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Author Topic: Mercury Free Energy Device-easy to build-doesn't violate laws of physics  (Read 16337 times)

Offline fritznien

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The two chamber method doesn't press against the mercury at the bottom of the tube at all. The cannonball, or steel ball, is dropped onto the surface of the mercury, where the force of it dropping makes it nearly go under the mercury. In fact it will penetrate deep enough to go under the waterline "lip" that leads into the 1st chamber. At that moment the 1st chamber gate closes. The mercury level inside and out side of this chamber is the same and the gate is thin and slides sideways. It does not press against the mercury above.

At that moment the gate at the bottom of the tube opens sideways as well. This opens up the tube to the first chamber, which is now not open to the outside tank. Boyancy allows the ball to float up the tube. Once the ball is inside the tube, the gate at the bottom of the tube closes, then the gate on the chamber that connects it to the outside tank opens.

This can also be done with water and like you said a nylon ball.

I already addressed the column of mercury above the "door" issue with the disk version of this. While this may be a monkey wrench, certainly it has no bearing on the two chamber version.

Considering what I had already written in the previous posts, it's nothing short of a laugh that this other guy thinks I have never "googled" 'boyancy'. Perhaps he belongs on the TMZ forum.
You drop the ball into the lower chamber and close the door.
the second door opens and the ball floats up, the second door closes.
problem the bottom chamber is now full of liquid. the next ball will cause an overflow, when the ball floated up into the top chamber
a volume of liquid equal to the ball went down into the lower chamber.
no joy for design 2.
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Offline DeepCut

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If buoyancy isn't a problem then timing certainly would be.

My question is, have you built it yet ?

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Excellent observations guys. Now these are legitimate criticisms. The timing issues can be regulated by "tripwire" devices inside the chamber and tube to trigger the gates at the appropriate times. In addition the wire frame wheel at the top and carriage can be set up so that the ball doesn't drop until the bottom gate is open.

Now the concern over the displacement of the volume of fluid that equals what is expelled by the ball is the only real issue that provides a challenge. I have considered this when I first came up with the details. I thought of all sorts of things to try to overcome this, and then I just realized the simple straightforward solution.

Since we are getting the lift free, and the drop free also, the wire frame wheel and the gates are the only moving parts that we need to extract energy from the ball's motion in order to operate. The wire frame wheel only has to turn about 1/8 of a rotation, as all it really has to do is pick the ball up and lift it over the lip of the top of the tube. That's not much movement, and so we're getting a pretty good free output at this point.

If we could (in an ideal world) capture the entire energy of the lift inside the tube, then we could lift also the weight of one ball the entire height of the tube. We can't due to loss, but if the weight of the ball is as close as possible to the weight of it's volume in mercury, meaning we want to use the densest material we can find that will still float on mercury, then we can maximize our output due to the increase in force of it's drop.

We capture energy from it's trek upwards inside the tube with an apperatus positioned inside the tube. We can even make the ball spiral up along a corkscrew thing in order to get more distance out of its motion. Along the way it pushes levers or what have you. On its drop after its turned its share of the wire frame wheel, it also turns some generators or what have you. The combined energy from its rise and fall should be more than enough to pump one balls worth of mercury to the top of the tube and dump it back into the tube at the appropriate moment.

If we need more excess output, we can just increase the height of the tube. While, this will make us spend more energy to operate the pump, it will also increase the excess energy we are getting, and the ratio of energy we use to operate he gates and wire frame wheel to the energy we use to pump the fluid changes in our favor. Meaning that increasing the height doesn't change how much energy it takes us to operate the gates or wire frame wheel, that stays the same. The pump needs more power and our output increases. What this equates to is a higher output for us, even though much of the energy we make is being used to operate he device. All we need is the smallest positive output and continual motion with no input and we have done what they say can't be done.

