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Author Topic: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.  (Read 864416 times)

Offline johnny874

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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2012, 08:29:44 PM »
MrWayne: I have a few questions. First, is there a video of your device in operation for a reasonable amount of time, powered or unpowered?

Next, some particulars:

Does your device require an external source of power? For example, do you need to run a compressor to store some compressed air, are there water pumps running, is there a big battery or a mains connection?

For how long does it "run" when it is not attached to an external power supply, including a tank of compressed air?

When it stops, why (or how) does it stop? Is a reservoir depleted, has the friction become too great, or like that. Or does it simply keep on running when it's disconnected from its power source? If the latter, PM me and I will start piling money into the armored car to bring to you.

These are questions concerning the current operation of a real device, not the theoretical predictions of how it will perform once you've got the kinks worked out. Do you have a "self runner" now, that requires no continuing source of external power, yet it continues to operate, producing useful work?



Now I also have some "theoretical" type questions about the demonstration of the cups in the aquarium and the operation of the system.

You do realise that whenever you do the work to submerge a volume of air, you also are _lifting_ an equal quantity of water an equivalent height, right? In fact it is raising this water that causes the "repulsion" you feel when you are pushing the air-filled cup down in the water: you are lifting a cup "full of water" to the top of the aquarium.

Now, imagine a spherical glass ball with a large hole in the bottom, like your cup but only spherical. Fill it with water and submerge, placing the weight on top. Now bubble air into it from underneath until it is neutrally buoyant. You now have "lift" that is equal to the weight. Right?
What happened to the water you displaced with your bubbles? If you carefully note the water level of the external container, you will find that it has risen, from its low point when the sphere was full of water, to a higher point now that the sphere is full of the air you pumped into it. In other words, when you pumped the air into your chamber, you pumped an equal quantity of water OUT, all the way up to the top of the external container. This represents stored energy. It is in the water that you lifted, NOT so much in the air.
Now.... introduce a balloon into your neutrally buoyant sphere of air. Start pumping WATER into the balloon, displacing the air in the sphere. Does the sphere become more buoyant during this process? What happens to the water level in the external container when you do this?
Or.... don't use an inner balloon or a pump at all, just make a little leak in the top of the sphere. As the air runs out and water runs in....  does the sphere become more buoyant during the process? What happens to the water level in the external container when you do this?

Thanks in advance--
--TK

(Yes, that's right, the disinformation campaign that has been trying to keep me distracted and confined to a single thread is breaking down and I am escaping once in a while to check activity in the "real world" of PM motors, buoyancy drives, gravity wheels and functionless electronic circuits.)

>>  You do realise that whenever you do the work to submerge a volume of air, you also are _lifting_ an equal quantity of water an equivalent height, right?  <<
 This is wrong. He is displacing an equivalent amount of water. Height is relative to the surface area which helps to determine the volume in the tank.
 An example is if there are 2 tanks and one has the surface area of 1 square foot and the other 10 square feet, the tank with 10 square feet of surface area would have it's water level lifted 1/10th that of the tank with 1 square foot of surface area.
 Also, the surface area of the tank, is it more or less than the surface area of air in the cup ? This would give a ratio as to any rise in height of the water in the tank being displaced.
 
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p.s. In theory, what Wayne has proposed is theorhetically possible. I would think though that using purely mechanical means to demonstrate the system is 100% isolated would be helpful.

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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2012, 08:41:22 PM »
Wayne just emailed me about the sound his machine did in the video:

Stefan,
 
 My only problem with that video - we had dry bushings on the new cylinders -
 that one is embarrassing to me.

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Well I told him, it is better to hear the machine in operatiom than to mute the sound...

With oil or graphite in the bushings this moining sound would probably be gone.

Anyway, I hope he will answer a few questions about the total input and output power.


