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Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: Ros-Co. on May 28, 2006, 12:09:32 PM
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Dear Mr Perrault!
I'm a relatively new member in the forum, but i have some experience in hig voltage techniques, like Tesla-coils, flyback transformers, etc.
If possible, i need some help to build a moray-type device.
I have bulit a dirt'n cheap ion valve, using like a rectifier, and i placed i to my "mini" tesla coil. It is semiconductor-based, and planned by Skori
http://skory.gylcomp.hu/tesla/mini_tesla.html
it's about 500W to 1KW peak power from 12V, with very shape pulses. My coil's Resonance about 384 KHz.
An ion-valve made from a copper wire, and from a copper stripe, bended to round form. My friend said to me, it was too bumpy surface, do rectifying. I'm going to plan to replace it to a stainless steel pipe with very shine surface.
here are the videos:
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/moray/MVI_3424.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/moray/MVI_3428.AVI
The outer ring of the valve connected to an antenna, about 20 metres long. The antenna was slighly charged statically. (So the rectifier was works) (2nd video) I detected it with a little neon bulb. The interesting part, that I can discharge it more than 3 times. But i didn't observe some OU effect.
How can I increase the OU effect?
I think:
-resonance frequency can be placed the main universe frequ (I heard about 1,9MHz)
-more power?
-radioactive material (ep. thorium dust placed to a surface of a tube)
-antenna matching elements (variable inductor?)
And my last question, is the electret effect. I read about a method conditioning a coax cable. It,s clear, but I don't understand, that the outer
foil, (or wire moggan) should be removed? About how times is it increase the OU effect?
At the end, If anybody interested in my experiments
http://www.hvlabs.hu
(Sorry it's Hungarian, but maybe the photos are understandable)
Thank you for your help!
Regards:
Ros-Co.
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Hi,
you set up an interesting page, but let me give you one advise:
-radioactive material (ep. thorium dust placed to a surface of a tube)
Hands off radioactive powders like ThO2, UO2 or any other radioactive material. They are highly toxic. If you accidently inhale some of this dust, these small particles get stuck in your lungs and keep radiating there for ever. The result is you will definitely get lung cancer sooner or later. These materials must only be handled in glove boxes !
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Ok, thank you for your advise. I know, it's not a toy.
Are there any non-toxic, but avaiable radioactive material? But I think radiating is harmful anyway.
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Hello Ros-Co.,
Does your antenna charge back up without any artificial source attached to it?
Actually... why not leave the outer foil? Apply positive voltage to the center wire and negative to the outer foil. you then have one big electret. Try it reversing the conditioning polarity too and see what difference this makes. Next measure the resonant frequency of the cable that you put up between two insulators. Then, build a a tank circuit that is tuned to this frequency. Lastely rectify the oscillations with a diode bridge.
-Bruce P.
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Hi!
My antenna doesn't charge without any artifical source. I can't capture any ambient electric energy.
Is it necessary for work?
I heard about that the device works indoor too, because the antenna captures radiant energy. (If you pumped it with special impulses, and special frequency) Is it correct? Moray's second generation device is not use antenna.
I'll try the electret trick. I read your idea with oil heating of the cable. My flyback driver easily charge the cable up to 25KV.
Regards
Ros-Co.
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Hi!
My antenna doesn't charge without any artifical source. I can't capture any ambient electric energy.
Is it necessary for work?
I heard about that the device works indoor too, because the antenna captures radiant energy. (If you pumped it with special impulses, and special frequency) Is it correct? Moray's second generation device is not use antenna.
I'll try the electret trick. I read your idea with oil heating of the cable. My flyback driver easily charge the cable up to 25KV.
Regards
Ros-Co.
Hi Ros-Co,
Are you trying to duplicate this ? :
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm
Please post the results if any, as it fairly simple to implement (if one has enough space to stretch the cable), and it appears very interesting.
TIA
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Yes, I tried to duplicate it, but antenna doesn't produce any charge. Unfortunately I haven't got enough space to stretch it.
A device only use the atmospheric charge? It's not exactly over-unity.... I think radiant energy should be received as RF energy. Isn't it?
Regards
Ros-Co.
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Yes, I tried to duplicate it, but antenna doesn't produce any charge. Unfortunately I haven't got enough space to stretch it.
A device only use the atmospheric charge? It's not exactly over-unity.... I think radiant energy should be received as RF energy. Isn't it?
Regards
Ros-Co.
Yes could be.
My thoughts on the way it works and I could be wrong but something to consider:
The center wire feeds the spark gap circuit. Using atmospheric charge.
The radiant energy is captured by the outer aluminum shield (or grid depending in the cable used), when the spark fires.
So the real output "higher power" should be coming from the outer shield? Maybe it's as simple as that?
What do you think?
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Yes maybe. (Bruce maybe tell the secret :) )
So, If I understand it correctly, the outer shield capture the radiant energy. The insulator of the coax must be conditioned for increase the electret effect.
When the spark firing, I think it generates a wide spectrum of RF energy, include the "master" frequency (what the correct name of the universe freq? I heard it is about 1,9 or 2,8 MHz? Is it correct?)
