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Ros-Co.

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Build a Moray-like device
« on: May 28, 2006, 12:09:32 PM »
Dear Mr Perrault!

I'm a relatively new member in the forum, but i have some experience in hig voltage techniques, like Tesla-coils, flyback transformers, etc.
If possible, i need some help to build a moray-type device.

I have bulit a dirt'n cheap ion valve, using like a rectifier, and i placed i to my "mini"  tesla coil. It is semiconductor-based, and planned by Skori
http://skory.gylcomp.hu/tesla/mini_tesla.html


it's about 500W to 1KW peak power from 12V, with very shape pulses. My coil's Resonance about 384 KHz. 

An ion-valve made from a copper wire, and from a copper stripe, bended to round form.  My friend said to me, it was too bumpy surface, do rectifying.  I'm going to plan to replace it to a stainless steel pipe with very shine surface.

here are the videos:
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/moray/MVI_3424.AVI
http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/moray/MVI_3428.AVI

The outer ring of the valve connected to an antenna, about 20 metres long.  The antenna was slighly charged statically.  (So the rectifier was works) (2nd video) I detected it with a little neon bulb.  The interesting part, that I can discharge it more than 3 times. But i didn't observe some OU effect.
How can I increase the OU effect?

I think:
-resonance frequency can be placed the main universe frequ (I heard about 1,9MHz)
-more power?
-radioactive material (ep. thorium dust placed to a surface of a tube)
-antenna matching elements (variable inductor?)

And my last question, is the electret effect.  I read about a method conditioning a coax cable.  It,s clear, but I don't understand, that the outer
foil, (or wire moggan) should be removed?   About how times is it increase the OU effect?



At the end, If anybody interested in my experiments
http://www.hvlabs.hu
(Sorry it's Hungarian, but maybe the photos are understandable)

Thank you for your help!

Regards:
Ros-Co.

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IcyBlue

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2006, 02:02:32 PM »
Hi,

you set up an interesting page, but let me give you one advise:

Quote from: Ros-Co. on May 28, 2006, 12:09:32 PM
-radioactive material (ep. thorium dust placed to a surface of a tube)

Hands off radioactive powders like ThO2, UO2 or any other radioactive material. They are highly toxic. If you accidently inhale some of this dust, these small particles get stuck in your lungs and keep radiating there for ever. The result is you will definitely get lung cancer sooner or later. These materials must only be handled in glove boxes !
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Ros-Co.

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2006, 03:45:55 PM »
Ok, thank you for your advise.  I know, it's not a toy. 
Are there any non-toxic, but avaiable radioactive material?  But I think radiating is harmful anyway.
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Bruce A. Perreault

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2006, 04:16:36 PM »
Hello Ros-Co.,

Does your antenna charge back up without any artificial source attached to it?

Actually... why not leave the outer foil? Apply positive voltage to the center wire and  negative to the outer foil.  you then have one big electret. Try it reversing the conditioning polarity too and see what difference this makes. Next measure the resonant frequency of the cable that you put up between two insulators. Then, build a a tank circuit that is tuned to this frequency. Lastely rectify the oscillations with a diode bridge.

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Ros-Co.

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2006, 04:31:00 PM »
Hi!

My antenna doesn't charge without any artifical source.  I can't capture any ambient electric energy.
Is it necessary for work?

I heard about that the device works indoor too, because the antenna captures radiant energy. (If you pumped it with special impulses, and special frequency)  Is it correct?   Moray's second generation device is not use antenna.


I'll try the electret trick.  I read your idea with oil heating of the cable.  My flyback driver easily charge the cable up to 25KV.

Regards
Ros-Co.
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mikestocks2006

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2006, 06:48:12 PM »
Quote from: Ros-Co. on June 07, 2006, 04:31:00 PM
Hi!

My antenna doesn't charge without any artifical source.  I can't capture any ambient electric energy.
Is it necessary for work?

I heard about that the device works indoor too, because the antenna captures radiant energy. (If you pumped it with special impulses, and special frequency)  Is it correct?   Moray's second generation device is not use antenna.


I'll try the electret trick.  I read your idea with oil heating of the cable.  My flyback driver easily charge the cable up to 25KV.

Regards
Ros-Co.

