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Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: christo4_99 on April 25, 2011, 06:32:46 AM
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Well guys i had it two years ago...but there was a flaw in my thinking/design...but i worked it out.I will not give the design away here i worked hard for it.I just want you all to know that Bessler was no fraud and neither am i.
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Without giving away any design details did you ever get a model or working prototype to run and for how long
Kind Regards
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I have not built it yet.But it is "the" principle and it will work.I am just trying here to clear a man's credibility and mine of course,and to tell all of those people who have gone down this road that there are fruits to be had here and that their time has not been wasted.I will post a video on youtube of the working wheel when i have it built...with the mechanism covered up of course.I'd like to thank Stephan for starting this web site.
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Many thanks for your reply, I wish you well when you build it
Kind Regards
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Well guys i had it two years ago...but there was a flaw in my thinking/design...but i worked it out.I will not give the design away here i worked hard for it.I just want you all to know that Bessler was no fraud and neither am i.
Hello,
Word of caution, by what you have just said..."but i worked it out.I will not give the design" you have probably shot the yourself in the foot. Such statements are a dime a dozen in these strange parts...To those who do not know you, you have painted a bulls-eye on you forehead reading "im another dellusional self righeous prophet who loves to soak in others efforts and contributions, but refuse to give kindly in turn....
Freely You have received, Freely give. -Christ-
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that is a seriously fucked up thing to say beginning with " word of caution ". i'm out dis bitch.thx.
Such statements are a dime a dozen in these strange parts...To those who do not know you, you have painted a bulls-eye on you forehead reading "im another dellusional self righeous prophet who loves to soak in others efforts and contributions, but refuse to give kindly in turn....
I'm more of a barter type of guy...what exactly do you have to offer buddy?no,i don't like what you said because you seem to have missed the point which is:i didn't get this idea from anyone except Bessler himself...and i cannot thank him personally so I am giving him the word of praise that he never got although he is not around to receive it.you are on the dark side my friend.
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furthermore i have already expressed my thanks to the moderator/founder of the board.what exactly do you want me to give away?is it the very same secret that Bessler himself craftily kept concealed and died with after being ridiculed and tagged as a pretender/madman all his life by the majority of society?most of these people on here are no more secure in their beliefs about this particular subject than i was up until the last few days.but now i know it is possibly and i know the exact method of achieving it.what i am attempting to do is set the record straight about a man that deserved to be taken quite a bit more seriously in his day than he was and at the same time reassure those people who have pursued this fantasy albeit a reality of perpetual motion .Better late than never i always say.The person who really deserves the praise Is Johann Ernst Elias Bessler but it's too late for that.
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furthermore i have already expressed my thanks to the moderator/founder of the board.what exactly do you want me to give away?is it the very same secret that Bessler himself craftily kept concealed and died with after being ridiculed and tagged as a pretender/madman all his life by the majority of society?most of these people on here are no more secure in their beliefs about this particular subject than i was up until the last few days.but now i know it is possibly and i know the exact method of achieving it.what i am attempting to do is set the record straight about a man that deserved to be taken quite a bit more seriously in his day than he was and at the same time reassure those people who have pursued this fantasy albeit a reality of perpetual motion .Better late than never i always say.The person who really deserves the praise Is Johann Ernst Elias Bessler but it's too late for that.
I said it with good intentions. I apologize. The world is not against you, i have just seen people get torn apart for such statements. Generally people dont care about "the record" here, this is an Open Source community.
I have alot to share. If you would like to see my work go ahead.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5762-missing-fundamental-generator.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6557-charge-conserving-capacitive-spring.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5199-eccentric-transformer-theory.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7865-interesting-concept-water-purification-system.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5762-missing-fundamental-generator.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5952-capacitive-sink-hole.html
Each of these threads (and more) represent hours if not years of research, given freely, because I have received so much in return without asking.
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well...first off i am broke and always have been...might still always be but this is like my one shot.just trying to celebrate my triumph along with an old friend i have some sentiment for.and as far as this being a open source community i like to limit myself to thinking free energy...not open source technology per se.i know the world needs saving as much as anyone.when people get sight of this it will change things,i'm sure.until then i will try to get what i can for it.
