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Red_Sunset

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3090 on: December 02, 2012, 09:17:43 AM »
Is your morning coffee lukewarm?
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, ..........................................................

Yes my dear TinselKoala,
I am sorry that I cannot be your "cold" nor "hot" forum pal but I am happy I do not have your dictatorial obsession, your insistence that "there is only one road that leads to Rome", only you have the truth, only you is right, and in the end it has nothing to do with who is right.  I am not referring to the "valid points" you have made, I am referring to your dogmatic, push down the throat BEHAVIOR STYLE !!
We have known too many dictatorial leaders in history and each ended up in shedding blood of too many people. Similar conflict behavior style !

Life can be way more simple, LIVE AND LET LIVE. (OU. 228:3407.LL)

This Korean guy can teach you a few things....GANGNAM STYLE.....!     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
Why not, do the easy steps....let it all out, ..it will do you good !!!   a more funny version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L66i_DghcCQ

LIFE IS TOO GOOD TO WASTE ON CONFLICT....Build a ZED and learn OU...GANGNAM STYLE
We called in my younger days...FLOWER POWER....maybe that is considered now "lukewarm"?
Maybe the "Terminator" or "Rambo" style are more your cup of coffee?  If that is the case, sorry then we are not suited for each other, you will have to accept that. Please let it come to rest with one reply only. ( I can read with comprehension, repeat is not nessesairy)

I think you have still something to learn in life (before you depart to the prairie in the sky).
Do it now before it is too late.  (OU. 228:3407)
Michel

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3091 on: December 02, 2012, 10:37:34 AM »
Hi,
    they're going to start fracking near here pretty soon, I hate the thought of that far more than fission. We've had a couple of
earth tremors after the first trial drilling.
    we need to get something sustainable going soon or this lovely land of ours 'll end up like the carcass of a dead bird.
 This can't be called a gravity machine because it's nowhere near massive enough. Physical bodies attract each other with a
force proportional to their mass, so with my magic see-saw to get 20 hp, we need to exchange 30 tons, stroke 1ft @ six strokes/min.
  I did a little experiment with a nut on a 3ft bit of string, when I swung it round vertically I found that the rpm I could
achieve was minimal and I conclude that the amount of power (rate of doing work) was so low that a gravity machine
wouldn't be practical, even if it worked.
                                                  John.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2012, 03:13:13 PM by minnie »

TinselKoala

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3092 on: December 02, 2012, 02:27:42 PM »
Quote
Please let it come to rest with one reply only. ( I can read with comprehension, repeat is not nessesairy)

Show me the sausages. If you cannot, or will not, even after all of this..... I conclude that your sausage machine does not work.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3093 on: December 02, 2012, 06:49:29 PM »
Show me the sausages. If you cannot, or will not, even after all of this..... I conclude that your sausage machine does not work.
TinselKoala,
I am sure that Wayne will show you, but not let you taste the sausages when he has the barbeque started for the successful conclusion of the validation celebrations. Sooner than you think.
Regards, Michel

PS: This now concludes our "one liner" allowance.  Did you like the GangNam Style ?

TinselKoala

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3094 on: December 02, 2012, 09:33:25 PM »
And later than you think. I say "never". When do you say? Would you care to make a small side bet, as to the date of the "validation"?

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3095 on: December 02, 2012, 09:58:35 PM »
Hi,
   I'm not at all ready to give up on this one. Obviously mrwayne has got clever people on his team and I'm only a worn out
old farmer.
  Talk about getting blood out of a stone, I sure haven't got many facts out of mrwayne.
This has still got top place in my "It well may work" list.
I saved up for nine years to get a red Ducati, and oh boy, that was well worth the wait.
At long last the floods are subsiding, we may be able to get back on the land, who said anything about climate change?
 Come on mrwayne!
                               John.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3096 on: December 02, 2012, 11:21:37 PM »
Straightening up in the DeepBunker today, waiting for winter here... I'm running the window A/C.... but I decided to show some of _my_ sausages. Here is _some_ of the apparatus I've used to investigate some of MrWayne's claims. I have scales, rulers, balances, displacers, incremental weights, heavy weights, stands, long tubes, short tubes, stacked tubes, nested tubes, water, air, pressure measuring manometers, timers and clocks, cameras, adhesives, cutting tools... and I've shown some of my results on YouTube but by no means all. Everything I've found with this apparatus, in spite of all "directions" and "teachings" otherwise, has been entirely consistent with conservation laws and the behaviour of ordinary nested and stacked hydraulic/pneumatic cylinders. You can multiply force at the expense of distance. You can cause movement when you release a restrained object, caused by the action of stored pressures and elevated masses. You cannot get anything "for free".  Or at least, I can't. If someone else can.... please report in, using SI units and properly accepted calculations of energy and work.
And anyone who accuses me of not "getting my hands wet" should see the prune-like appearance of my fingers after a day spent playing in Mister Wayne's water garden of forking paths and dissimulation.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3097 on: December 03, 2012, 01:17:47 AM »
Hi All,

in the last few days there was too much hate going on here in this thread and I have decided to

close the thread now until we will hear the new testings from Mark Dansie in a few days including a new video.



