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Offline A@K

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perpetual motion theory...
« on: April 22, 2011, 02:09:56 AM »
Hello

I have to do an assignment on perpetual motion machines and i am looking for web links or any other source talking about perpetual motion machines.
Below is what i already found on the web:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Perpetual_motion
http://www.hp-gramatke.net/index.htm
http://commons.bcit.ca/physics/rjw/default.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

Also, what maths and physics do i need to know for an analysis of a perpetual motion machine which employs permanent magnets?

If anyone knows any more good sources please help me!!!

Thanks in advance for your time.

Kind Regards
A@K

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perpetual motion theory...
« on: April 22, 2011, 02:09:56 AM »

Offline fritznien

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Re: perpetual motion theory...
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2011, 02:35:32 AM »
wouldn't`t you need to have such a machine first

Offline A@K

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 03:06:42 AM »
well yes someone has already build one and my job (i.e. my assignment) is actually to investigate this machine, then create a mathematical model and then i have to prove or disprove the proposed concept....

However, up to this point i haven't saw the machine yet, but they told me that the machine is employing permanent magnets.



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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 03:06:42 AM »
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Offline fritznien

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Re: perpetual motion theory...
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2011, 05:42:31 AM »
good luck with that. all working models to date have been fakes,see the mylow motor this site.
some even fool the inventer, you need to keep fingers away when testing.
fritznien

Offline A@K

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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2011, 12:04:06 PM »
yes i recognize that a lot of people now on the web they share fake magnet machines but the one that i will investigate they told me that is working but the torque is not sufficient.

Anw my query it was if anyone has any good sources about perpetual motion machines and what maths and sciences topics i need to know.

P.S.: the laws of thermodynamics however they was "invented" when the NdFeB magnets it was something like a supernatural......... so for those that they believe too much in the laws of thermodynamics, i believe they have be more open mind............

P.S.S: i believe the working models are probably not in the web, what i mean? Because the inventors they know that they will be rejected from any patent offices etc etc. they keep their own ideas for their own use.

Thanks

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A@K   

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Offline Pirate88179

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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2011, 07:26:11 PM »
The only perpetual motion machines that I know that have been documented by science are those of the atom.  Electrons and neutrons orbit around and around with no visible amount of decay in these orbits.  That is all that I know of at this point in time.  Magnets are a closed system and have not worked to date that has been proven.

Bill

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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2011, 09:44:55 PM »
The only perpetual motion machines that I know that have been documented by science are those of the atom.

I don't think classical mechanics is correct.

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Electrons and neutrons orbit around and around with no visible amount of decay in these orbits.

I believe Quantum Mechanics says that the Electrons are smeared across their orbits, they do not behave like little hard balls orbiting a nucleus.

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That is all that I know of at this point in time.  Magnets are a closed system and have not worked to date that has been proven.

Bill

Correct.

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Offline fritznien

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Re: perpetual motion theory...
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2011, 10:07:33 PM »
A@K   magnets are covered under quantum mechanics.
not really qualified to explain but its a realatavistic force generated
when plus charges move relative to minus charges.
simple test of this,what is the magnetic field around an electron beam in a vacuum.
 as for the magnet motor not having enough output, if it self runs for weeks with no input
he has a Nobel prize coming. if it almost runs than don`t hold your breath.
you need to see and check out the machine, video will not do.
as Penn and teller put it doing magic tricks for the camera is bullshit!
if you tell us more we can tell you what to look for maybe.
fritznien

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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2011, 10:18:42 PM »
mmm ok let put things in other way,

let say someone build a machine by using magnets and everything looks OK and the machine operates for let say 5 to 10 years. OK, because the machine it will stop operate after let say 6 years this is not perpetual motion as the actual definition states. BUT at least you will have a machine that it will generate electrical energy for 6 years or may be more (i.e. depending how the magnets it will be used) from "nothing". However is not from nothing because the machine it will convert the magnetic energy from magnets into mechanical energy plus heat, and hence to electrical energy.
Anw this is actually depending from the application of how the energies it will be converted.

Nevertheless, if we take the actual meaning of the perpetual motion machines, then we can not create any of these machines by using permanent magnets, because the magnets are demagnetized. but by using the new kind of permanent magnets (i.e. NdFeB), a very good "perpetual motion machines" can be created that they will have the ability to run for several years generating electricity.

This is my understanding up to this point according of what i have already read from web and one day i hope to make one.

Finally, i mention again if anyone knows any sources relating to perpetual motion machines i will really appreciate it if you can help me.

Thanks for your time.   

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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2011, 02:01:14 AM »
quantum mechanics is nothing more than the language of all particle THEORIES. notice the bold word... yeah it's still nothing more than a theory.

the whole idea of proving a perpetual motion machine is perpetual is ludicrous. which can be further expressed by a simple question: whom will be standing at infinity to measure/check if the machine is still running?

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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2011, 02:54:56 AM »
quantum mechanics is nothing more than the language of all particle THEORIES. notice the bold word... yeah it's still nothing more than a theory.

the whole idea of proving a perpetual motion machine is perpetual is ludicrous. which can be further expressed by a simple question: whom will be standing at infinity to measure/check if the machine is still running?

Hi Wilby.

So is classical mechanics. all in your own words.

Quantum Mechanics is just an upgrade, but life always gets upgraded or you get left behind. like the Dinosaurs with no perception of Quantum Mechanics.

I really don't believe classical mechanics has any real value in the Quantum realm. Classical mechanics is what you teach children, not men of honor.

no insult and no salt in any wounds here, simply expressing my educated and sensible opinion and nothing more. upgrade is important. when the savages thought their spears were top tech, the English came and showed them something new, a rifle and a pistol. end of story.

there is actually nothing new under the sun, you just can't perceive it yet because we are talking about time. but I assure you, classical mechanics has failed in the future, maybe even laughed at from those who are not even born as of yet. hell, maybe even Quantum Mechanics. I live in the era so I have to stick with the era's rules of engagement.

Wilby, in your last statement about infinity, you "ARE" right. notice the capitalized word ARE and the expression attached, Who will carry on the torch!

I am not very wickedly smart like those of tomorrow who are born from currently unknowns, I am just observant and I obey the rules given by those who are thee smartest of today. I know my place and so should you.

if you are smarter then the smartest then please bring your challenge.

if you don't obey the rules of those who are smarter then you then you get humiliated by the smarter. avoid humiliation and know your place in life.

Like I, offer your educated opinions but don't expect glory. which, I don't.

I believe in what works and its workings. so far, Mankind has shown not.
when that happens then maybe my eye's will be opened widely.

maybe Humans are to egotistical to see the real truth.

there is no free lunch! no one is the exception. not even your God. if you believe in such. for which, I do not. if there is a God, you are not included in his/her free lunch and or both. give it up. only a God would know such things and no body here on this earth is a God. there is no free lunch. that in into itself is a paradox, there can be no "real" paradoxes. not even the paradox of an all mighty God. can't happen period. logically that is. only in your mind can it happen then you become clinically insane.

Jerry 8)
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Offline happyfunball

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Re: perpetual motion theory...
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2011, 04:18:57 PM »
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Re: perpetual motion theory...
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2011, 06:31:26 PM »
Supposed Bedini SSG self-runner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMWYnfntaYI

interesting to watch but all he does is measure volts, he really should show watts in and watts out, that is what really counts, it would also tell us exactly how long it will run before the battery's run dry. if the watts from recharge is even slightly less then the watts going in then it would eventually come to a fizzled stop.

W= V x A, simple to do.

Jerry 8)

 

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