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Author Topic: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?  (Read 33209 times)

neptune

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Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« on: April 13, 2011, 07:12:40 PM »
Here is an idea based on the work of J L Naudin et al .Take a simple parallel tuned circuit [tank circuit] consisting of a coil and a variable capacitor . I understand that it can be made to oscillate by varying either the inductance or capacitance in a rhythmic manner at twice the frequency of the tank circuit . So we are altering a parameter of the oscillator in the same manner that a child maintains oscillation of a swing by rhythmically altering the center of gravity . One way to do this is to have a center tap on the coil,and provide a switch that will short circuit half the windings . Then we open and close this switch at twice the resonant frequency of the tank circuit . In an initial trial , the resonant frequency of the tank could be kept low ,say 50 Hz .Thus the switching could be done mechanically by a variable speed motor driven cam or commutator . I believe that the amplitude of the oscillation is dependent on the magnitude of change in the inductor and possibly the Q of the tank . I think the amount of energy that could be extracted from the tank could exceed the energy needed to do the switching .I favour mechanical switching initially , it saves argument as to where any excess energy comes from . Is it possible for someone to simulate this please?

neptune

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2011, 11:58:34 AM »
I am a bit surprised no one has commented on this .It is so simple . Any thoughts , positive or negative?

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neptune

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2011, 04:46:07 PM »
@Master Plaster . Thanks for taking an interest ,and the link to that interesting post . I am not a brilliant mathematician , to say the least . But I get the feeling that the chances of success would be higher if the coil tap was arranged so that the two switched resonant frequencies were harmonically related .My gut feeling is that the resultant sinewave would be much less distorted .

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2011, 06:16:17 PM »

This is an old research area.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/paraconv.htm

I was looking at parametric converters a few days ago.
Then I fell in to the area of multi-filar windings.

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 06:03:59 PM »
Varying the inductance is what the tpu, ismael, magnacoaster, Kunel, bearden MEG, DUAL PULSE PROTOCOL, T-Kapanadze, shorting coil at peaks, and joule thief do. There is also the action of utilizing bemf looped back.
There are numerous examples. Alot of my youtube vids are comprised of using this process. I am not claiming ownership, just validating any other efforts.
Always look at the time frame of variance of inductance to identify the device configuration.
Loopback is the other parameter. Some happen in the core, wiring or external circuit. The gk4 by Otto's configuration looped the controls into the collectors. The collector bias can be shut off or squeezed( by Steven Mark's terms).
There is nothing magical about this. Obfuscation, confusion or made up terms to get this across should have never been used. It is this simple. The proof is all over the place.
Safety has always been primary concern. The cataclismic events can be easily attained. The control is the primary goal.
May we all go down in history...
« Last Edit: April 16, 2011, 09:05:10 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 11:49:57 PM »
Shorting the inductor would change its resistance, thereby altering the current.  Naudin's writes that the parametric-effect is a result of the change in inductance (dL/dt), not current (di/dt) and where the magic lies - at least that's my reading of it!  What pisses me off about Naudin is that his website is full of mouth-watering stuff like this, followed by a "more to come..." statement, but it never does - that parametric posting is from '97 and was never followed up! 

One of those magnetic-amplifier chokes in place of the inductor might be a better way to go.

wings

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2011, 09:40:01 PM »
Dollard - Chris Carson and more information:
Parametric electric machine Ferdinand Cap - Patent number: 4622510

http://www.google.com/patents?id=cuc0AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&rview=1#v=onepage&q&f=false


« Last Edit: April 17, 2011, 10:00:28 PM by wings »

MasterPlaster

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2011, 01:55:18 AM »
OK let me crack you head open!

Oscillations in systems with non-linear reactance By R. V. L. Hartley
http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/bstj/vol15-1936/articles/bstj15-3-424.pdf

Also: How about some power Amplification:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7808124.pdf

« Last Edit: April 18, 2011, 02:37:58 AM by MasterPlaster »

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2011, 05:50:45 AM »
Lets kick this up a notch.
I see your 1 and raise 100.

Got this off the factory floor.

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neptune

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2011, 07:17:29 PM »
A couple of questions here . Does anybody know if the oscillation amplitude in a parametric oscillator would depend on frequency? I want to keep the resonant frequency low so that I can use mechanical switching . Also , can anyone offer a wild guess as to the inductance in Henrys of a microwave oven transformer . This transformer is  220 volt to 2000 volt step up transformer and is quite large . Please estimate both the primary and secondary windings .

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2011, 12:24:40 AM »
A couple of questions here . Does anybody know if the oscillation amplitude in a parametric oscillator would depend on frequency? I want to keep the resonant frequency low so that I can use mechanical switching . Also , can anyone offer a wild guess as to the inductance in Henrys of a microwave oven transformer . This transformer is  220 volt to 2000 volt step up transformer and is quite large . Please estimate both the primary and secondary windings .

hi Nep

how's the knee?  recovering nicely after that impact with the poynt gonads?

AC signals across effectively 'unloaded' LC pairs will vary in amplitude with 'f', having a maxima or minima at the res. freq. depending on the LC pair being parallel or series respec.

i seem to remember from seeing one of woopys recent vids that he wrote the Iy / IIy inductances on the MOT which was featured

hope this helps - good aim, btw, obviously touched a nerve or two
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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2011, 03:10:54 AM »
A couple of questions here . Does anybody know if the oscillation amplitude in a parametric oscillator would depend on frequency? I want to keep the resonant frequency low so that I can use mechanical switching . Also , can anyone offer a wild guess as to the inductance in Henrys of a microwave oven transformer . This transformer is  220 volt to 2000 volt step up transformer and is quite large . Please estimate both the primary and secondary windings .

I just did a quick check with 2 220V MOT's I have;

700W Primary 180mH. Secondary 12.8H.
800W Primary 195mH. Secondary 18.1H.

neptune

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Re: Overunity Parametric Oscillator?
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2011, 03:09:10 PM »
@Sprocket . Re the knee ,LOL .Many thanks for those values of inductance.Re my question regarding Frequency . What I meant was , assuming this oscillator idea works , would it give more power out if the frequency was say 1Mhz as opposed to 50 Hz . There would be advantages in 50Hz , One could use a standard transformer and not have issues with the core materials .Also , if mechanical switching was used , a switching rate of 100Hz is feasible ,whereas this is not true at 1Mhz .My idea was to use the primaries of 2 transformers across a capacitor . then use a switch to short out one transformer at the right frequency .A meter or scope across one of the secondaries would detect oscillation .