
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but i loosened the gear that drove the unit ..now this was a well worn machine and chains and all were well worn . and holy chit i dropped my wrench but as i picked it up the whole unit was moving .. my panic was to hit the stop button as i thought the machine was powered .. but it was not ........it was just moving .. lo i ended poking at it till it stopped but its force was equal to my poking ......get the point
after reading what you guys are trying i decided to start making nonsense machines in small versions to sell for desktop exs .. at a large price thank you
guess its not fair to not tell you i am a machine designer but usually for automation in auto industry gues i should post some of my work
the folowing is a machine to take the place of starofoam pellets its a paper twist thing ..that 1 little roll under the machine produces the resulting bags of product ... and no i never made a million out of it just sold it for $10,000.00"""
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Very Exciting stuff,
I had to Run down to NY for a few days ,Won't be able to "Play"
till I get back.
In the mean time Mr.Coombs if you get a chance you can have someone send me a telephone pic [all the "kids" have cameras in there phones these days]
To Chetkremens@gmail.com
I'll post it here!
Chet
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ah if you do what I state
it's 5 dollars guy pretty cheap for over unity... but thanks .... my time is running out pay attention .........
How heavy does the weight on the pendulum have to be in relation to the whole structure?
Same weight? Heavier or lighter?
DonL
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Everything about this is equal. Where and or what is unequal about this that can make it work to produce an excess amount of energy? Equals can not produce more then used.
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Everything about this is equal. Where and or what is unequal about this that can make it work to produce an excess amount of energy? Equals can not produce more then used.
My guess, is you take the first sentence of Bill's, from his other thread, you think of the moving base, and you think centrifugal force. I can see it working.
Cheers,
Bruce
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My guess, is you take the first sentence of Bill's, from his other thread, you think of the moving base, and you think centrifugal force. I can see it working.
Cheers,
Bruce
Please do tell... What other thread?
DonL
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Hi Protech,
To avoid confusion and misinterpretations can you post a photo with dimensions/weight or PM me if you don't want to post it here. I am willing to scale it up. If you want me to replicate exactly I need exact specs then there will be no question that something is off. My only interest is seeing your idea succeed, negativity is not required.
Thank you.
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Please do tell... What other thread?
DonL
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10659.msg283073#new
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My guess, is you take the first sentence of Bill's, from his other thread, you think of the moving base, and you think centrifugal force. I can see it working.
Cheers,
Bruce
Gravity has an equal pull from both directions back to center as do magnets and the movement produced will also have equal motion back and forth and the resistance is what will keep it from becoming perpetual. Even if it could be perpetual, no energy can be gained because any resistance added will stop it from being perpetual.
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All,
This is a message to encourage everyone to please take Mr Protech's postings and ideas with a grain of salt. If you'll check his posting history, he has progressed from an average poster, looking for ways to replicate Bessler (unsuccessfully, for more than a year -- according to his messages), to someone who now has multiple, working OU designs? And, why can he now not be bothered to explain his cryptic, poor-spelling, poor-grammar posts or his 5th-grader drawings?
As per usual, there is no video, photos, or real plans, even though "Im not after the prize", "I got better" and "its so easy once you know".
Of course, he could be legitimate -- or maybe I'm just "realty stupid". :-\
Regards,
-Joel D. Sanders
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All,
This is a message to encourage everyone to please take Mr Protech's postings and ideas with a grain of salt. If you'll check his posting history, he has progressed from an average poster, looking for ways to replicate Bessler (unsuccessfully, for more than a year -- according to his messages), to someone who now has multiple, working OU designs? And, why can he now not be bothered to explain his cryptic, poor-spelling, poor-grammar posts or his 5th-grader drawings?
As per usual, there is no video, photos, or real plans, even though "Im not after the prize", "I got better" and "its so easy once you know".
Of course, he could be legitimate -- or maybe I'm just "realty stupid". :-\
Regards,
-Joel D. Sanders
I think you hit the nail on the head. (and NOT the part about you being stupid). This sounds like IST's little brother, you know, his name was William.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. (and NOT the part about you being stupid). This sounds like IST's little brother, you know, his name was William.
I did an anagram search for w k coombs
bow mocks
bows mock
mock bows
mocks bow
are some of the understandable results.
So who is Bow and why is he being mocked/doing the mocking?
Mocking who?
It all boils down to the SAME issue again.....show a working model, not a pencil drawing.
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I do not think he will show a working model video because he does not have a working model as claimed... but I wish I was wrong. Sorry...
Bill
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The way you all are mocking the man is a shame!
Try experimenting with something and posting something meaningful. Or, wait until you can go buy it at Walmart, since that is what you all are wanting. Show me, spell it out, draw it, give me a picture, a video, anything....
It is because of people like you that no one ever WANTS to even post anything real. Experiment with what has been given, or go back to being freakin' PC Hero's!
Have a fine bloomin' day!
Bruce
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Bruce, I posted reasons why it wont work. I wish it would but it cant, atleast not as designed. I'm not trying to "mock" anyone, I am trying to get people to think about things before jumping into them and wasting time. My reasoning is well justified and comes from expiriementing on my own.
I am only trying to help by steering people away from ideas that wont work so that they can keep investing their time thinking of some that can. I only will steer away if I know for a fact it will not work. When I do so, I will explain why it wont work unlike a lot of others who just do so to be mean without even giving a reason why it wont work.
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One thing I'm not clear on is where a lever would attach and what effect it would have an the 360 degree motion of the device?