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well...first off i am broke and always have been...might still always be but this is like my one shot.
I bet the next thing is asking for investors, right?
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@christo4-99 . Nothing will change .People will not get sight of it .You have chosen your path .Amen .
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Christo4_99 the best thing for you to do is to get a GNU/GPL license for your technology and make a full disclosure to the public. This way you will undoubtedly be the father of this technology while your device will be put to use instead of on a shelf to be forgotten.
If that is not enough let me assure you that you will earn more than enough money giving speeches at colleges and universities around the world for $30k-$50k per speech if not more.
As other have said the selfish path always leads to failure. I hope you see the logic in this and choose the selfless path for yourself, for humanity, and for the planet.
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Christo4_99 the best thing for you to do is to get a GNU/GPL license for your technology and make a full disclosure to the public. This way you will undoubtedly be the father of this technology while your device will be put to use instead of on a shelf to be forgotten.
If that is not enough let me assure you that you will earn more than enough money giving speeches at colleges and universities around the world for $30k-$50k per speech if not more.
As other have said the selfish path always leads to failure. I hope you see the logic in this and choose the selfless path for yourself, for humanity, and for the planet.
Tenbatsu
How can the GNL/GPL license that is designed for dealing with software have any validation and protection on an invention of a physical device?
Be careful of misinterpreting software laws for hardware, so to speak.
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I have not built it yet.But it is "the" principle and it will work.I am just trying here to clear a man's credibility and mine of course,and to tell all of those people who have gone down this road that there are fruits to be had here and that their time has not been wasted.I will post a video on youtube of the working wheel when i have it built...with the mechanism covered up of course.I'd like to thank Stephan for starting this web site.
Congratulations christo4_99 on your perceived success. Remarkable that you and Alan now have potentially working wheels, from my standpoint it is going to be interesting how you guys handle this as I am still in a dilemma about what to do.
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Christo4
Wow, Now I can sleep tonight!
Bessler was no Fraud...............
Geeese Wait till I tell the boys in the trenches,they'll be SSsoooo
relieved..........................
So will all the folks over in Japan ![and East]
Holy Cow ,Can't wait to tell the Kids!!
Thanks Bud!!
Chet
PS
Bill
I've heard it said "lead by example"!
A few of the men that have posted in these threads recently,Are just such Men!
"Great Men"
Your example Could really "change the world"!
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I tend to agree with armagdn03 and I might add he's a very sharp guy. I know it might have come off a little rough sounding but when you've been looking at alternate energy research for 20 years like I have you come to realize many people are certain they have it. And some of them have been very smart people but when it got built it did not work. Then there are those who are sure they have something only to find out it's a measurement error. Of course there's the lesser discussed situation where someone has something for real but it is not any good in the real world due to non-competitiveness in energy generation, i.e. it costs too much or has other problems that make it NOT real world usable. I've always believed Bessler had something that worked but it needed clockwork precision or some hidden element to work. Glad you have found it.
If it turns out to be something that can be used for real world energy generation you may want to check www.panacea.org where you can read pages of stories about inventors that came up with real devices and how they went wrong it trying to get it developed or make money and why you've never heard of them. Don't paint a bullseye on your forehead. Going about it the way most have tried is guaranteed to make it vaporize into the ether of lost inventions.
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I have not built it yet. But it is "the" principle and it will work.
Of course... sigh...
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2/3 finished ::)
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You know, if you can really make a Bessler wheel work you have solved two problems. Everyone thinks energy generation, but if you can really keep the center of gravity of an object always changing then you can use the same principle to produce propulsion from internal sources (an inertia thruster if that is what they call them). At any rate, build a prototype and if it works you can make two inventions from one.