Regards, Stefan,
« Last Edit: December 04, 2012, 05:23:21 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3098 on: December 11, 2012, 11:50:24 PM »
Latest news from http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/index.php/current-objectives :

November 27 and December 4, 2012
Hello Friends and Family,
Some of you noticed I did not update the website last week, for personal reasons -
 I only sent out our private update list. Thank you all for your prayers - Sandy is doing much better.
 The surgery went very well, she had a reaction to the medicine which kept her sick until we figured that out - but now she is as good as new.
I don't mind being Mr. Mom - for a day or two - but 14 days was enough to say - Mom's work their tails off.

TAZ  The Taz is our big news right now - I have run over a dozen controlled experiments with it - to determine and verify that it can perform as designed -
We are very pleased with the results. So much so, that I have had conferences, and have conferences scheduled regarding the direction "it" is taking our company.

I will be revealing the details next week, we are holding off until we wrap up the ZED Replication Challenge, and the Sim and our internal Validation of the ZED. 

External Validation
  One of my conferences was with the head of the Validation team, We reviewed both the Unique phenomena that we incorporate in the ZED and the TAZ, we agreed to some very clear goals to accomplish, direction - and set a timeline that fits both schedules. We also discussed the next steps that will be taken after that successful testing. I will be presenting that information as a clear guide post for those who are volunteering their time and skills to our efforts. 

Internal Validation
Starting four weeks ago our "in lab team" went to the work and design modifications to make the adjustments necessary to determine if we can match the output system of the TAZ to the input of the ZED - to show "work" being done for our New energy. The alternative was to build a simple conversion system for the TAZ - separate from the ZED. The physical work for the connection of the two is now finished - and the next three days will tell us if they will get along. At the same time - Kevan is designing a stand alone conversion system for the TAZ - both as a back up plan and to simplify the Validation process. The ZED we have is New energy by itself - and the TAZ is also New Energy by itself - it will be a bit more explaining to have them both connected - so we will hopefully have both methods in short order. 

Mark Dansie and Teams
Mark is now Married to his beautiful bride, spent his honeymoon on a private beach - awesome pictures..... He is in the USA again, I talked with him yesterday and I will be sharing with him our progress this weekend, bringing him up to speed on the TAZ, and picking his brain and insight towards a direction under consideration. One of the issues "Political" we are dealing with now, and one of the harsh realities we are facing as a company - like it or not - is this; there is extreme prejudice concerning "Free Energy"............... we are discussing a company direction change - in our approach as a company to "brand" our systems as "Very Efficient" or High Output", and let the world figure out how good we are in the field.  (change this battle field to our advantage) The second Issue; The "Product" we are now working on the market entry, and deciding which product will give us the ability to move quickly and be accepted. This question effects our validation efforts - we are working on this now. 

Patent / Attorneys
  I have received confirmation form Dunlap and Codding that the US patent office has received our new application and they have assigned us a Patent pending number - for the TAZ and the next model - the SPAZ. 

Engineers
  These guys have been busting it on several fronts - Data collection and testing for the ZED SIM, The TAZ for the COG, Mass momentum, and more, Design improvements for the SPAZ, and COP optimizations.

A little help:

ZED = Zydro Energy Device
SIM = Computer Simulations
TAZ = Tilta ZED (ZED operational principle optimized)
COG = Center of Gravity
SPAZ = Spin a ZED
COP = Co efficiency of Performance


Private professional forum  I mentioned on the private update about our forming a private forum online.
We have 25 members / volunteers and innovators helping in our private forum so far, they are bright and motivated team members who are lending their talent in many ways to help us reach our goals. We are about to wrap up successfully a major accomplishment in that group - celebrate with a video montage showing a sweep thru the previous work and volunteering up till today - so I look forward to that - thank you who sent in pictures of your visits - their is still time if you forgot - But don't delay.