Pete
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Hi Bruce,
I am offering to help replicate but if it is perceived as badgering then I will stop. I wish him good luck on his project.
What I'm experiencing in actually building the pendulum part is there is a twist in the platform. It is not just the weight being exactly centered it deals with the rollers also. What happens when you slam on the brakes in your car? The front goes down the back goes up.
In the pendulum as the weight goes forward it pushes the front of the platform down causing the front roller to brake slightly but the back roller is slightly freewheeling any kind of bump or vibration will shift the back roller out of it's 90 degree alignment with the platform. The platform is now being influenced by two different rolling angles of the rollers which make it twist which gets worse and worse on each swing.
I could add more rollers, fixed rollers or a track but that will change his design that he says works. I would just like clarification on how he handles that.
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The way you all are mocking the man is a shame!
Have you even read his posts. He talks like a little kid that thinks he's so smart putting everyone down. If anyone is doing mocking, it is him.
Try experimenting with something and posting something meaningful. Or, wait until you can go buy it at Walmart, since that is what you all are wanting. Show me, spell it out, draw it, give me a picture, a video, anything....
I guess that's what we are asking of him. He wants us to replicate but it would be nice to see the real thing, you know the one he built. A video of it working would also be nice. Do you just drop everything your working on to replicate a picture? Maybe sometimes but not always. Like I said, he said it works, so why not show us.
It is because of people like you that no one ever WANTS to even post anything real. Experiment with what has been given, or go back to being freakin' PC Hero's!
That's what we are worried about, if it's real. Are you going to build one? I don't know about others here but I'm not going to replicate something without some kind of proof that it works. If that was the case, we all would have a ton of money invested in half built OU devices that don't work.
And you don't have to mock us about being "freakin' PC hero's"
Do you remember the post you made in the other thread,
"No one will stomp on you if you have something that works. If all you have is untested or untried theory, that would be different. But if I read your words correctly, you have something that works, and the majority will listen."
I agree with you on this post. If he shows us a working model, which he says he has, there will be a lot of replications going on, I guarantee it.
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I've tried some simulations with wm2d, but I couldn't really find a way to make it work. Adding the barriers (no matter where they are placed) just stops the machine. Without barriers it swings but slows down slowly. However correct timing (correct barriers placing) isn't easy in wm2d, so maybe that's why it doesn't work for me.
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Have you even read his posts. He talks like a little kid that thinks he's so smart putting everyone down. If anyone is doing mocking, it is him.
I guess that's what we are asking of him. He wants us to replicate but it would be nice to see the real thing, you know the one he built. A video of it working would also be nice. Do you just drop everything your working on to replicate a picture? Maybe sometimes but not always. Like I said, he said it works, so why not show us.
That's what we are worried about, if it's real. Are you going to build one? I don't know about others here but I'm not going to replicate something without some kind of proof that it works. If that was the case, we all would have a ton of money invested in half built OU devices that don't work.
And you don't have to mock us about being "freakin' PC hero's"
Do you remember the post you made in the other thread,
"No one will stomp on you if you have something that works. If all you have is untested or untried theory, that would be different. But if I read your words correctly, you have something that works, and the majority will listen."
I agree with you on this post. If he shows us a working model, which he says he has, there will be a lot of replications going on, I guarantee it.
Look, I have no proof it works, but I have no proof it doesn't. It costs only a few dollars to build. If nothing else anyone trying will have learned something. For those who never experiment and never build might as well wait for the next FE product at Walmart.
Does anyone here know how many times one must fail, to succeed?
Those who build something do. I never said it was you or your post, but the general attitude displayed in some of the posts above posts I found objectionable.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Does anyone here know how many times one must fail, to succeed?
Cheers,
Bruce
Yes, success can come from failure as long as you learn from your own failure as well as others. Learn why you failed and as long as you dont make that mistake again, you will be succeeding. I see many here making the same mistake over and over again. I have made the same and found out why I did. I have explained this so others can think about it and understand how they have failed and or how a design with the same concept will fail. Magnets and gravity have equal pulling and or pushing statationary forces. Meaning, they either pull to the center from all sides or push from the center from all sides and those forces are equal and stationary from all sides. There is no way to over come those forces without adding a flow.
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ok so im bACK DID YOU LEARN ANYTHING ........yes i called you guys stupid ...but hard love is going to take its course ............
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Bruce, I posted reasons why it wont work. I wish it would but it cant, atleast not as designed. I'm not trying to "mock" anyone, I am trying to get people to think about things before jumping into them and wasting time. My reasoning is well justified and comes from expiriementing on my own.
I am only trying to help by steering people away from ideas that wont work so that they can keep investing their time thinking of some that can. I only will steer away if I know for a fact it will not work. When I do so, I will explain why it wont work unlike a lot of others who just do so to be mean without even giving a reason why it wont work.
oh i love you..... your just what i want ................just remember guys i teaching stage 1 but I am at sAGE ...5
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Have you even read his posts. He talks like a little kid that thinks he's so smart putting everyone down. If anyone is doing mocking, it is him.
I guess that's what we are asking of him. He wants us to replicate but it would be nice to see the real thing, you know the one he built. A video of it working would also be nice. Do you just drop everything your working on to replicate a picture? Maybe sometimes but not always. Like I said, he said it works, so why not show us.
That's what we are worried about, if it's real. Are you going to build one? I don't know about others here but I'm not going to replicate something without some kind of proof that it works. If that was the case, we all would have a ton of money invested in half built OU devices that don't work.
