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Author Topic: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.  (Read 855684 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #75 on: May 25, 2012, 01:35:52 AM »
Wayne,

I notice that you haven't answered my questions but I don't really care.

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If the only thing you knew was that we were moving the weight (just the weight) completley free - you would realize you were seeing the potential source for abundant free energy that this world needs.

Sorry but I have to correct you here.  Seeing a weight move up and down in a repeating cycle on a machine means nothing.  It does not demonstrate the production of energy at all.

Here is what I care about:  When do you plan on doing a bona fide real working demo of your system?  You mention a model with a 25 kilowatt output?  Will you being doing a demo of that?  If not, how much power output?  With whatever power output you do plan on demoing, how are you going to demo that?

What do you envision for a demo?  I mean the location, what you will show, how it will be shown, who will verify it, what will it entail, etc, etc?

If you can answer those questions with substance, and give a date, that will give the readers here something to look forward to.

Thanks,

MileHigh

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #76 on: May 25, 2012, 01:50:35 AM »
Just a little reality check for everyone:

The demo clips with the inverted cups where one has a small amount of trapped air and the other has a large amount of trapped air prove absolutely nothing.  It's the water pressure at the lower extremity of the air volume that creates air pressure in the trapped volume of air.  The air pressure pushing on the top inside surface of the inverted cups is what creates the buoyancy.  In both cases the air pressure is the same as long as the cup with the smaller amount of trapped air is pushed down so it is very close to the mold.  So nothing at all is proved in those clips, it's all normal and expected behaviour.

Then in the third clip you see a big machine that appears to have air bellows and it moves and makes sounds and there is a little control panel and there are some lights on it.  That proves nothing at all.

In my opinion anybody that believes this system is real right now based on the information made available is making a mistake.

So as far as I am concerned, the ball is in Wayne's court.  The burden of proof rests on his shoulders and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

MileHigh

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #77 on: May 25, 2012, 02:32:40 AM »
MileHigh.
it is producing contineously 30 Watts on the 2 red bulbs above the Wattmeter...

So these 30 Watts are the free energy output .

Have again a look at the videos I posted on my youtube channel or
go to the overunity.com homepage and let them all play in a row...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #77 on: May 25, 2012, 02:32:40 AM »
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #78 on: May 25, 2012, 03:10:32 AM »
Is that 30w output enough to power the HMI and valves?

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #79 on: May 25, 2012, 04:41:42 AM »
Stefan,

Unfortunately all gravity and buoyancy based free energy propositions have been unsuccessful as far as I am aware.  If you want to accept seeing two lit light bulbs and some numbers on an LCD display as constituting proof that the system is working as claimed that is your prerogative.  I don't share your opinion.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #79 on: May 25, 2012, 04:41:42 AM »
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #80 on: May 25, 2012, 09:14:49 AM »
Wayne,

This system needs to be Open Sourced.
We need to see schematics, diagrams, and videos showing inside and out.
Other than that forget about it, this forum is not the place for your system.

Please take a look at http://peswiki.com/energy/OS this link should help in your decision.
And also http://www.overunity.com/1821/open-source-vs-patenting

Peace.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #81 on: May 25, 2012, 11:50:51 AM »
Stefan,

Unfortunately all gravity and buoyancy based free energy propositions have been unsuccessful as far as I am aware.  If you want to accept seeing two lit light bulbs and some numbers on an LCD display as constituting proof that the system is working as claimed that is your prerogative.  I don't share your opinion.

MileHigh

Yes, but you also did not see it yet in person,
so your opinion is also prerogative.

As hard skeptic Mark Dansie and his associates claim that it fully
works, I just tend to believe them !

Also the device seems not to be so simple as the 2 Travis effect videos
with the pichers under water
show it...

If you look at the video from Mark Dansie you can see, that he has a "Valve-tree"
and that there are probably many partial cycles involved, otherwise he would not need so many valves..

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #82 on: May 25, 2012, 11:51:33 AM »

Other than that forget about it, this forum is not the place for your system.


Are you deciding this ?  I guess not ! ;) ;D

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #83 on: May 25, 2012, 12:13:47 PM »
Are you deciding this ?  I guess not ! ;) ;D

No, it’s a suggestion since this forum supposedly is suppose to be Open Source?
Maybe you should refine the theme here for overunity.com because you're confusing me now.
But then again I think you're just pulling my chain considering the smiley faces? :-)

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #83 on: May 25, 2012, 12:13:47 PM »
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #84 on: May 25, 2012, 12:18:25 PM »
I agree that it would be better to open source this, if this is the first
real design that uses buoyance to get free energy out of using
water and gravity.