Faith and progress Something I want to share with our Missions teams, In my conference with the lead member of our "final" validation team - yesterday, He said he see's that our system will help missions around the world - and we will be partnering with the many groups already working to bring energy, pumping, and support for these needs.........this is how our story started ... and now it looks like it is how we will proceed...... Thank God - brother Kim has been telling me this from the beginning....awesome. If you are part of our faith team - you should really thank God for the types of hearts and minds he has brought to assist us............... enough said. GGT - Give God Thanks Wayne Travis
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3099 on: December 11, 2012, 11:53:32 PM »
Also from:
http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/index.php/current-objectives

December 11, 2012

Hello Friends and Family,

Very exciting weekend, Mark Dansie's visit went very well.
We brought him up to speed on the evolution of our systems and showed him our progress with the TAZ.

Mark has said he will have his complete report ready in 24 hours, we all know - "it will be when it will be" I do not put a "time limit" on Mark,
as he has not put one on our operation ;-) Mark spoke about his visit on the Smart Scarecrow show Monday night, here is a link.

http://www.youtube.com/user/smartscarecrow

Mark begins discussing our project @ 15 min and 40 secs

Thank you Rick, Kevan, and Terry for helping out and especially for "Sandy" for making the arrangements and hosting!
We are pretty Jazzed our selves, Mark showed his "gift" for the ability to look and see "the big picture" -
He recognized that our improved TAZ design "solved" several internal concerns he had with the system, cost, complexity, construction, shipping, and limitation of "applications" (these are longer issues).

Now the work continues on the TAZ - we are only one step away from completely close looping the system and "completing the New Energy Technology Validation"
We are running all of the tests needed to ensure we get it right the first time.

Larry and Kevan have been having fun with the new models - Larry has been volunteering full time helping us - isn't retirement great - what a gift and blessing.

I believe the SIM for the ZED system is nearly complete some very good work has been underway for several months by a great team.
Our private professional forum is building up to the new challenges - I expect the great minds to come together for our common goal.
May you all have a Very Merry Christmas!

Wayne Travis
President
HydroEnergy Revolution LLC
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« Reply #3100 on: December 12, 2012, 06:03:17 AM »
This is the transcript of  Dansie's interview on the last SmartScarecrow show:
 
 
 
 Dansie: I was down there, there's a project which we've been following for nearly eighteen months now, it was a buoyancy-gravty device- ah.. Wayne Travis, and ah.. It was something I had found that I wasn't sure either way, ah whether they could achieve what they are claiming, and that is a mechanical device, if you like, that could self-run and produce excess energy. And as you know in the history of Mankind, nobody's ever achieved that.  I saw enough evidence for me to be convinced that (shrug) yeah, it's worthwhile having a go at it. But it's dragged on a bit, but I have been impressed and encouraged by two things. It's TOTALLY (emphasis Dansie's) evolved into something else, there's no big tanks and all that now, it's nearly solid state, it's still moves but it's very simple, can (or can't? unsure here) be flat-packed, and they are very close.. to the point ...  where (hesitates) we we can actually.. where we can actually ah... where I think within the next month or two c
  learly d
  efine and test whether it is going to produce excess energy and self-run. Ah ..
 
 (Hendershot cuts him off for a commercial break....)
 
 after break:
 
 Dansie: The Wayne Travis buoyancy device...
 
 (Hendershot asks, laughing,  "What's going on in Oklahoma?")
 
 Dansie: Well... I'm still encouraged by what I've seen...ah However (emphasis) it's got down to the point now with the second device that... it's interesting he's got some very clever engineers and people, people flown from Greece and Switzerland and Canada to come and lend a hand, he's got some clever engineers, they've all predicted it will, ah, self-run and produce excess energy, but as you know the final proof (coughs) for me to see it self-run and produce excess energy. So they are very close for the latest prototype to be able to demonstrate that and that will bring it to conclusion one way or the other; I'm very encouraged, I still rank it highly, ah they are a very great group, a very honest group, ah However (emphasis) ah you know (come on? unclear) well half the scientists and engineers saying "hey this could really work", Half the scientists and engineers I know saying "pixie dust, this is a lot of BS" So, but they've done a great job, I can see why it had to evolv
  e, I can
   see huge improvements where from manufacturing and logistics point, you could flat-pack this like an Ikea system, they've got a third one in the wings that would be the one you'd throw in the basement...But I expect within the next two months that this will be brought to a conclusion. I am speaking positively of it yet but I have NOT signed off on it. So that's about as far as I can take it at this stage.

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Thanks to TK who compiled this.

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #3101 on: December 19, 2012, 04:55:00 PM »
Updates from the website:
 
Celebrating Blessings and Direction 

December 18, 2012


Hello Friends and Family,

May you all have a Very Merry Christmas,   We are currently testing Rams to prepare to close loop the TAZ, the first tests today were very exciting - good to be here.     