And you don't have to mock us about being "freakin' PC hero's"
Do you remember the post you made in the other thread,
"No one will stomp on you if you have something that works. If all you have is untested or untried theory, that would be different. But if I read your words correctly, you have something that works, and the majority will listen."
I agree with you on this post. If he shows us a working model, which he says he has, there will be a lot of replications going on, I guarantee it.
I LOVE YOU TOO .....TOO BAD .....you do not use your brain ......if you have one ......
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I do not think he will show a working model video because he does not have a working model as claimed... but I wish I was wrong. Sorry...
Bill
have a working model and making 30 more ...sorry to dis a point you .... but if you did the sim your hooked .....
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Protech
Sure is a lotta luv going around!
Being "blessedly free of the ravages of intelligence"
I'm having a hard time figuring out your PDF.It could just be my handicap
getting in the way [dummy stuff]
Will you be sharing anymore "how its done" ?
Thanks
Chet
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have a working model and making 30 more ...sorry to dis a point you .... but if you did the sim your hooked .....
Come on already. Enough with this foolishness. If you had a working model, no one would be disapointed and I really wish you did but it is impossible to have a working model as you have discribed. There is to much resistance for it to even be just perpetual. The added picture shows resistance points that must be overcome just for it to be perpetual not alone produce anything.
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sorry your a dick .... get a brain
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Come on already. Enough with this foolishness. If you had a working model, no one would be disapointed and I really wish you did but it is impossible to have a working model as you have discribed. There is to much resistance for it to even be just perpetual. The added picture shows resistance points that must be overcome just for it to be perpetual not alone produce anything.
guess you would the guy trying to make fire ..right TRy the sim brain
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Incredible Trying this man these guys are so smart ...... maybe they can cross the street ........ as long as mom helps incredible he did a simulation .. was it called dumb fk.. hell he knows ... maybe i should just take what works and say man you are right ....they told me it will not work...hell sorry fk ....try the sim ......
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You have some serious issues. Good day to you.
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Protech
Why you smart guys always pick on the less fortunate??
I thought you were trying to help??
Chet
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You have some serious issues. Good day to you.
and you have nothing ......
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Protech
Why you smart guys always pick on the less fortunate??
I thought you were trying to help??
Chet
I am I did ...oh fk look at the results
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Come on already. Enough with this foolishness. If you had a working model, no one would be disapointed and I really wish you did but it is impossible to have a working model as you have discribed. There is to much resistance for it to even be just perpetual. The added picture shows resistance points that must be overcome just for it to be perpetual not alone produce anything.
oh i love this you have no brian at all ...and if you do and aIm wrong do overunity
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Come on already. Enough with this foolishness. If you had a working model, no one would be disapointed and I really wish you did but it is impossible to have a working model as you have discribed. There is to much resistance for it to even be just perpetual. The added picture shows resistance points that must be overcome just for it to be perpetual not alone produce anything.
Your drawing is not even close to what was described- FYI
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Protech
Sure is a lotta luv going around!
Being "blessedly free of the ravages of intelligence"
I'm having a hard time figuring out your PDF.It could just be my handicap
getting in the way [dummy stuff]
Will you be sharing anymore "how its done" ?
Thanks
Chet
HI Chet;
what pdf are you referring to?
Thanks Pete
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Pete
When Bill [protech] first started "sharing" He spoke of downloading a PDF
The first Post in this thread was dedicated to that "PDF"
I must admit I'm not the sharpest Tack in the box,But It seems to me to be lacking some details?
IMHO
Chet
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Chet;
Thanks for the quick response it looks like I'm kinda grasping at straws myself.
Pete
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Your drawing is not even close to what was described- FYI
How is it not?
I am not here to play games. I do not take kindly to being personally attacked. Any real man would do that in person and if anyone wants to attack me in person, just email me and we can get together. Otherwise, you should do as I am and debate with justifyable reasoning and try not to make it personal.
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How is it not?
I am not here to play games. I do not take kindly to being personally attacked. Any real man would do that in person and if anyone wants to attack me in person, just email me and we can get together. Otherwise, you should do as I am and debate with justifyable reasoning and try not to make it personal.
Please read what the man wrote in his other thread.
Cheers,
Bruce
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How is it not?
I am not here to play games. I do not take kindly to being personally attacked. Any real man would do that in person and if anyone wants to attack me in person, just email me and we can get together. Otherwise, you should do as I am and debate with justifyable reasoning and try not to make it personal.
your a idiot I am giving away the farm and you say it can not be done... guy wake up ........what do you do in life a clerk for wallmart
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Bill
Thats my job!!
Be nice!!
Chet
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GUYS do the simulation I posted like $5.00 IF YOU HAVE NO MATERIAL AT ALL AT HOME,, FEEL THE EXPERIENCE .......I did it 2 years ago.......
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Bill
Thats my job!!
Be nice!!
Chet
lol do I need to be here ?????? how in th fk do people who have no idea tell you it does not work .....go figure
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Please read what the man wrote in his other thread.
Cheers,
Bruce
a base 2x4 will do maybe 12 inches long
a riser to attach a pendulum too
a pendulum
a weight attached to the pendulum
a way of limiting the movement of the base ( see dia )
a couple rollers for under the base
How is this any different then what I have shown? Come on people, wake up already.
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a base 2x4 will do maybe 12 inches long
a riser to attach a pendulum too
a pendulum
a weight attached to the pendulum
a way of limiting the movement of the base ( see dia )
a couple rollers for under the base
How is this any different then what I have shown? Come on people, wake up already.
Sigh... please read ALL of Bills posts from his other thread.
