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conradelektro

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2012, 04:27:49 PM »
 Wayne, I wish you well and hope you succeed in what ever you want to achieve. It is great that you built this impressive machine.


But I want to repeat what I said (over and over again): As a mentally sane person one can not believe in something that is not disclosed in every detail.
 
Since you do not want to disclose every detail, what is there to discuss besides "philosophy", "insinuations" or "metaphors"?

I do not want to be rude, but one can say it in short: "If you want to disclose, speak up! If you want to keep a secret, shut up!"


I also want to state again my opinion, why OU is the worst possible choice for money making:
 
 If ever we find OU, it will be a new source of energy or a new way of transforming one kind of energy into an other kind of energy. In other words, it will be a new law of nature not yet discovered.
 
 Once this is discovered, there will be millions of ways to use that principle and it will take decades till something really useful comes out of it. The "discoverer" (who may see himself as an "inventor") will not be believed for a long time. Mainstream science and public opinion have a high inertia which needs first of all "time" to be overcome.
 
 You can not patent a law of nature (or a principle), only a way of using that law by help of a contraption. And there will be endless ways of implementing a principle. There will be thousands of patents.
 
 It is by no means assured that the discoverer of a new law of nature will get credit for his discovery. Clever business men will come out with it with a new name and a new spin. Mainstream scientists will present it in their own words and claim fame. Hundreds of people will claim that they have found it before you. Many will sell books about it.


So, for me nothing has changed, nothing remains to be said. Once you are prepared to disclose, I will be back. Till then, good luck.

Greetings, Conrad
(One can read in detail what I said on pages 1 to 3 of this thread.)

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #91 on: May 25, 2012, 04:51:40 PM »
Hello Wayne:

I believe that you are taking advantage of the change in surface area which in turn is using surface tension to your advantage.  Clever idea.  Doing so causes the water to expand energy to create more surface tension in order to do work.

Are you taking water temperature measurements?  If so, do you see a cooling effect on the water over time?  This could be the source of your energy.

Regards

Chris

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #92 on: May 25, 2012, 07:47:19 PM »
Hi Wayne ,
it would be great if you could do another video explaining just your start process
and explaining in detail your power output and how you measure it and how the generator
is connected to the system.

You could do it this way, that you don´t give away the secret inside the machine, but show to everyone,
how you get the power out there and what kind of bulbs you power there above the power meter...etc.,..

Just do a good narration in the video so the whole machine gets more clearer also to people who are no
engineers and have zero technical knowledge.


Just imagine tell somebody, who never heard about this yet the facts about this machine and what it can do and
how you want to scale it up...


By the way, scaling it up into the KiloWatts range will be probably pretty hard with the current design,
as this is only outputting about 30 Watts for this size ?
So how big do you have to do it for to get at least 1000 Watts out ?

Or does this scale up with the used air pressure inside ?
Can you get still more power out of it with the same size, if you build the
components more robust, so it can withstand higher pressures ?

Can you please also show in a next video the 2 red bulbs you are using there ?
Are they really rated at 15 Watts each ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #93 on: May 26, 2012, 02:48:55 AM »
Hi Wayne ,
I have one question if i may .what happen when if you replace the molded cement in the youtube video with another recipient full of water ? does it have the same buoyancy as the simple recipient full of air all the way up?

I am asking this question because as silly as it sound its what seems to be implied in the video other wise the
"travis effect" will be hardly mechanically usefull unless there is somethink else than what as been showed in the video.


markdansie

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #94 on: May 26, 2012, 04:00:53 AM »
I wanted to clarify some things.
I think this is a good exercise for Wayne being reviewed and this is just a taste of what he will have to go through when third party validation takes place. (the money people are a tough crowd) It is however hard to have a sensible argument or a full review when a lot of the information is missing, and while the technology is under development that has to be the way it is.
I have seen the device run in person in what I call manual mode. Over the last few months Wayne and his team have been working to fully automate it and gather data to assist in the new design.
I have not signed off on it and publicly stated this many times until I can see it run non stop for at least two days with no inputs.
However I am optimistic about this being achieved, especially seeing some of the data and discussions with his engineers.
The next hurdle once this is achieved it increasing the power outputs.
I am very happy you all asked the questions and many are valid, but on the other hand its difficult for Wayne to answer with his hands tied behind his back by not being able to disclose too much.
Once I have seen it run for two days non stop I will report back (with Wayne s permission)
Kind Regards to you all
Mark

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #95 on: May 26, 2012, 04:39:17 AM »
Mark is right,
The education I have gained from this group is well appreciated.