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i think they need to bring back half baked ideas
and then add another thread called "people who claim to have solved it without any proof"
first off, you have no idea or right to suggest that anything you've done or thought of can be proven to be used by Bessler, even if the idea works you have absolutely no proof it was his model or concept
thats why i am not fond of Bessler threads
everything is speculation, why cant people just say "Bessler inspired thinking"
most likely you think it will work because the 14 people you know have no idea how to analyze a gravity wheel concept device, and tell you your smart because they never even heard about a PMM or free energy.
most likely your idea has been on here 100 times in 100 different ways that all fail, and someone (like me or most of the people on here) could tell you how it doesn't work or where it will get stuck with one look and then you will look very foolish, or just remain another one of the anonymous random child crying wolf
honestly i find this as annoying as those fake videos that claim to be true and then you find out it was an air compressor on the side and fake white noise was added to make it appear legitimate
please prove me false, otherwise its better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and prove me right
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this is the same kind of thing Bessler dealt with,doubt and disbelief and people thinking they are authorities on a subject which they really tangibly know nothing about.why?because nobody has a working wheel.Bessler had a working wheel.Somebody called me a newb.Just because you spent 40 years failing to get results doesn't make you and expert.I don't need my design evaluated by anyone.Have some humility.i still hold this statement: and yes,i can prove the Bessler connection...and 40 years of failure to produce a working wheel does not qualify you as an expert...you may be younger but still same idea.
P.S. when i was 17 i invented a way to cancel binaural crosstalk in stereo speakers similar to what matthew polk and bob carver did back in the day...this opens up the true stereo image available on the recordings.point being...i'm no dummy.to whoever might be inclined to make derogatory statements in this thread be prepared to eat your words,for the harsher they are the more uncomfortable they may be going down.
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You know, if you can really make a Bessler wheel work you have solved two problems. Everyone thinks energy generation, but if you can really keep the center of gravity of an object always changing then you can use the same principle to produce propulsion from internal sources (an inertia thruster if that is what they call them). At any rate, build a prototype and if it works you can make two inventions from one.
yes a turning shaft seems to be the most on demand thing besides basic resources on the earth,my girlfriend even likes it that way ;)
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Chris: Keep plugging away and good luck hope you get it :) to work, pay no attention to the naysayers!!!
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Well
I suppose we get what we deserve ,Its all Goodtimes Huh Christo4?Really Smart guy building cool sound systems , Spinnin your girl friend around and all........
I guess when they hand you a rifle ,and send you to some nice warm place in the desert
Maybe then you'll understand whats at stake?
Till then [any day now] Have fun.............
Enjoy your big secret!
Chet
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ironically, telling someone they need to be more humble is not showing humility
the speaker suggests that they are in a higher position of morality than the subject
people who have to tell me they are smart makes me less inclined to believe them
i never said you were not intelligent, i only said that most likely no one you are in contact with has any idea (including yourself) to correctly analyze a gravity motor concept
you said a very interesting thing about ambiophonics, and i would very much like to hear what your contribution or invention was/is. any patent numbers i could check out? in what ways is it a reflection of matt polk? was this an addition or adaptation to his pre-existing methods? i don't doubt you, i honestly am just curious.
all that eating words stuff is funny considering you haven't shown anything
one thing i have found is that people who feel the need to tell me that they are smart generally tend not to be as sharp as they think they are.
like honestly, if you are so intelligent how can you not see what you're doing? what would you say to someone who does what you are doing now. if i told you i created a speaker that was a million times better than whatever your audio invention was, but refused to tell you what it was, you might say
"wow i am so happy for you. i am so glad that your design made my obsolete and look like a child put it together. thank the lord for your impeccable ability to create such a wonderful system of speakers that i don't have to listen to on headphones. Of course you don't have to tell me, just knowing that you did it makes me happy"
or would it be
"thats bull shit, i won't believe you improved upon my design until you prove it to me. i have been doing this forever and i probly already thought of your design and i know why yours won't work as well as mine because i have already tested your idea in a similar way that didn't work as well as the idea i came up with when i was 17"
guess which one i would pick
..........................(the second one)
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what?
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I'm looking for a good informative how to, for free energy... So just out of curiosity and want to know, can someone PLEASE point me to the other thread that "jacked" this one? Thanks in advance,
John
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I'm looking for a good informative how to, for free energy... So just out of curiosity and want to know, can someone PLEASE point me to the other thread that "jacked" this one? Thanks in advance,
John
Good one Tek.
BTW, how are you making out with your wheel Christo4_99? Any updates or info?