Several visitors, one from Africa, Kansas, Tulsa, and even a complete coincidence - a minister stopping by to offer a good Word (he used to work as an engineer - should have seen his excitement...)     Mark's (unofficial) Visit went very well as I shared last week. 

 Mark agrees with the path we have taken to research and develop the TAZ, and he is impressed with the team work and support from all of you.. 

 Here is his report on his visit:     "Finally I get a chance to write this.[/color][/size] First of all I wish to thank Wayne and his family, for their wonderful hospitality, and friendship on my visit.

The visit was not for validation purposes but to evaluate what has happened in the last 18 months, and where the project is heading. The deign has changed radically from the one I last visited. There are no longer cylinders moving within cylinders, but simple to erect piping using of the shelf parts. I am impressed on how the system has evolved, the effort and expertise that has been applied since my last visit. This was all of course done an a minimal budget.

I always had some reservations about the first one given the logistics of manufacturing and transporting. The new design offers many advantages:

1. Reduced tooling and manufacturing cost.
2. Easy to “Flat pack “ reducing transportation and assembly costs
3. The ability to use low skilled labor for assembly
4. The elimination of seals and parts that could wear by moving against each other
5. The ability to engineer into a much smaller unit.


Some of the components have been used of the old system to gather pressure which can be converted to hydraulic pressure to assist with the self running, and be accumulated after each cycle to be bled of for power production. I am impressed with the number of engineers, people and other volunteers who have traveled from other countries and did their own assessment based on data collected.

There are a number of replications also underway. A lot of modeling and simulations has been undertaken by Wayne, his engineers and other helpers all concluding this is feasible. On the other hand there are many critics and historical evidence to date is no one has ever achieved a self running, freestanding device that could sustain itself running let alone provide any excess energy. It has been suggested recently that some other form input energy could be used and the device used to lever this to some mechanical advantage such as pumping water.


This could be explored further. The new device is functional, appart from an accumulator to harvest the excess energy. This would be in the form of either one or two hydraulic rams which would return any harvested energy to an accumulator tank.

Some of this energy is used to assist in the operation of the device. There has been much discussion on forums both private and public about the theory of this device, many simulations and projections based on data gathered.
Ultimately it gets down to demonstrating that there is a self running device that accumulates excess energy no mater how small.
I have witnessed three technologies where this is the case even though the scientists and engineers may argue about why it is accepted because of the data that supports the end result.

This can be easily monitored with the current sensors:

1. That monitor the pressure in the accumulators.
2. The measurement of start up pressure of water and air (known as the pre-charge) is maintained.
3. That water levels and heights are maintained in the device.

The device should run long enough to account for any energy used in the pre-charge phase. Wayne and his assistants agree on all of the above and are close to finalizing modifications and installing components so this test can take place. I also feel it would be also useful to take up Jim Dunn's offer of sending Ken Stafford for a review of the data collected to date, simulations, projections and assumptions made. This would give another level of confirmation and possible clarification of some of the principles that may be involved and not known at this stage. He may also suggest further engineering refinements. The amount of power generated at this stage is not as important as the ability for the device to self run and if possible produce a usable excess no matter how small.

This in itself is a monumental breakthrough if achieved. There is a high level of confidence amongst the consulting engineers and assistants, I personally remain positive, but can not sign of until we get the data by the approved methodology. Thanks you Jim, Rick, Wayne and please pass on my kindest regards to Sandy and the rest of your family and wonderful crew. Kind Regards Mark Dansie "     Before and after Mark's visit, I spoke with a couple of the Validation Team members, and I have invited them down to review our work and give guidance on the testing.     We could have visitors this week! This will go along way towards improving understanding and help us avoid errors.     


Single ZED Replication Challenge winner!   

"Dale Wilcox"   I called the winner of the ZED replications, it was a hard choice, we had five builds, an enormous amount of work that was put in to each of them.     In the end - what we gained was a fine group of builders and thinkers willing to test something outside the box. The model chosen for the prize was the one built well enough to be tested and was painstaking tested to assist in verifying the Simulation.     These Builds will be in our discovery center - when the builders are finished playing with them.     Very Honorable Mention - Chris Hamm, he built the only single ZED that was required less input than it could generate 147% efficient (for a single three layer system - that is pretty darn good) - I highly expect that Chris will be leading the group running for the Closed Loop Challenge!     Frankly - these were both better than my original system - so respect and hats off to them! All five participants were awarded share certificates of HER.     

Spreading the News - Welcome all the New members of HER. 

Thank you new members who have just joined our mission, your volunteering to add and to help this mission is very much appreciated .......as Mark said during his visit....... "You have been Blessed".     I am honored - and quickly acknowledge .....the Glory to God.   

Wayne Travis
President
HydroEnergy Revolution LLC
mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com