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DaveBrit

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3075 on: December 01, 2012, 03:25:49 AM »
 :-[  ....and Elvis has left the forum.
For good this time?  8)
« Last Edit: December 01, 2012, 01:30:58 PM by DaveBrit »

Red_Sunset

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3076 on: December 01, 2012, 05:47:10 AM »
mrwayne wanted to have his whole account deleted.
Before I do this after having verified it was really him, I would advice saving the important posting.
Regards, Stefan. ( Admin)

Thank you Stefan, And To those of you who followed with interest thank you.
Good Night

Wooowh,  peace at last  !! 
This action should have happened ages ago, too much damage to this thread has been done by just one steamroller person.
Looking forward to Christmas with light powered by the Zed/Taz and the serenity of peace on earth.
Good night......

TinselKoala

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3077 on: December 01, 2012, 07:09:59 AM »


Damage? All Mister Wayne ever had to do to shut any such "steamroller person" up for good, discredit him and make him so embarrassed that he'd never show his koala fur around here again.... is to show the proof of his claims. But he did not.... because he cannot. You think you are going to enjoy Christmas under the power of a Zed-lighted tree? Think again. Mister Wayne's house is still grid-powered and still will be at Christmas.
If it's not.... I'll apologise in public on You Tube. If it IS-- if Mister Wayne is still not running his own home's electrical needs on a self-powered HDPE system..... then I think somebody will owe ME an apology. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

All "presently existing" pages saved as .html and zipped up in an archive, downloadable at
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?d7sdhi1l4112zoi

Complete, unedited and I didn't even redact my IP address.

TinselKoala

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3078 on: December 01, 2012, 07:53:20 AM »
But it is fun going back over the old thread before it disappears.

For instance, in the post presently numbered #49, the Mark Dansie video was posted.

In post # 84, Stefan refers to the device as a "Rude Goldberg" device (sic).... I really am still lolling over that one. Incredibly appropriate, looking back from this vantage point.

In post #94, Mark Dansie stated his actual position at that time, clearly after he had made the video:

"I wanted to clarify some things.
I think this is a good exercise for Wayne being reviewed and this is just a taste of what he will have to go through when third party validation takes place. (the money people are a tough crowd) It is however hard to have a sensible argument or a full review when a lot of the information is missing, and while the technology is under development that has to be the way it is.
I have seen the device run in person in what I call manual mode. Over the last few months Wayne and his team have been working to fully automate it and gather data to assist in the new design.
I have not signed off on it and publicly stated this many times until I can see it run non stop for at least two days with no inputs.
However I am optimistic about this being achieved, especially seeing some of the data and discussions with his engineers.
The next hurdle once this is achieved it increasing the power outputs.
I am very happy you all asked the questions and many are valid, but on the other hand its difficult for Wayne to answer with his hands tied behind his back by not being able to disclose too much.
Once I have seen it run for two days non stop I will report back (with Wayne s permission)
Kind Regards to you all
Mark"

Emphasis mine.

minnie

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3079 on: December 01, 2012, 09:37:09 AM »
Hi,
   that's one of the best ideas lately, light a Christmas tree. Start with something achievable and show that to the world.
If this is a gravity  machine, 50 watts would be a good place to start, the acceleration of gravity isn't that good so expect
a small output.
                       John.

minnie

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3080 on: December 01, 2012, 10:05:00 AM »
Hi,
    I think I've worked out a plausible reason for venting hydraulic fluid to keep it going. The thing was running on stored air
pressure from big cylinders but as the air reduced there wouldn't be enough force left to run the hydraulic system. Hence
by reducing the load that way would give a bit more run time.
  Even if you could get a gravity wheel to work you couldn't get any real power because the rpm would be so limited, the
weights would just get left behind at a certain speed.
                                                                                John.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3081 on: December 01, 2012, 11:14:53 AM »
......................................................... You think you are going to enjoy Christmas under the power of a Zed-lighted tree? Think again. Mister Wayne's house is still grid-powered and still will be at Christmas. ....................................................................
I think I was too fast, too optimistic.
Talking about the devil and you see his tail.  It must still be too early for Christmas and peace.

powercat

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3082 on: December 01, 2012, 12:17:46 PM »
As MrWayne has nothing new to offer most of us won't be disappointed to see him leaving again. and let's face facts He will be remembered for promising so much and delivering very little, and those of us who have experience of people who make claims of Overunity will know and understand how his profile is a perfect match of somebody making a fraudulent claim.


In all the time he's been here the best results he came up with was the $2000 Webby and all his other supporters and blind followers couldn't even match that's dubious results.  All MrWayne and his followers do is regurgitate the same old story of promising words excuses and not forgetting the latest one....it all works great in NDA land but of course no one is allowed to talk about it.


I wonder how long before MrWayne is back here preaching at us again that his device does work but for various reasons he can never Show any factual scientific evidence or have it professionally verified.  And no one apart from one person he pays money to can replicate any of his claims. MrWayne has been preaching here since April and has failed to deliver Overunity to anyone in the real world.

mondrasek

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3083 on: December 01, 2012, 03:41:02 PM »
Well, that could have gone better.
 
Believe it or not ;)
 
M.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3084 on: December 01, 2012, 06:10:56 PM »
I apologize to the group and Wayne for my over reaction to the aspersions being cast against my person, I should of dealt with them in a better manner than I did.
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Hi Webby,
No problem MAN !!!  forget about it.
SHIT happens to all of us at one time or another.
We will all look back at this episode as a forum heatwave in the not so distant future.
Michel

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3085 on: December 01, 2012, 11:07:08 PM »
Mr.Waynes strange approach had to end like this, it was the inevitable outcome in an open source forum.
 