Cheers,
Bruce
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a base 2x4 will do maybe 12 inches long
a riser to attach a pendulum too
a pendulum
a weight attached to the pendulum
a way of limiting the movement of the base ( see dia )
a couple rollers for under the base
How is this any different then what I have shown? Come on people, wake up already.
like realty how do you teach a idiot?
here is a guy who in his best day was a nothing ...and he wants you to believe in him ....well its a free world
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Sigh... please read ALL of Bills posts from his other thread.
Cheers,
Bruce
I used magnets in my drawing which I have not been able to test but I have tested the design with stops. I find that the swinging action last longest when the stops are placed close to the wheels with about a sewing needles distance between the stops and the wheels. Timing is critical as he stated but even with the most precise timing, the resistance still can not be overcome and the swinging action adventually stops. If there was no restriction, it would mostlikely swing forever but still would not provide energy. You must provide a resistance to a movement to get a energy and any resistance added to this concept will adventually stop the motion. The more resistance added, the sooner the motion will stop.
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like realty how do you teach a idiot?
here is a guy who in his best day was a nothing ...and he wants you to believe in him ....well its a free world
I am fed up with your insults and personal attacks. I have not insulted you nor have I peronally attacked you. You have no reason to act as you are. I have provided justifyable reasoning as to why this concept will not work. I even went one further and tested it for myself so I could explain what happens as I did. Don't think you are safe and can attack people becuase you dont think they can find out who you are and or where you live becuase they can if they really want to.
Now lets try and start over and keep it civil from here on out.
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Until he shows a working model, which I doubt that he has, I wouldn't waste my time with this child. He says that he is retired, I don't think so. A grown man would never talk that way to and about others.
It's just IST back with a new name.
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The style of writing (...blah.dotdotdot.insult.dotdotdot.spelling error) really looks like IST. Might be a coincidence... probably.
Back to topic: regarding the Lego build I think we need more flywheel mass and larger dimensions for an effect. Also I agree with what Bruce said, I think we missed something with the mentioned leverage, however I am not clear how to implement it in a way that helps the device.
ok so lets add leverage to the equation ah we all know based on a fulcrum point the weight offset.... if we have a lever at 1 inch to the fulcrum and a lever length of 20 inches ...it just might lift a beer bottle lol......
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The style of writing (...blah.dotdotdot.insult.dotdotdot.spelling error) really looks like IST. Might be a coincidence... probably.
Back to topic: regarding the Lego build I think we need more flywheel mass and larger dimensions for an effect. Also I agree with what Bruce said, I think we missed something with the mentioned leverage, however I am not clear how to implement it in a way that helps the device.
Hi gauchor,
Please try adding the lever 1 inch in front of the fulcrum attached to the pendulum.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Hi folks, well there is one interesting thing about a pendulum that uses a string and is on wheels. That is that when the pendulum weight impacts the structure, it moves forward, whereas normally if the pendulum arm were rigid, there would be no movement at all of the pendulum structure on wheels.
So it could be used to propel a car or some other purpose.
peace love light
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@Bruce: I'm sorry, I still don't get it. Pardon me for these questions, because I might have understood something wrong.
These are the mentioned utils we need:
a base 2x4 will do maybe 12 inches long
a riser to attach a pendulum too
a pendulum
a weight attached to the pendulum
a way of limiting the movement of the base ( see dia )
a couple rollers for under the base
But then protech talks about a lever which is not listed. And you say I should attach a lever. Which lever? And where exactly should I attach a lever? And is this lever connected to anything? And with what purpose? There is some information missing.
The "riser" is the pillar I assume, therefore not the "lever". No lever shown in the sketch either.
I also don't think the lever is the axis where the pendulum is attached and which is on the pillar, because it would be called "axis".
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@Bruce: I'm sorry, I still don't get it. Pardon me for these questions, because I might have understood something wrong.
These are the mentioned utils we need:
But then protech talks about a lever which is not listed. And you say I should attach a lever. Which lever? And where exactly should I attach a lever? And is this lever connected to anything? And with what purpose? There is some information missing.
The "riser" is the pillar I assume, therefore not the "lever". No lever shown in the sketch either.
I also don't think the lever is the axis where the pendulum is attached and which is on the pillar, because it would be called "axis".
Hi gauschor,
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10659.msg283020#msg283020
Now, Bill says "to the fulcrum", so it must be either A) above or B) in front of. My guess is (B) because it would eliminate the twisting that dreamthinkbuild was speaking of.
The lever is attached to the pendulum and moves with the pendulum. You want your pendulum to be stiff, not wire or rope, etc.
See pic below -
Cheers,
Bruce
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Aaaah, thank you very much for this sketch and explanation, I understand now.
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well I sure don't get the lever idea at all. You would think he would put a 20 inch huge lever in his drawings. It might be just miss wording and protech won't clear it up. Wondering if it's an idea we all get and think it should work but need others to build it just to make sure. No offense Protech but if I built something that works for ever and keeps going back and forth I would be much more understanding and help other make it.
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Hi Everyone,
Using Phun I put this test video together. Proportion and timing are all off but I think this is the basic idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R-ypRlo8TY
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi Everyone,
Using Phun I put this test video together. Proportion and timing are all off but I think this is the basic idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R-ypRlo8TY
Cheers,
Chris
Hi Chris,
You have it on wheels not rollers. Do you have the lever 1" in FRONT of the fulcrum? Also try a sim, with rollers, having the lever 1" above the fulcrum.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Bruce, the rollors you are talking about add even more resistance. Wheels work better. As for a lever like you are talking about. That will just add more resistance. You need to keep it as simple as possible to get the best effect. I was up till 3am playing with it.