And I share in your frustration - which stems from not being able to share completly.

Many of you have asked Questions that make me say "YES! they are begining to get it."

I wish you were here - because right now, right here in the lab, touching and feeling the discoveries, overcoming new barriers, is the joy of inventing.

Not  money, not fame, but the that thrill and accomplishment of discovery, and of creating a way to overcome - that is a job well done for an inventor.

I am done here, those who requested will be added to my update list.

God Bless you all.
Wayne
 
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #96 on: May 26, 2012, 09:35:16 PM »
Just a couple of points regarding the "Travis effect". A better illustration would have been as follows. Have a see-saw [teeter-totter] mounted above the water tank. Now have a vertical rod from each end of  this seesaw descending to and attached to the two cups. This would better show that the bouyancy of the two cups were equal , in spite of the different amounts of air.
       It has been said that the up thrust on the right cup will diminish as it rises away from the concrete block, and the shape of the enclosed air changes . Suppose that we replace that concrete block with another inverted cup that is full of water, and is exactly the same size and shape as the concrete . And we fix it to the outer cup, so that it rises with it. Does this cure the diminishing up thrust problem?

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #97 on: May 26, 2012, 10:18:37 PM »
Your described demo is the one I use in my lab,
When the two equal contianers have the same diffirential pressure (not volume)- they will balance.
Volume does not matter on the Travis side unless you don't have enough to equal the diffirential.
Now what you can observe - is this add weight to the Archimedes' side and it will sink.
Add weight to the Travis Effect side - and the pressure diffirential increases to match the weight.
 
Sinks a little and then bounces back (repulsion)
 
 
 
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #98 on: May 26, 2012, 10:28:22 PM »
So adding weight to the Travis side, and it sinks a little and bounces back . That is very intersting, I will have to try this for myself .
  Could you please comment on my second paragraph , about replacing the concrete block with another cup, and attaching that cup to the original Travis cup?

mrwayne

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #99 on: May 26, 2012, 10:47:19 PM »
If you attach the displacement to the cup "brick or water" the Travis effect is nuetralized because the water becomes a weight when surrounded by air (in simple terms).
The buoyancy with that design is exactly equal to Archimedes'
The "Travis effect" will not work with a submarine -
 
key to the design of the invention is opposite forces not connected - connected leads to nothing.
 
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #100 on: May 26, 2012, 11:01:17 PM »
If you attach the displacement to the cup "brick or water" the Travis effect is nuetralized because the water becomes a weight when surrounded by air (in simple terms).
The buoyancy with that design is exactly equal to Archimedes'
The "Travis effect" will not work with a submarine -
 
key to the design of the invention is opposite forces not connected - connected leads to nothing.

 Yeah, but what would work better is what water districts use, a water tower. Call me Mr. Obvious if you like. But it does take less energy to pump water to an elevation of 128 feet than the work it creates. That would supply a hydro geneerator.
 After all, using something as old as a bellwos, if it moves 6 inches to close, it could as an example use 2 pounds of force to have 1 pound of water at an elevation of 33 feet.
 In Newton's term's, if it free falls, it will have the same force. The trick is that the water at the base would have the same force. This would mean that the 2 pounds of force would be a part of a staic head which means that for 33 feet of movement, 2 pounds of force would be generated.
 If every inch in the static head represented 1 pound of water, then where is the overunity ? it's in the leverage. Leverage (torque) amplifies force, even in a hydrogenerator. It could generate 4 times the force doubling it's power requirement.
 And entirely environmentally friendly. I just have to wonder why someone doesn't try something like that.
 Still, best of luck on your discovery and wish you all the success you deserve.
 