But I also understand the inventor who has put all
his money and the funds of his associates for the last several years into
such a "Rude Goldberg" type machine
and now they want some return out of their money and work or some more for it...


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #85 on: May 25, 2012, 12:33:04 PM »
Here is a collage of some pictures of the ZED device which was posted at Peswiki.com

I hope it is okay to put this here as a mirror.

Many thanks.


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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #85 on: May 25, 2012, 12:33:04 PM »
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #86 on: May 25, 2012, 01:22:37 PM »
He can still make money as Open Source.
Look at the Linux operating system and how they did it. google "copyright vs copyleft".
Also check out the Linux movie "Revolution OS". just google it.
I suggest doing it the way Linux did it.

He can still have all rights to his system and still make money as Open Source. I don't think this necessarily only apply to software, should also work for mechanical systems.
Not everyone can build his system, this creates jobs, kits to sell, maintenance jobs, etc.
Everyone benefits including him and mother earth.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #87 on: May 25, 2012, 03:23:51 PM »
Wayne
You have to open source and you need successful replications to prove that your Technology Works
No one can steal your design............. if I make your device it would be illegal for me to sell it without your permission.

And as for other companies trying to claim your idea, I don't see an argument there, you have invented something so unique that has never been seen before, the choice is yours but as we have seen before many times on this forum if you don't Open source the likelihood is that nothing will ever become of your device,  we have all seen it time and time again over many years, so again it's up to you to really change history

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #88 on: May 25, 2012, 03:31:26 PM »
Yes, but you also did not see it yet in person,
so your opinion is also prerogative.

As hard skeptic Mark Dansie and his associates claim that it fully
works, I just tend to believe them !

Also the device seems not to be so simple as the 2 Travis effect videos
with the pichers under water
show it...

If you look at the video from Mark Dansie you can see, that he has a "Valve-tree"
and that there are probably many partial cycles involved, otherwise he would not need so many valves..

Regards, Stefan.

  Stefan,
 The valve tree is possibly to control vacuum. This could explain the deep tone the device emits. It's basically making a speaker out of the bellows they are using. And such tones are made by motion, not the movement of air.
 All this would mean is that he is using air operated actuators under vacuum. In engineering as in science, the inverse is always true.
 What is missing though is the discharge from the battery. This would show if it's continuous or if it has spikes when the valves are being operated. It would help to convince us skeptics.
 
                                                                                 Jim

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #89 on: May 25, 2012, 04:14:10 PM »
 A quick couple of notes:
The system you see is three complete and separate systems:
(1)The ZED operates with four valves - it is quite simple.
(2)The hoses and wires are for measuring pressures and collecting Data.
(3)The rest of the valves are for an "initialization" process - When we were reviewed - I was required to
to completely empty the system of all air (pressure) water, and hydraulic fluid (pressure)
and then re- set the system up from scratch - this was expected - but a pain in the tail.

So my team designed an automated process - to both empty the system and then refill it, and then one button turns the whole thing on. and after Initialization - it is physically disconnected from the source.

Now a key point - initialization only happens once, it is just to show the skeptic. The system can be stopped and restarted as many times as desired - with no additional inputs.

Other than pushing the start button LOL -

This ZED is a three layer system- and we monitor two aspects of each layer and track the data - it produces a pretty clear picture of what is going on inside.

We are further along in our research than anyone on this forum understands yet.
 
OPEN SOURCE comments:
I do have a reason for posting here - and not disclosing:
 
Yes we have all labored hard - and we do expect to fund our business, and if the Beta process is not funded - no one will work on a project that will be legally taken from them.

To be clear Our hearts are as like those who want open sourcing - with many of the frontiers this process has revealed - we are in a unique position to effect the world.

Our License agreement is nearly an open source, it definitely meets the intention of open sourcing - getting the power out to the people - eliminated emissions and bringing energy independence.

It empowers those who have prepared, and have the desire and ability to make this happen in short fashion.

While many people have been arguing, other have been setting up meetings, for such an end.

A NEW FRONTIER:
We will not go by the waist side, we will never surrender, never give up.

Do not think for one moment that this has been an easy journey - but certainly an adventure!

I promise, you who wish open sourcing will not be disappointed.

My apologie to Jim for the Troll comment.

We are in this together, and some questions will not be answered except to those that need to know.

Wayne Travis 

 

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