One thing I found about this concept is that it is like Veljko Milkovic's pendulum pump.
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Bruce, the rollors you are talking about add even more resistance. Wheels work better. As for a lever like you are talking about. That will just add more resistance. You need to keep it as simple as possible to get the best effect. I was up till 3am playing with it.
One thing I found about this concept is that it is like Veljko Milkovic's pendulum pump.
Hi Nightlife,
It is not my design, I am just stating how the man said he had it working. He said rollers, he said lever. Of course anyone may modify anything they want, because their way is better. But, IF his really works, might be a shame to have not played with it his way....
I kind of like the idea of a rocking chair bottom for the base, of course no idea if that would do anything...lol Gravity machines are NOT my forte'...lol
I only became involved, hoping that Bill had a machine that worked and was really going to open source.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Bruce, I know it's not your design but I don't understand the lever. I thought he was talking about the arm the weight is attached to. The same with the rollers. I thought he was referring to rollers as wheels and wheels would provide less resistance and this concept must have as less resistance as it can to get the best results.
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At this point, it is obvious that he doesn't have a working unit now or ever. He said he built one 2 years ago but has yet to show us even a picture. He doesn't have one that works as he said because he can't. It is impossible to have a working unit based on his concept.
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At this point, it is obvious that he doesn't have a working unit now or ever. He said he built one 2 years ago but has yet to show us even a picture. He doesn't have one that works as he said because he can't. It is impossible to have a working unit based on his concept.
Guys, I have been on this forum since 2007 and can safely say we have seen this countless times before.
Who recognises this mode of conduct...
Newish member states they have it,
says how easy it is when you 'Know',
provides very sketchy details, with vague descriptions and line drawings if at all,
starts ranting and sometimes being abusive to genuine questions,
causes multiple arguments between long-time members, for and against, feasible or not etc
says they are leaving the site...
Comes straight back with more ranting,
leave.
rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
It clearly is lots of fun for some people, if you are that way inclined.
Divide and conquer.
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bourne
Yes we get a lot of dreamers,I must be honest ,I haven't seen many Scammers Post a "Name"! To me credibility goes up when there's no "hiding behind a handle".
I like to think people today have better things to do than Mess with sincere men trying to leave this world a better place than they found it!
I hope Bill is not just "having fun"??
As always, Time will tell.
Chet
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Ok I've been biting my tongue on this but besides sounding a lot like IST here's what I think. I believe this statement from protech tells it all : "UNLESS YOU ARE BRIAN DEAD YOU CAN NOT USE THIS..........."
Firstly we'll assume the B-R-I-A-N is just a typo for BRAIN as there was no one called Brian in on this. But look carefully at this rather oxymoronic statement from which you can logically infer that 'You must be brain dead to use this device. It clearly states "you can not use this unless you are brain dead, i.e. stupid or worse". Besides the obvious very insulting language I'm going to call this a Freudian slip on his part. He let the cat out of the bag right there. IMO Game Over. If I'm wrong and he has something I'll apologize. But I won't beg for tidbits of info from someone who is this egotistical and rude to everyone even if it was for a real PM device.
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Chet
I totally agree the name was unusual which is why I tried the anagram search a few pages back.
If there truly is suppression going on, then this is a very good place for divide and conquer tactics. Whether it is intentional or not, coordinated or not, think of the countless hours of quality thinking time wasted on figuring out if someone is an idiot or not.
I loose a lot of respect for people who call others idiots or the suchlike because they can't understand something presented to them. It never occurs to them to think their explanation might be at fault.
Peace
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@E2M
I like the idea of it being IST far more than a sinister plot to disrupt our tinkering.
:D
anagram of W K Coombs is 'bow mocks'
Brian something something mocks....who?
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Ok, this device built after the sketch alone will obviously not work. Now the question is how can we use the lever in a way that the device never stops or even create excess energy. I guess this is the part where we must use BRIAN, otherwise we are "realty stupid" :(
The tug shall lift a beer bottle: this in itself could of course be something like excess energy - maybe this is all he wanted to tell us: the swinging pendulum will diminish each time, however the tug is so large that - if we could feedback that power to the swinging pendulum (combined with the correct timing...) we are done. Therefore the device in the picture he showed us could indeed be overunity, it's just not that obvious at the first moment.
This also explains why he said the picture is only "Stage1" and he is at "Stage5". I am not sure though how we can use this lever to achive what we need.
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Ok, this device built after the sketch alone will obviously not work. Now the question is how can we use the lever in a way that the device never stops or even create excess energy. I guess this is the part where we must use BRIAN, otherwise we are "realty stupid" :(
The tug shall lift a beer bottle: this in itself could of course be something like excess energy - maybe this is all he wanted to tell us: the swinging pendulum will diminish each time, however the tug is so large that - if we could feedback that power to the swinging pendulum (combined with the correct timing...) we are done. Therefore the device in the picture he showed us could indeed be overunity, it's just not that obvious at the first moment.
This also explains why he said the picture is only "Stage1" and he is at "Stage5". I am not sure though how we can use this lever to achive what we need.
Hi gauschor,
What if the lever uses a pully to lift a weight, and then, with the correct timing releases it again?? Utilize a pulley, and latch.
Or maybe the lever opens a spring, a certain tension is reached and the springs closes, giving back a little force to the levers downswing!