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I'm looking for a good informative how to, for free energy... So just out of curiosity and want to know, can someone PLEASE point me to the other thread that "jacked" this one? Thanks in advance,
John
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10631.0
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i'll be honest here...i just noticed something that nobody else on these boards or besserwheel.com or anywhere else on the net seemed to notice.i know because i have looked for it. i am working out the details and when i understand it i will build it correctly.
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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10631.0
Thanks Christo, But I think you missed my point. We need help from you!!!
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Tektron
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you missed my point
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TEK
You must have missed the part where Christo4 said ,He was "NOT"
going to Share "How its done"!
Just post a NAH, NAH Vid ,! No details!
Chet
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You must have missed the part where Christo4 said ,He was "NOT"
going to Share "How its done"!
Just post a NAH, NAH Vid ,! No details!
Chet
That's the odd thing, isn't it.
He's going to prove that both he and Bessler created a working device by showing said device running while concealing the "missing" piece of the Bessler puzzle that makes the machine work.
It doesn't sound like a world breaking discovery... It sounds like history is repeating itself.
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That's the odd thing, isn't it.
He's going to prove that both he and Bessler created a working device by showing said device running while concealing the "missing" piece of the Bessler puzzle that makes the machine work.
It doesn't sound like a world breaking discovery... It sounds like history is repeating itself.
I missed the spot where he said he wasn't going to show or help us. Why then, is he here??
Hahaha, I can make one too and conceal the motor or I mean missing puzzle piece.
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QUESTION:Does this sound interesting to anyone?...A movie about Bessler's life and how he was unfairly treated as though he was trying to deceive people by putting a spring or something in his devices or by pretending to do what is "scientifically impossible" which ends with me here 300 or so years later sympathizing with him to the point of tears when i discovered something quite different than what he discovered but at the same time the same...
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Not unless you plan on telling us about it.
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You would only have to go see the movie...is that too much to ask?
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You would only have to go see the movie...is that too much to ask?
Christo, I'm sorry, I must have missed something, What movie please?
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i have discovered Bessler's secret and something which i consider to be very special about the man himself and i wanna make a movie about it for international release and it will have an insurmountable ending!
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i have discovered Bessler's secret and something which i consider to be very special about the man himself and i wanna make a movie about it for international release and it will have an insurmountable ending!
Thanks, I can't wait! Do you have a time frame when we can expect it?
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i have discovered Bessler's secret and something which i consider to be very special about the man himself and i wanna make a movie about it for international release and it will have an insurmountable ending!
Honestly..?
If it shows the creation of a perpetual motion device running, explains how it runs and it's possible to recreate it purely by watching the film then, yes, I would go and watch it at the cinema and pre-book the seats for the first showing.
If it's just a lot of "artistic license" and dramatisation with no real factual basis then I would probably put it on my LoveFilm subscription with a low priority depending providing it got more than two stars on LoveFilm/IMDB.
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christo4_99
Taking a bow a little soon are you not?
Each time we turn another stone of the puzzle it is a form of revaluation. Most of us here have had dozens if not hundreds of them. Many times we feel we have it now ,and then it just won't turn after the build. Many people in the past and present have claimed they have the secrete. Some do this just to see how many other people feel they have the secrete and may show it in fear of loosing their part of the limelight. Exposing their idea into open source.
First thing is. You have to have proof of a running wheel to be taken seriously.
Those of us who have been in this game know, a running wheel is not the final breakthrough either. We will all know in truth it is only the first part to the bigger puzzle that now has to be worked on. The next step is which wheel will be the strongest and most maintenance free. These wheels will be the ones people will seek, for those are the ones to be manufactured.
Just some words of thought
Alan
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>> First thing is. You have to have proof of a running wheel to be taken seriously. <<
Complete bullshit Alan. You think people should take you seriously when crap like this is all you and some of your friends at Besslerwheel can post.
You yourself have never shown anything a child couldn't do better.
And polishing stainless is not engineering per se.
You have no credibility with me. You are not capapable of discussing an idea. This is why this forum has died out. You constantly mocked me for using math like it was something bad. all you have are insults, inuendo and your clever word play of don't look at me because we're talking about you.