Picking of the master freq, incrase the energy in the antenna, and you can utilize it.
It's my idea, but I think It's not work in this simple way. More parameter tuning reqiured.
I read your message, thanx.
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Yes not all is clear. Either way if we get energy out of it without any energy input from the user, then it is a nice system. Even if the energy is coming purely from the atmoshperic electrostatic charges/fields sweeping across the wire building a static chrage to be discahrged when it becomes high enough to overcome the gap.
I wonder if Bruce or anyone else has had it working for extended periods of time with consistent positive results.
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Ok, but I think It's not a very useable system. How many power could be generated? Maybe few watts. It's nice for demonstation, but not solve the energy problem.
I heard some information from my friend, who is a radio amateur, that his antenna produces sparks between ground and and center tap on the connector. But only does it in stormy weather.
How a device catch the charge in nice weather? From the ions of the atmosphere? It requires a very big surface collector area or not?
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The electret antenna gets its power from the wind. It is really a blade-less wind generator.
Yes, it is true that Moray did away with the dipole antenna but it was replaced with loop-type antennas like the ones in early am radios.
-Bruce P.
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Ok, I understand. So It's an interesting wind generator :)
I heard some interesting informations. But the inventor said the tuning, geometry, and ratios are very very critical.
Moray used special tuned circuits, to capture the energy. First we need capture a synch signal from antenna. That's why Moray use a detector
(I think its very similar to a pin diode) Radioactive materials maybe activate the semiconductor, and decreases the detector treshold.
The synch signal helps to synchronize the higher power oscillator.
In my opinion, the impulse devices (eg. Newman, Bedini, Adams, Grey, machines) generates a very wide spectrum of electromagnetic energy. And it covers the spectrum of the universe energy. But I think it's unstable, and random effect. But at higher power it generates useable amount of energy.
Regards
Ros-Co.
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The electret antenna and Moray device are two different animals.
It is too bad tha Stefan will not re-activate his yahoo list because this forum is to hard to follow. I only visit here every other month, if that.
-Bruce P.
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So there are total different. OK.
Are there any better possibilities to keep in touch?
Ros-Co.
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Ros-Co,
Morray just did build these negative resistance valves with
radioactive material doped diodes.
This then worked in LC tank circuits as "passive" amplifiers and
with several stages he got about 1 to 3 KWatts of power
in his biggest units.
The power came from radioactive material decay and was converted
directly to electricity in RF bursts to power and amplify the radiowaves
in the LC tanks.
The antenna he needed was only to energize his first
LC tank via radiowaves from a local radio transmitter so setup
the oscillations in the first LC tank , the valves did the conversion of radioactive
energy to electrical energy in his uran doped diodes-valves.
This was the only secret of Morray.
The first doped diode ( negative resistance)
was his Swedish stone he found in a swedish mine
when he was there on vacations.
It was also radioactive and worked as a nice
"passive amplifier" for radiowaves, when he tried this
as an diode in his earlier radio receiver experiments.
When he draw too much power from them, these stones
overheated and burned up.
Later, when he got enough power out, he could have probably
started his device via a small battery to power an RF oscillator
and feed back some power from the huge output back to the
input again, but he still used an antenna to start the oscillations.
This is why it was a mystery to many people, if he drew the power out of the atmosphere,
but he was just using a local radio station to start the oscillations in his first LC tank circuit,
but the output power came from forced excited radioactive decay, that happens, when
you energize these doped diodes with electrical RF waves.
So it is probably not too difficult to build a Morray device,
if you havethe right radioactive doped diodes.
Regards, Stefan.
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i have been digging around a bit on this device. do you have any good links to follow on how to create or obtain these diodes or even more info on the device itself?
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example:
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/energy0/adamsky_energy_circuit.html
http://forums.hypography.com/science-projects-homework/4905-ion-valve.html
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/energydevice.htm
http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/FreeEnergy/p.brown.html
Based on the last experiments, i think, the Moray tube maybe very similar to resonant nuclear battery...
The antenna only just produce a very little power, but it helps to start the "self sustaining" effect in the circuit, and it becomes self-runner.
The other parts of the circuit are similar to an inverter, but semiconcuctors are not preferrable, because it works on very high voltage.
But with modern IGBT, maybe it's a solvable problem
http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/FreeEnergy/p.brown.html
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my family used to sell CB's or Citizen's Band two way radios.
When electrica storms used to occur, we would disconnect the antennas from the radios.
When the lighting would strike,the antenna ends would fire a spark from the tip to the ground on the antenna lead.