Anyone claiming COP>1 without presenting repeatable experimental information here at OU will get the same treatment of fair and dire criticism.
One thing to learn from all this is that either you go open source or do it the old greedy way, any in betweens just creates confusion and suspicion.
 

As far as I am concerned, keeping a COP>1 device for yourself is a greedy violation acted upon the present situation on earth.
Also, inherent in the very quality of such a device is the inevitable fact that it will make money worthless in the long run.
 

The only sound way to act today is to patent your device so no one can claim it, and then go open source.
That way you may allow anyone to build and sell it, thus making the introduction into the global market rocket fast, and still making yourself a wealthy man since you are one step ahead of everyone else.

 
Gwandau

TinselKoala

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3086 on: December 02, 2012, 05:52:27 AM »
I say
Where is the "simple, three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself" (MrWayne's exact words)?
How was its clear overunity measured and what are the input and output WORK numbers?

But I thought you already had your little private forum where everyone is looking at their tabletop perpetual waterpump replications and wondering when they will stop running.
Oh... that's a preconceived understanding, sorry. Withdrawn.


Mister Wayne has told us of several replications. Where are they?
Oh... that's an attack, isn't it, because it puts Wayne on the spot and he's got NDAs up the wazoo.


What is my "agenda" for asking these simple questions? The TRUTH. I seek clear understanding of the TRUTH about Mister Wayne and his scheme.

I also say..... it was not ethical for you, Webby, to accept money from Mister Wayne, then become his chief advocate here. There is one way that you can regain  my respect and your own credibility: show me a receipt for a charitable donation in the same amount you got from Mister Wayne. Give it to the Trinity Baptist Church in Chickasha , for example. They could use it to pay their utility bills -- I think it's going to be a cold winter in Oklahoma, once it gets started.

You have information, some of which you won't share.....?
That's a good start, isn't it.  How about this: So Do I.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3087 on: December 02, 2012, 06:23:21 AM »
Let us all start a new thread.
Simple rules of this thread.
First: ask questions with *no* agenda.
Second: No preconceived understandings
Third: No attacks
Fourth: to only seek an understanding.
I have information, some I will not share out of respect but that is not needed to understand the basic system.
What say you?

Hi Webby,
However good intended,  your proposition will degrade the forum from my viewpoint.
Nobody does or asks questions without a reason, a reason automatically implies an agenda, let it be small or big.
Nobody can be "not preconceived" or "biased", we are the product of our parents values and the environment where we grew up,  we all have opinions and position by default on everything although they can vary from indifferent to weak, to strong, to very strong, to unshakable,  to holy.

I agree, there should be discipline and attacks should be avoided in the forum, but it must allow for a difference of opinion and communicate with feeling and respect is essential. I believe this was the main component missing here. 
The disrespect flowed forth out of the outrage that was a result of expectations not being met.  The framework of expectations is set by the trend of previous topics and how they were dealt with on similar issues. 
This case was so different because there was a conflict between commercial interests and the desire to share the same information in order to network the concept.  I came to believe that the intent was to do this without hurting the commercial interest, a difficult task.
The main pivot point that made everything go haywire is that nobody was reading any longer with understanding.  It became a case of force feeding, pushing an opinion down somebody's throat.
By page #3 it was already clear that this was not going to be a full detailed disclosure for "open sourcing",  but the opposition by this time was already clearly trying to force the hand of Wayne to do their bidding and neither party never relented and some good stuff fell through the cracks in the process and killed the whole thread in the process.
Seek understanding, is directly related to point one, "what is your question and your agenda !!". Many people don't care how it works, but notwithstanding would like to have a controlling capability over that knowledge. Seeking knowledge is fundamentally similar than "hard work" an idealistic position, both should advance you in life, but as it quite often goes in life, a focused shortcut can shorten that path without the "hard work".

At the same time, to be part of a discussion and withholding information is disastrous to the topic, the topic will never achieve much and die a slow dead because of it,  this topic is a good example of that.  Technically, the topic could have been opened by a small document of a few pages that describes the whole concept in good detail and discussion commences based on that presentation. For many persons, the stretched release of information interleaved by too many non-relevant and non-technical posts made following the thread and to understand the underlying theory very difficult

My opinion, the forum should be WIDE OPEN and WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS and members should READ WITH UNDERSTANDING and REPLY WITH RESPECT and RESPECT DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, a disagreement once stated does not have to be repeated every second post. FOCUS ON TECHNICALITIES and not on business aspects.

This is a bit like the current argument in the media about controlling the internet,  control or self regulation ?
Michel
 
PS: TINSELKOALA, As I posted, there was again your by now non-relevant post, repeating for the 150th time the same thing we HAVE ALL READ, WE HAVE ALL UNDERSTOOD and WE DO NOT NEED TO HAVE IT SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS ANY LONGER.  NO NEED TO REPEAT "WAYNE's EXACT WORDS",  we also read the forum
WE ARE NOT STUPID, WE CAN READ ENGLISH WITH UNDERSTANDING,  THIS IS YOUR POSITION AND WE ARE FINE WITH THAT.
STOP SPOILING MY MORNING COFFEE  !!!!!!!!!!!!

TinselKoala

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3088 on: December 02, 2012, 07:22:36 AM »
Is your morning coffee lukewarm?

I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.  (Rev. 3: 15-16)

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
(Matt. 7:5)

Red_Sunset

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #3089 on: December 02, 2012, 08:34:35 AM »
.................................... I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.  (Rev. 3: 15-16) ............................................

PLEASE DO SO RAPIDO, THAT IS THE LAST PLACE in the world I WOULD LIKE TO BE !!!!!!!!!!
I just can not figure out how you thought I could have landed up there, especially knowing what non-kosher came out of there !!!

Your fellow man,