Yet you say you work secretly and should be trusted by people who post openly. A double standard that would get the trusting person ripped off and denied credit.
Of course, if you can't keep up, drag everyone down to your level. I'm glad I never went for your bullshit. That's all you have.
Formally known as P-Motion; Leave my step Dad alone. It is bad enough you have been banned from so many forums while stalking my step Dad. It seems everybody knows your full of dung. So give it up and go on. He is not going to respond to you no more. You are a waste of his time.
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Michael,
Is your step-dad still using your account as he has admitted to doing in the past ?
Still, his unwillingness to show nor discuss his work equals No credibilty.
The same standard that applies to everybody else.
Sorry, no exceptions.
Sorry James.Lindgaard; I didn't know you are the Perpetual Motion God!! What do we have to do to serve you? Post everything we can find, ours and others? Just for you?
Right!! ::)
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You need help Alan, and you shouldn't be using Michaels account. It's against the rules.
Hay jerk off, I am not my step Dad and I am moving out to make my own life. So go play with yourself for no one else wants to play your games. LOL
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Wow.i have not visited this thread in a while.that was the nicest post i have ever seen.you are right,there is not much encouragement going around but there should be because so much is at stake.their seems to be some irrefutable evidence in the Bessler case.i have come a long way since i made this thread...seems like a long time ago.I pretty much destroyed my rep in one thread at the BW forum.i have dropped the movie idea and someone notable has advised me that there is nothing to be made in this.funny thing i actually thought it was something important.think it might help things?
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Wow.i have not visited this thread in a while.that was the nicest post i have ever seen.you are right,there is not much encouragement going around but there should be because so much is at stake.their seems to be some irrefutable evidence in the Bessler case.i have come a long way since i made this thread...seems like a long time ago.I pretty much destroyed my rep in one thread at the BW forum.i have dropped the movie idea and someone notable has advised me that there is nothing to be made in this.funny thing i actually thought it was something important.think it might help things?
Your rep doesn't look to well here either. You have something to show or not? If you do, just show. If you don't want to show, don't expect any WOW, OH etc. and just sit quiet.
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There have been countless investigations, research studies, and documentaries done on Bessler's claims. The only thing that would "help" at this point, would be to replicate the technology, and create a working device.
There is far too much at stake to worry about things like "reputation" and the refutation from critics.
If someone does indeed have a working device, they have a responsibility to all mankind to release that knowledge to the public, without concerns of personal gain.
There are commendable heros in this forum who habitually spend large portions of their hard-earned income, in persuit of our research, and disclose what they learn without ever asking anything in return.
Dont let a few nay-sayers stand in the way, and certainly dont keep your secrets for the sake of capitalistic greed. Such things will only perpetuate the problems we seek to resolve.
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What do you all think?If there was a way to make most of the overall weight of the wheel,still in static balance to create an imbalance would it rotate?I am saying,i thought of a way to use balance,per se, to create imbalance.
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Bessler's "problem" as i see it was getting the much deserved credit,love and admiration from his fellow man for being the gifted individual to solve the problem that nobody else had the mind to solve.It was a hard road to it possibly because the people who had tried to solve the problem before were so far off...but Bessler's message seemed to be that he liked getting his hands dirty,he didn't mind the work but since the world had treated him poorly maybe he should just let God give them this thing.If my concept is sound,and anyone will agree I hope,then I find myself in a similar position.I have been treated poorly at Besslerwheel.com and that's ironic to me because it seems like that's where they would want to listen.I have a lot in common with anyone seeking perpetual motion.Bessler placed a value so high on his achievement that he never sold it...and IMHO he actually felt under the circumstances it was best kept a secret.All these people with stature and ideas and influence but not the correct principle,hmm.And,since they have nothing they say that if they did they would gladly just give it away as if it was nothing.it is fair i think for me to assume that the world will not receive me kindly(as it hasn't already) either and that whatever information i have is better kept to myself.Bessler's thought was If your heart was full of love and your mind could truly believe it then you would surely find it.In that way it becomes safely hidden from the wrong people.Do you understand?