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2012, 08:42:17 PM »
A video will not show anything but the external functions. Inside the ZED the Travis effect is used to act as a pressure increaser - not in the simple form shown in Tom's demo -instead we have a much inhanced version.
We were in the middle of a DOE when we filmed this video, so I am a bit emberrassed that it is being shown.
The "Travis Effect" is what made it possible.
Yes, we do maintain all pressures, and build excess pressure - no external inputs, and no emmissions.
I know this is an Open source site, I am not open sourceing, I am keeping a promise to Stefan 9allowing his group to see our O/U machine.
Those parties who wish to get involved can contact Mark Dansie, or myself in regards to joining our team.
With proper NDA, and constructive valid intentions, we will disclose to process.
Otherwise I have to protect our current interests and so I can not disclose our process completly to this or any other site.
Please do not ask, and do not profane me for being professional.
Each Engineer that has reviewed our process states that we are ten years ahead of the competition, I would like to keep it that way for a while.
Wayne
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2012, 08:42:17 PM »
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2012, 08:55:08 PM »
Well, you are right. Maybe they are pulling my chain.
But they put their money where their mouth is..... and they are extremely respected individuals in the technology field.
Another point - who is my comptetion in the free energy field - do you have one currently being Alpha tested..... makes a difference.
Now that you make the point - it is kind of a silly statement, unless you realize they just confirmed/with their "credentials on the line" to their peers that we have a fully functional O/U device.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2012, 09:05:21 PM »
Stefan asked me about input and output,
Now this will make sense to all of you, no input.....
Back in May/June of last when Mark flew over the first time, we had a demo model which had the sole purpose of testing the input and the out put.
By that standard we were good then, but the barr was raised - as I see very often - If it is really exceeding the input - then it should be able to run itself - and then some.
So from June till November we installed HMI and controls to enable a self running system - it was crude and I can share the video of that model running out side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-0TITC4Wrc
This was a competly self runner - the video man is Mark Dansie.
Then the bar was raised again - clean it up, secure it, and add data collection - we finished this week.
Wayne
 
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
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Offline mrwayne

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2012, 09:14:41 PM »
"Well i don't care about  their "credentials or what they say or confirm, untill i see it with my own eye's, and since you are not into sharing the principles it's not worth my time and money to get involved.
Like you said a video proves nothing."
Nobody is asking you to believe, and we are keeping a promise here to Stefan, not trying to convince you.
We are not the tooth fairy - do your due dillgense, ignore, or watch from a distance. But slander what you do not know or can not find out from your comfort zone is poor manners, and is illogical.
Good day.
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2012, 09:53:04 PM »
 My Desire, and my companies vision, is to bring Energy Independence, through our clean technology to those that are wise enough to seek it.
It has not changed since the first discovery, nor through the many hard trails and discoveries that came along the way.
Please do not compare us to those that did not invite - openly - the pure peer review of skepticism.
We were vetted - before we allowed others to help.
I am sorry for the example that others set: And I would warn to be even more cautious in coming months - Our discovery was fraught with obstacles to overcome - and our own engineer argued feverishly over ever solution I invented - until he saw it work.
If someone thinks they have free energy and tries to ride on our success - Make sure they are vetted.
We have proven that O/U can be mechanically accomplished  - that should open minds once again - but not at the expense of proper and due diligence.
 (not to you - I understand, but to those involved)
Peace and blesssings
 
Wayne
 
 
 
« Last Edit: May 23, 2012, 11:03:34 PM by mrwayne »

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2012, 11:02:11 PM »
Yes Wayne, would be interesting to know if the shown ZED device in the posted video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSy_33t86gc

is still having external valves control via external batteries or grid power and
what is the total input energy this way and what is the total output energy.

Many thanks.

Regards. Stefan.

P.S: I have merged the 2 threads about it now into this one.

From Wayne
No, neither of the systems are connected to an external source - the system does have a small battery to run the computer and valves, the internal battery is recharged by the generator and also runs a load.