When this happened, the cable would both twist and move in a specific direction..of course. The combination of all three is very, very, very, very telling, when it comes to vortex work. Or understanding the base nature of a 'interference' of two waves creating a resultant vector that 'infringes' upon our dimensional vector, thus creating atomic structures at the nexal point of the waves..thus describing reality and all the issues we have in understanding it. The atomic or vibratory quanta interference meeting point of the fields and the resultant vectoral equvalent is the essence of atomic structure. Thus the vortex action. Thus the fact that heat can be substituted for time in formulas that are true to the real nature of the universe. The wavefrom's meeting point describes the two reflections of energy off two 'surfaces' Inside and outside. Nucleus and electron shell. All simple hamonics from the angular components that describe the vortexural meeting point of the planar 2-d waves. Of course, once again, the overall vectoral resultant describing the given atomic structure, as it protrudes in this 'dimension', that we like to call 'reality'.
This simple point tells one, flat out, that frequential resonant energy manipulation is the key to opening all doors in energy manipulation.
it's not the only key, it is merely the easiest, and most prevelant and prolific, in terms of effective results.
A simple point that illustrates this. Silicon, or glass, when solid, is an excellent insulator and excellent dielectric. As a heated liquid, it is an excellent....conductor. This is true for most materials, when fluid.
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Taken from another thread, where I was trying to slip it into print....as this particualr point, when posted on another forum, earned me a visit in less than 24 hours. this sucker can probably go atomic. Design for a nice meltdown instead.
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And to cross correlate for the fun of it, this is the mechanical equivalent of what you need to manipulate in energy manipulation of crystalline lattice structures. Basically a polarized hysteresis point. resonance, it is.
This is the key point in moray's capacitors which were excited via using Americum, polonium, etc. (like blowing across the top of a coke bottle) RF resonance of ground crystal based capacitors. He ground his capacitor dielectric out of a single pure crystal, and to a uniform size. He created a RF resonant polarized hysteretic helmholtz resonator out of pure powdered crystal dielectric, and the right shape, and charge levels.
Newer plastics have just been 'figured out' that have high levels of polarization, which will allow them to store over 7 times the energy of typical cutting edge 'current design' capacitors.
Moray managed to get one heck of alot more out of the polarization allowed by pure matched crystal powder. And the crystal is inherently resonant. In multiple ways.
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Excerpts from http://www.rexresearch.com/sweet/1nothing.htm (see the topic "The Overunity Electrical Machine's Secret" in Progress Report on the Sweet Vacuum Triode, T. E. Bearden)
Here's the magic secret of all electrical over-unity machines:
1) TAP THE VIRTUAL PHOTON SPRAY.
2) TAP THE ENERGY IN THE MASSLESS VACUUM POTENTIAL.
3) DO NOT RELEASE THE SPRAY PUMPS.
4) DO NOT ALLOW CURRENT FLOW IN THAT PART OF THE CIRCUIT WHERE THE CHARGE PUMPS ARE COLLECTED TO CREATE THE POTENTIAL.
5) OR AT LEAST ALLOW ONLY THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM OF FLOW/BLEED-OFF THERE, OF THE PUMPS.
6) ORGANIZE, GATE, AND APPLY THE POTENTIAL SPRAY TO THE EXTERNAL CIRCUIT, WHERE IT WILL ATTACH TO AVAILABLE ELECTRONS, FORMING FORCE FIELDS, VOLTAGE, AND CURRENTS TO PUMP ELECTRONS AROUND THE CIRCUIT.
7) USE THOSE EXTERNALLY POWERED FIELDS AND CURRENTS TO POWER THE LOAD.
Conclusion is very elucidative too. I expect for comments.
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This is precisely how Moray's device works. Chech out my U.S. Patent
Application that has been recently approved...
http://www.nuenergy.org/disclosures/US-2008-0272680-A1.pdf (http://www.nuenergy.org/disclosures/US-2008-0272680-A1.pdf)
The claims have been updated in my granted patent which will be published
soon.
-Bruce A. Perreault
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So, you utilize triode (vacuum triode amplifier) that incorporate Solids-State signal processing? You say that "spray pump" Bearden is refering to capacitor?
Also, with due respect, how you patented something wasn't invented by you? Perhaps a new circuit pattern design, isn't? Thank you.
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This is precisely how Moray's device works. Chech out my U.S. Patent
Application that has been recently approved...
http://www.nuenergy.org/disclosures/US-2008-0272680-A1.pdf (http://www.nuenergy.org/disclosures/US-2008-0272680-A1.pdf)
The claims have been updated in my granted patent which will be published
soon.
-Bruce A. Perreault
So where is your ground wire, and your aerial ?
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It was also radioactive and worked as a nice
"passive amplifier" for radiowaves, when he tried this
as an diode in his earlier radio receiver experiments.
Compare with this quote
Here are some aspects of the moray device that are usually not considered, in the picture below(upper left corner) is a basic crystal radio
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Read my patent application and you will know where the ant. and ground are connected.
The granted patent claims are more specific on how the device works.
-Bruce P.
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how moray valve work can some one explain and what are need to make one
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Ros-co if you read the patent application, you see here that the Seebeck effect is also used.
You can find on your website what this means. :D
I can't believe that someone who lives near Rusky land can't get radio active parts.
I mean enclosed stuff.
Don't you have flea markets over there ?
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This a over 1 kW device from an Indian inventor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yodY1jH5j-I
Go visit him.