                                                                                   Jim
 
edited to correct the math and errors in concept  ;D :o

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #101 on: May 26, 2012, 11:26:04 PM »


I took a 1 qt container and taped some lawn trimmer string on the sides
so that a second matching container could not go down all the way
leaving a small air space at the top and sides.

And then I filled that 1st container with water and a lid so it
had no boyancy and inverted it into a bucket of water.

Then I pushed a second matching container down over the first container
squeezing most of the air out till only a little was at the top and
 sides and it had very little lifting pressure. - disappointing....

Then I took the same 2nd container and pushed it down in the water
and it had much more lifting pressure.

Its easy to try.

I'm curious if others get similar or better results on this basic experiment.

Norman


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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #102 on: May 26, 2012, 11:52:35 PM »
Hello Norman,
I am a little confused by what you wrote - i just mean I do not understand what you did.
But - your experiment sounds very familiar - I had both cups in my hands - in the tub, both inverted one completly full of water, one completly full of air.
Carefully feel how much the water filled cup weighs - not much at all (under water)
Carefully feel how much the buoyancy in the air filled cup (full submerged)
Now, in that same condition - both cups fully submerged - slowly lower the air cup over the water cup,
What you will notice is this -
the water filled cup will "increase" in downwad force (like a weight)
The air will begin escaping the air filled cup, (should see a loss in buoyancy right ;-)?
But the buyancy of the air filed cup does not change - even as the air escapes - because the diffirential pressure acting upon the surface area has not changed
If you reach bottom, the water cup will now weigh the same as the lift in the cup.
The weight in the water filled cup increased a lot of air was lost in the air filled cup, and the buoyant force is the same as you started.
Now begin to lift the partially filled air cup - almost instantly the weight of the water cup dissapears, and the buoyancy of the air cup is reduced to nill.
NOW - think a little diffiretly then my critics - if you reverse the process - you can turn both of those forces on (the weight and the buoyancy very quickly with little very little dicplacement -
Now - do you know why Buoyancy has never been succesfully utilized - it takes too long to get the conatiner to fill and to sink - oops solved that
You now know how to nearly skip that fill and drain time -
p.s this is only the begining of our process - so don't try to jump to the end with conlcusions
 
Good Job all of you who look!
 
Wayne
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #103 on: May 27, 2012, 02:22:21 AM »
OK Wayne I'll try this again.

experiment 1
I took a 1 qt container and taped some lawn trimmer string vertically on the outer sides
(  simple spacers evened out and simetrical )
so that a second matching container could not fit down on top of it all the way
leaving a small air space at the top and sides.

And then I filled that 1st container with water and put a lid on it and turned
it upside down and put it into a bucket of water. - result - it has neutral buoyancy.

Then I pushed a second matching upside down container into the water and down over the first container squeezing most of the air out till just like the video only a little air was at the top and  sides and when it was in position with a little air on top and some on the sides
where the spacers were it disappointingly it had very little lifting pressure.

experiment 2

Then I removed that 2nd container from the bucket of water which filled it with air and then I pushed it down in the water and it had much more lifting pressure than experiment 1.

I expected experiment 1 to have nearly equal lifting pressure to experiment 2.

Its easy to try this. I hope this makes it clearer.

I'm curious if others get similar or better results on this basic experiment.

Norman

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #104 on: May 27, 2012, 09:45:59 PM »
When it comes to grasping new concepts, even simple ones, they can be very hard to grasp, or maybe people, including me, are just lazy. I have previously criticised the Travis Effect video. I have suggested that the use of a see-saw, or if you like an inverted beam balance be used to compare the upthrust on the two cups. 
   My point is this. If the Travis effect, on its own is  capable of overunity, Then it should be possible to build a self running machine based on this principle alone. It does not have to show a fantastic COP, and it does not need to be fully self acting . By that I mean that it would be acceptable to manually operate valves, etc, as long as no energy is added by hand to the device.
     If this is not the case, then there are other undisclosed principles involved. It would be useful to know, either way. Are we for instance saying , that if we pump a small amount of air into the travis device , that the energy we can harvest from the resultant bouyancy is greater than the energy necessary to pump the air?