Cheers,
Brucer
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Hi gauschor,
What if the lever uses a pully to lift a weight, and then, with the correct timing releases it again?? Utilize a pulley, and latch.
Or maybe the lever opens a spring, a certain tension is reached and the springs closes, giving back a little force to the levers downswing!
Yes, I think. We need to add tension. Perhaps a rubber band, or several, until the right tension is found.
Cheers,
Brucer
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I don't want to be seen as completely negative towards this thread, but I think I might have something to add.
After reading the posts about the lever, I think Bruce's picture (reply #76) is wrong.
I think what is required is the lever be mounted 'through' the axle of the swing point as you have it now, enabling the pendulum to move up and down balancing the weight of the pendulum (1unit in front of upright 20 behind upright). This with the carriages side to side movement will allow the pivot or swing point of the pendulum to move in a circle relative to its movement.
Just like your hand would do when swinging a ball on a string, make little circles to keep the ball constantly accelerating.
I hope this helps :)
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We are given a list of materials , and it does not include any pulleys or springs . I am reminded of a rhyme from the story of Rumplestiltskin .
Although today I brew and bake ,
tomorrow the Queens own child I`ll Take ,
THIS GUESSING GAME YOU`LL NEVER WIN,
Coz my name is Rumplestiltskin .
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@bourne: thanks for the new input. You might have a point here.
And this is exactly it: where speculation and guesswork begins. Pointless. At least a real picture of the device would be helpful, to see that it's not only a big bad lie to waste our time and keep us busy with non-functional things.
@neptune: correct.
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I don't want to be seen as completely negative towards this thread, but I think I might have something to add.
After reading the posts about the lever, I think Bruce's picture (reply #76) is wrong.
I think what is required is the lever be mounted 'through' the axle of the swing point as you have it now, enabling the pendulum to move up and down balancing the weight of the pendulum (1unit in front of upright 20 behind upright). This with the carriages side to side movement will allow the pivot or swing point of the pendulum to move in a circle relative to its movement.
Just like your hand would do when swinging a ball on a string, make little circles to keep the ball constantly accelerating.
I hope this helps :)
Hi bourne,
Excellent post! You may indeed be correct! And that sounds exactly what he was describing. Anyway can you put together a quick picture?
Cheers,
Bruce
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Here is the picture I had in my head
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This looks indeed interesting... Thanks for the visualisation
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WOW bourne,
Now I can better understand his "Timing" comment!
At the very least this will be fun to play with!
Thanks
Chet
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WOW bourne,
Thanks
Chet
Thanks, if this is what was indeed intended by protech it's a good way to see it. Two linear oscillators working together to form the circular motion needed.
I still think as it stands there will be too many losses for it to sustain for very long. Any oscillator with losses will eventually dampen to nothing.
For instance;
Rollers under a chunk of wood could be replaced with linear bearings. No twisting.
The pairs of repelling magnets on the buffers, I think, are a good idea, might even help in returning some of the energy from the sideways portion of the movement.
The lever will have to be very well balanced and the length ratio match the oscillation speed.
Where the pendulum meets the lever will need to be a gimbal mount as the lever motion will try and upset the gyroscopic effect of the pendulum.
Friction.
If, after all these variables are made perfect I still don't think you would be able to extract any useful work because of this..
When swinging a ball on a string your hand movements 'Leads' the ball to constantly pull the string, causing it to accelerate. This set-up will always be 'following' the pendulum weight (lever reacting to the pendulum not pendulum reacting to the lever) causing it to stall at some point.
I could be completely wrong.
Any thoughts?
Forgot to add; If I can borrow a set of linear bearings from a friend at work I will give this some tinkering time.
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@ Bourne
Nice drawing!! It looks like Mr. Milkovic's mechanical oscillation system on rollers.
Should be fun to experiment with a low cost set-up.
I can see some promise.... but need to do some hands on.
Bill
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Some more simulations done on wm2d. Effect: looks like PM performing additional work ;] However I don't like the spring used in the simulation model - never liked the way they act on wm2d. Will do additional checks. It's a variation on Veljko Milković double oscilation model, however not used in the way Veljko uses it.
Edit: Actually there are 5 different oscilations going on over here ;]
Edit2: Oh dear. Spring eliminated. Only 3 oscilations left. Huge ammount of additional work done. Not sure if PM because of sim time limitations. Through the whole time frame the construction of total weight 30 kg is moving all the time without stopping and doing work on 300kg wheel (rotating it back and forth). I've never seen that before. Simple construction. No part to apply any sim limitation (bug) on. Looks good. Too good.
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Any thoughts?
I don't think the magnets will work. It needs to have a sudden stop at the base and magnets will soften the stop.
I think wheels will work just fine but I will try it with both wheels and rollers.
I did do some preliminary testing with the lever and pentium as you have pictured and it may benefit the overall outcome. I like odd configurations. There is three movements per move which makes me want to try it out. If anything, it should benefit a Milković style pump which someone I know is thinking about building. I off to build this and I will report my findings later.
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I am sorry but I have to stop playing with this becuase something else just caught my attention. Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cughym4y7Ow
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I am sorry but I have to stop playing with this becuase something else just caught my attention. Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cughym4y7Ow
Hi nightlife,
The title is "APRIL FOOLS" spelled backwards! You may want to come back to this, please.
Cheers,
Bruce
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Hi nightlife,
The title is "APRIL FOOLS" spelled backwards! You may want to come back to this, please.
Cheers,
Bruce
LOL, I just caught that.
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Uhm, what has this video to do with the current topic ???