Hi Ros-Co,
Are you trying to duplicate this ? :
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm

Please post the results if any, as it fairly simple to implement (if one has enough space to stretch the cable), and it appears very interesting.
TIA
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Ros-Co.

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2006, 06:54:02 PM »
Yes, I tried to duplicate it, but antenna doesn't produce any charge.  Unfortunately I haven't got enough space to stretch it.

A device only use the atmospheric charge?  It's not exactly over-unity....     I think radiant energy should be received as RF energy. Isn't it?
Regards
Ros-Co.
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mikestocks2006

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2006, 07:11:04 PM »
Quote from: Ros-Co. on June 07, 2006, 06:54:02 PM
Yes, I tried to duplicate it, but antenna doesn't produce any charge.  Unfortunately I haven't got enough space to stretch it.

A device only use the atmospheric charge?  It's not exactly over-unity....     I think radiant energy should be received as RF energy. Isn't it?
Regards
Ros-Co.
Yes could be.
My thoughts on the way it works and I could be wrong but something to consider:
The center wire feeds the spark gap circuit. Using atmospheric charge.
The radiant energy is captured by the outer aluminum shield (or grid depending in the cable used), when the spark fires.
So the real output "higher power" should be coming from the outer shield? Maybe it's as simple as that?
What do you think?
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Ros-Co.

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2006, 07:21:24 PM »
Yes maybe.   (Bruce maybe tell the secret :) )

So, If I understand it correctly, the outer shield capture the radiant energy.  The insulator of the coax must be conditioned for increase the electret effect.
When the spark firing, I think it generates a wide spectrum of RF energy, include the "master" frequency  (what the correct name of the universe freq?  I heard it is about 1,9 or 2,8 MHz? Is it correct?)
Picking of the master freq, incrase the energy in the antenna, and you can utilize it. 

It's my idea, but I think It's not work in this simple way.  More parameter tuning reqiured. 

I read your message, thanx.

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mikestocks2006

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2006, 07:27:52 PM »
Yes not all is clear. Either way if we get energy out of it without any energy input from the user, then it is a nice system. Even if the energy is coming purely from the atmoshperic electrostatic charges/fields sweeping across the wire building a static chrage to be discahrged when it becomes high enough to overcome the gap.

I wonder if Bruce or anyone else has had it working for extended periods of time with consistent positive results.
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Ros-Co.

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2006, 07:43:06 PM »
Ok, but I think It's not a very useable system.  How many power could be generated?  Maybe few watts.  It's nice for demonstation, but not solve the energy problem. 

I heard some information from my friend, who is a radio amateur, that his antenna produces sparks between ground and and center tap on the connector.   But only does it in stormy weather.   

How a device catch the charge in nice weather?  From the ions of the atmosphere? It requires a very big surface collector area or not?

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Bruce A. Perreault

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2006, 01:58:56 AM »
The electret antenna gets its power from the wind. It is really a blade-less wind generator.

Yes, it is true that Moray did away with the dipole antenna but it was replaced with loop-type antennas like the ones in early am radios.

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Ros-Co.

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2006, 08:54:00 AM »
Ok,  I understand.  So It's an interesting wind generator :)

I heard some interesting informations.  But the inventor said the tuning, geometry, and ratios are very very critical.
Moray used special tuned circuits, to capture the energy.  First we need capture a synch signal from antenna.  That's why Moray use a detector
(I think its very similar to a pin diode)  Radioactive materials maybe activate the semiconductor, and decreases the detector treshold.

The synch signal helps to synchronize the higher power oscillator. 

In my opinion, the impulse devices (eg. Newman, Bedini, Adams, Grey, machines)  generates a very wide spectrum of electromagnetic energy. And it covers the spectrum of the universe energy.  But I think it's unstable, and random effect.  But at higher power it generates useable amount of energy.

Regards
Ros-Co.
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Bruce A. Perreault

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2006, 04:07:16 PM »
The electret antenna and Moray device are two different animals.

It is too bad tha Stefan will not re-activate his yahoo list because this forum is to hard to follow. I only visit here every other month, if that.

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Ros-Co.

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Re: Build a Moray-like device
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2006, 09:05:11 PM »
So there are total different.  OK. 

Are there any better possibilities to keep in touch?


Ros-Co.
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