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Offline fritznien

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gem your not getting it. all the energy you can get from the ball floating up
and then falling down will be required to get the ball back into the bottom of the tank and
and have the liquid all back in the tank. height is not the problem, friction is not the problem.
the problem is there is no excess energy to be had.
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gem your not getting it. all the energy you can get from the ball floating up
and then falling down will be required to get the ball back into the bottom of the tank and
and have the liquid all back in the tank. height is not the problem, friction is not the problem.
the problem is there is no excess energy to be had.
fritznien

In my opinion you are mistaken. The energy required to get the ball back into the tank is minimal. It splashed down into the mercury fluid, goes down just under the waterline and under the lip of the opening. That will only take a few feet of drop distance to achieve.

The energy to operate the gates and wire frame wheel is minimal and can be harvested from the first portion of the balls drop. The rest of the energy harvested can be used to pump the volume of mercury back into the top of the tube that was displaced as the ball passed from tank to chamber to tube, which is equal to the volume of one ball, even though it weighs a little more. That's fine because our ball is moving twice the distance that the mercury is going to have to. As long as it's more than half the weight of the mercury of the same volume, then we can get the same amount of force out of it that it takes to pump the mercury to the top of the tube.

Of course it needs to be heavier than that to cover the wireframe wheel and the gates.

Even though objects fall at the same speed, they do not fall with the same force. Heavier objects fall with more force, and that is where we make our excess power.   

This totally works. I've seen it operating myself. A Chinese guy did this with water and a capsule. I didn't invent it I just modified it  bit.


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Offline fritznien

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In my opinion you are mistaken. The energy required to get the ball back into the tank is minimal. It splashed down into the mercury fluid, goes down just under the waterline and under the lip of the opening. That will only take a few feet of drop distance to achieve.

The energy to operate the gates and wire frame wheel is minimal and can be harvested from the first portion of the balls drop. The rest of the energy harvested can be used to pump the volume of mercury back into the top of the tube that was displaced as the ball passed from tank to chamber to tube, which is equal to the volume of one ball, even though it weighs a little more. That's fine because our ball is moving twice the distance that the mercury is going to have to. As long as it's more than half the weight of the mercury of the same volume, then we can get the same amount of force out of it that it takes to pump the mercury to the top of the tube.

Of course it needs to be heavier than that to cover the wireframe wheel and the gates.

Even though objects fall at the same speed, they do not fall with the same force. Heavier objects fall with more force, and that is where we make our excess power.   

This totally works. I've seen it operating myself. A Chinese guy did this with water and a capsule. I didn't invent it I just modified it  bit.
you saw a utube vid. as penn & teller put it "doing magic tricks for the camera is bullshit!"
forget the energy for the mech that operates the gates and the transfer wheel, they are not the problem.
you have to lift one ball volume of mercury to the top of the tank each cycle.
energy = mgh
the float lift energy is the differance in mass between the ball and the one ball volume of mercury times g times height
the fall energy of the ball is its mass times g time height.
these two are the same as the energy to move the mercury back to the top of the tank.
there is no extra to be had.
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Fritz,
           You are correct. Thanks for pointing it out. Now, what this tells us is that we have to find a way to either insert the ball without spending any energy, or finding a way to get output from buoyancy without inserting anything at all!

           The disk turning sideways was the next idea I looked at. The problem was displacing the area where the ball was concealed and getting the "door" to move back into position.

            While, fighting the pressure is not an option if we want any leftover output, I thought we could use buoyancy to lift it up back into position. While this may be doable, it would be tricky. But then, like a flash the answer hit me, and now I have it.

             After a little research to make sure it will work and a little tweaking, I can now get perpetual motion and positive electrical output from a tank of mercury, using three additional components, one of which is a ball. The ball does not have to be inserted into the bottom of the tank in order for it to work. We do not need to lift anything or add any energy to the system at all in any way.
 
             There is only one moving part and we don't have to make it move.


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Offline gemstone hell

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I will start a new thread in the correct category to explain this soon. So you can find it, I'll call it "Mercury Gravity Drive".

 

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