@Airstriker: can you please show a screenshot of the setup you made in wm2d,the one which runs forever? Mostly simulators contain programming flaws if they act like a PM, but this time maybe not... who knows
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maybe it could work with controlling the magnetic flux of side magnets.
and getting gain from gravity
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Uhm, what has this video to do with the current topic ???
@Airstriker: can you please show a screenshot of the setup you made in wm2d,the one which runs forever? Mostly simulators contain programming flaws if they act like a PM, but this time maybe not... who knows
Screenshot unfortunatelly not - got memory issues on my computer when running this simulation (not because of the simulation but many other stuff runinng at the same time) and couldn't do a screenshot. Anyway I will rebuild it, make movie, pictures and working model if I don't see anything wrong with it (and I actually don't, as it's simple as... well I don't know, but it's simple ;).
So protech - who's first ? :P
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Hi everyone
Lets assume that there might be something to this. Let us also assume that the one piece of information that we have been given that seems significant is what we need to test.
That being the 20-1 ratio for the lever. i.e. 1 unit in front of fulcrum 20 behind fulcrum.
Lets now make some more assumptions.
As the up and down movement is only part of the total circular movement required I am going to assume the side to side portion is also governed by the same rule.
If 1 in front and 20 behind leaves an excess of 19 behind? Yes?
This 19 behind needs to be balanced with the pendulum, so at rest they are perfectly perpendicular to each other and the upright. And when the pendulum is in motion at a certain speed will oscillate nicely together without crashing
Am I right in thinking this rule (should it be true) should apply to the carriage and wheels assembly so the side to side portion of the movement is also balanced nicely when the pendulum is in motion?
If so crashing into end-stops is not the way forward. I would assume that the weight of the carriage and wheels, if perfectly matched to the pendulum using the same rule as for the lever would not need end-stops. But just oscillate over a certain range of travel equivalent to the levers motion.
Thus producing a very tight circle for the pendulums fulcrum to travel in while it is spinning. Hopefully causing acceleration.
Any thoughts?
@Airstriker I would love to see those screen shots.
@Nightlife Is that really the first time you ave seen lasersabre's April fools joke video? hahaha
@anyone which thread was it that had the wm2d simulations of the synchronous orbit flywheel with the motors and generators as the axles?? Did I see that here or somewhere else.
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bourne, "@Nightlife Is that really the first time you ave seen lasersabre's April fools joke video? hahaha"
HAHA, very funny.
It was the first time. I had taken a break from everything for a while and I just recently started to get back to playing with some ideas.
It was a good joke and I cant believe I fell for it and for that I deserve the abuse. So bring it on. LOL
I didn't play with the concept you mentioned yet but I hope to later after I complete the hunnydo list.
When I played with the first concept I mentioned my results about, the stops were mandatory and placement was critical to get the best results. Now, I think balance for the lever is going to mandatory and matching weights and the size of the base will need to be played with to see what ratios work the best.
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New guy, here, I used a pic before to modify, as I am not good on CAD , etc. If this is against rules I will delete. But seems the sudden stop might loose to much energy, so was thinking more of a "roller coaster" effect..Hope this drawing makes sense.
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@nightlife :) hehe You are quite safe, you are allowed some time off and consequently will miss a few things. How could you miss the name in the title?!?! Dazzled by the bright lights maybe. :)
@hhobrian Welcome !
You are welcome to modify the picture. I can assure you it is not a CAD representation, it is in fact a pencil and paper drawing scanned into microsoft paint to add the labels. I agree about the endstops and the 'roller coaster' idea might be something worth exploring.
I have made a short video of where I am with this at the moment. I went shopping this morning. I acquired some aluminium sections and have been very fortunate with some bearings salvaged from an old VCR.
http://youtu.be/Ne2dlV6FX2Q (http://youtu.be/Ne2dlV6FX2Q)
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@Bourne
Nice video!! I look forward to your progress.
Bill
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I think the lever should have three pivit points.
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have a working model and making 30 more ...sorry to dis a point you .... but if you did the sim your hooked .....
Bill, so if you are making 30 more are you planning to sell these?
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I think the lever should have three pivit points.
Do you mean parallel motion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_motion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_motion)
I totally agree nightlife, my lever assembly I built last night is considerably upset by the change of angle of the face of the lever
After tinkering I have found I made a schoolboy error with the weight calculations for the pendulum. Instead of 45g. I needed 356g. to balance the lever :-\
This makes it very difficult to see how my thin pieces of aluminium are going to hold up against a pendulum of over 350g. spinning at any speed let alone the gentle swinging I was performing last night. I have yet to connect the upright to the carriage as per the beginning of this thread.
I did have a bit of play on the pendulum pivot, but this just allowed the pendulum to swing off axis and hit the upright.
I will say, with gentle controlled swinging the end off the arm was bobbing up and down in reaction to the pendulum, as expected.
So back to the drawing board for me, the lever does need to be a parallelogram to function correctly. Which makes this a far more complicated build.
It's never easy is it :D ;D
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Take a look at this video.. maybe there is way to change the pivot point with a lever action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9P3Rh3Q_gI
Bill
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bourne, my picture is showing what the top of the lever would look like. I was afraid you were going to run into that problem but it really isn't going to be hard to fix. At least I hopenot. LOL
My picture was not a good one. I will try to post a better one. I was unable to get my parts last night. The hunnydo list took to much time. I will be getting them today.
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I think the lever's pivot needs to be like a roller or small wheel so when the lever goes up and down, the roller would also cause the pivot point to move side to side. If what I vision, and it works, this is really very simple. I will have to get some parts, but this looks worth a try.