Many Question keep returning to a gride connected system - those are not closed looped.

ZED is a Close looped system - no externals - with excess production.
That model is only Demo, meant only for testing - not engineered for longevity.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2012, 01:15:41 AM »
Hi mrwayne,

Very nice work here from what i have observed in your video explanation i can already see theoretically 3 mechanical ways to exploit this effect to build selfrunners in a small scale and maybe more efficiently (water pomp, water turbine , and depression turbine in the last case no water involved) . I am sure many other engineers out there will come up with many other ways to use it. So what i suggest you is to open source your project allow replication and spreading and benefit from your platform  you can still make as much money or even more with this project open sourced by building a strong community around you then a patent license because people will easily exploit this effect anyway just follow the examples of the computer industry you will succeed. someone says here an effect can't be patented and he is right .In your case the great achievement seems to be the discovery not the invention.


tnx Sid

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2012, 03:15:06 AM »
Wayne:

Quote
"The glass that has the small amount of air in it provides the large repulsive force as long as it does not move upwards.  The moment it starts to move upwards the repulsive  force starts to decrease rapidly.  After the glass has moved upwards about one centimeter, then the "extra" repulsive force is all gone."
You are right, very wise, My invention solved this, as well as a few you have not yet commented on

How did you solve it?

Please don't be offended but I can tell you what the pattern is.  You will not reveal how the system allegedly works and before too long we will never hear from you again.  Eventually your web site will disappear.

James Kwok and his alleged "Hidro" system and I think there was a guy Simon Wu that was convinced that he invented "pendulum power."  They are both out of the picture now, presumably because nothing ever worked.

If you want to be real you have to provide credible evidence that you have something.

MileHigh

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2012, 03:15:28 AM »
I note the presence of the one item that no free energy overunity machine seems to be without: a battery.
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2012, 03:18:43 AM »
Wayne:

How did you solve it?

Please don't be offended but I can tell you what the pattern is.  You will not reveal how the system allegedly works and before too long we will never hear from you again.  Eventually your web site will disappear.

James Kwok and his alleged "Hidro" system and I think there was a guy Simon Wu that was convinced that he invented "pendulum power."  They are both out of the picture now, presumably because nothing ever worked.

If you want to be real you have to provide credible evidence that you have something.

MileHigh
I note the presence of the one item that no free energy overunity machine seems to be without: a battery.
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and cue the trolls...

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2012, 03:32:34 AM »
the Travis effect is = expand air on a larger surface you create a depression and increase buoyancy physic 101.
just like a hot air balloon. many other people have used this principle for their devices some of them are even discussed here on this forum sadly there is more theory here than experiment .to build a device all you have to do is to displace the air from a low surface area to a bigger surface area vice versa the increased  buoyancy will provide the required energy to displace . the energy is in the air it self .

Good day.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2012, 05:26:21 AM »
Wow,
My system does have a small 12v battery, to run the HMI, that runs the valves and track the data.

Something most people realize - that we are running a hydraulic motor - Self powered, a Generator - self powered, - a dual pumping system with a surface area of 525 inches - self powered, a HMI with to valves 25 sensors and self powered - hydraulics self powered, and burning two light bulbs self powered .....while creating a force of 5500 pounds and capturing it - self powered.....

And someone takes the time to complain of a batterythat can not possible do all of that.....you have witnessed an impossible machine.

When I was young an old man told me the boat left shore and both the people on the boat and the shore thought the other was shrinking.

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2012, 05:28:23 AM »
the Travis effect is = expand air on a larger surface you create a depression and increase buoyancy physic 101.
just like a hot air balloon. many other people have used this principle for their devices some of them are even discussed here on this forum sadly there is more theory here than experiment .to build a device all you have to do is to displace the air from a low surface area to a bigger surface area vice versa the increased  buoyancy will provide the required energy to displace . the energy is in the air it self .

Good day.

Thanks for the comment.
Wayne

 

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