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I am still not sure what to do with the outer end of the horizontal lever? Put it on a spring or what? (This is actually the reason I'd like to see Aristrikers setup :D)
It may have indeed have similarities to the mentioned Veljko Milković device http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvst47E5CvM, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvst47E5CvM,) ,although one can see that the energy put into the system would be much weaker, however one would need additional constructions.... hmmm, but thats not exactly what is proposed here from 'protech' I assume. Milkovic has no rolling carriage.
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I am still not sure what to do with the outer end of the horizontal lever? Put it on a spring or what? (This is actually the reason I'd like to see Aristrikers setup :D)
It may have indeed have similarities to the mentioned Veljko Milković device http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvst47E5CvM, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvst47E5CvM,) ,although one can see that the energy put into the system would be much weaker, however one would need additional constructions.... hmmm, but thats not exactly what is proposed here from 'protech' I assume. Milkovic has no rolling carriage.
@gauschor That is a very telling video thanks for posting it, it shows the assembly can do work without upsetting the swing of the pendulum, but notice, this is 'in-line' with the swing of the pendulum. In protech's initial suggestion this will transpose as the carriage. Which as we can see from the video can do work. He (protech) is suggesting adding an additional lever at the top to extract work from the up and down portion of the pendulum swing. Effectively doubling the output of the Veljko Milković device. Or using one (lever) output to keep the pendulum moving while, at the same time, extracting work from the carriage output.
Also The movement is the same as my observations last night, the lever arm does a 'double bob' on each swing
@maw2432 I have seen that video before, correctly timed shifts in the axle builds bigger swings. Just like your hand when swinging a ball on a string
@nightlife I have enclosed a picture of what I mean, hopefully it is clear enough.
Initially I thought this was a device to maintain a pendulums circular orbit around a fixed point, after watching gauschor's posted video, I am now not so sure. Maybe just maintaining a gentle swing will be sufficient and no heavy industrial parts will be required.
I need to construct my carriage and start from there, trying various combinations of pendulum and carriage mass, THEN add the lever to help maintain the swing.
Any thoughts?
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Initially I thought this was a device to maintain a pendulums circular orbit around a fixed point, after watching gauschor's posted video, I am now not so sure.
Actually I also think that a circular orbit of the pendulum should be maintained when I look at protech's sketch, and not only simple swinging movement :| Can't say for sure now that 2 possibilities are given *scratching head*
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Actually I also think that a circular orbit of the pendulum should be maintained when I look at protech's sketch, and not only simple swinging movement :| Can't say for sure now that 2 possibilities are given *scratching head*
Maybe it is additive and if left to run will form full orbits (as shown in the video posted by maw reply118). If a portion of this is extracted to do work it will only maintain a swing.
These are all just assumptions though.
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So,
Bill Coombs You ever gonna take the steering wheel here Bud?
You didn't do this for Mullah or fame?
Definately not trying to win any Popularity Contests!!
How's about the Kids? The ones that Shiver themselves to sleep in fear?
Things can Get real Busy Real Fast in our world!
Seems like Where running around with matches and this world is one big powder keg!
OIL, Guns And Pills!
Lets Change the world Bill,
Grab the F'n Wheel,
You Drivin??,You said "We going for a ride"
Chet
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Chet : I am very much afraid that we as earthlings have just about reached that proverbial point of no return. Many people still think that its green house gasses that will do us in. But I beg to differ!!!
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Sorry guys but I have had no luck. Anyone else having any luck? I am having a hard time with the pivit at the end of the lever.
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Sorry guys but I have had no luck. Anyone else having any luck? I am having a hard time with the pivit at the end of the lever.
Hi nightlife,
Please try the pivot below, in it's proper place and see if it works. Thanks! I think everone is over complicating this machine.
Below, one pivot, can go left or right, and allows the lever to go up and down. The fulcrum is the center of gravity on the lever with the pendelum and weight, to the upright. Go 1 inch from this (try both forwards an inch and if no go, try backwards and inch, and this is where the lever is installed on the pivot. The pivot is installed in the upright.
Cheers,
Bruce
EDIT:
1 inch in FRONT of the fulcrum (levers center of gravity)
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@ Nightlife
Sorry but I do not see how the pivot point both goes up and down as well as to left and right in your drawing... can you help a bit more?
Balance is crucial.... as seen below...enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=jJrzIdDUfT4&vq=medium
Bill
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How about using a caster wheel with the wheel removed. Then mount it upside down on the support. Put the lever on the pivot point where the wheel axle was removed. Then attach the pendulum to the lever.
Bill
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Sorry guys but I have had no luck. Anyone else having any luck? I am having a hard time with the pivit at the end of the lever.
No nightlife. I am confused by this thread now.
I have my carriage built using ball-bearing draw-runners and was going to do some tests with the pendulum, But..
My attention has been drawn away by RomeroUK's device in the Muller's dynamo thread, you know the one, where he is showing a working device in a video and being really helpful answering questions about a replication.
Those are the sorts of threads people should be putting their time into, rather than the constant confusing speculation and conjecture of threads like these.
Someone tell protech we don't need him any more.
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/signed
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Someone tell protech we don't need him any more.
Actually we do need him. Oh well, if you're not interested....
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not completely relevant but I thought you guys might enjoy this.
http://www.wimp.com/pendulumwaves/
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Spiral
NICE!!
@Hey Bill When you said you were almost out of time...............
Watcha In the "Big House"??
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Chet
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Your grat iday plz send the video and ho is work