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Author Topic: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.  (Read 864262 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2011, 02:16:33 AM »
Wayne
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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2011, 11:38:50 AM »
Wayne says: "I can not imagine that this forum was created, and joined by a group of people to watch, proclaim, and ensure that others fail."

Wayne says: "but to share the joy of my hard research"

Wayne says: "one day someone will succeed, - but how much wiser it would have been to help those willing to try, rather than dash dreams."

The only thing I say (over and over again): As a mentally sane person one can not believe in something that is not disclosed in every detail.

Since you do not want to disclose every detail, what is there to discuss besides "philosophy", "insinuations" or "metaphors"?

I do not want you to fail, in the contrary, I tell you what is possible and what is not possible (so that you can succeed):

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It is not possible to make people believe in something they can not understand and check in every detail.

It might be possible to convince someone to give you money (but this most probably needs keeping the secret).
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In order to make people believe in the unknowable (in a secret that is not disclosed), founding a religion is much better.

I do not want to interfere in this thread, because some might enjoy to talk "philosophy", "possibilities" and "I tell you it works". Therefore, over and out!

Conrad
« Last Edit: April 14, 2011, 02:52:26 PM by conradelektro »

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Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2012, 06:06:52 AM »
Links and text from Stefan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkxrLzcp0Z8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JUj42h6j7Y

<<<
Z.E.D. Zydro Energy Device.principle video 1

This is the principle used by the Wayne Travis ZED device built at:
http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/

As you can see it needs less air to be pumped under the plastic-bucket
and has  the same lift energy capability and thus you get an energy gain, as you don´t need
much pump energy to bring the air down there...

THE ZED device uses this principle to self-run self-looped.

Well done Wayne and team !

Regards, Stefan
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Wayne Travis seems like a really nice guy but he should be investing his time and effort somewhere else because his theory is not correct from what I can see!  Others may disagree with me.

Perhaps someone can explain where the mistake is and then pass the explanation back to him.  I would hate to see him spend serious money on this project!

MileHigh

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Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2012, 06:06:52 AM »
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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2012, 06:18:01 AM »
Links and text from Stefan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkxrLzcp0Z8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JUj42h6j7Y

<<<
Z.E.D. Zydro Energy Device.principle video 1

This is the principle used by the Wayne Travis ZED device built at:
http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/

As you can see it needs less air to be pumped under the plastic-bucket
and has  the same lift energy capability and thus you get an energy gain, as you don´t need
much pump energy to bring the air down there...

THE ZED device uses this principle to self-run self-looped.

Well done Wayne and team !

Regards, Stefan
>>>

Wayne Travis seems like a really nice guy but he should be investing his time and effort somewhere else because his theory is not correct from what I can see!  Others may disagree with me.

Perhaps someone can explain where the mistake is and then pass the explanation back to him.  I would hate to see him spend serious money on this project!

MileHigh

why can't you explain and pass it on to us.
Also it looks like they already have a working machine.
He needs to Open Source his machine.

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2012, 12:21:06 PM »
I posted with permission from Wayne the 2 principle videos to my youtube account at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkxrLzcp0Z8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JUj42h6j7Y

Also the hard skeptic Mark Dansie says that this device works.



 The main effect is that only the height of the air in the plastic cup counts !
Not the volume ! So you only need to pump a very low amount of air under the plastic cups
which needs very low amount of energy. Then you can gain the massive lift energy by buoyancy which is much more than the used pump energy to get the air inside the platic cup.!
So you have a big energy gain there !
Hope this helps...
Also have a look at their website for more informations.

 

http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2012, 02:26:17 PM »
Thank you for your concern.
We completed the closed looped system in November last year.
We just finished our Data collection/Alpha Model.
It was the best use of our money ;-)
Buoyancy is caused by pressure diffirentials x surface area - not by volume
Archimede's describes the "least amount of lift from a volume of air" much overlooked, which is what the "Travis Effect" demonstrates.
Wayne

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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2012, 03:10:31 PM »
Either I am thick, or I am missing something here. There are two inverted vessels in a tank of water. Both contain air, one is about three quarters full of air, the other contains only about one twentieth as much air . Both are prevented from floating to the surface by a two pound weight. You could have a third vessel with no air in it at all, that is,full of water. It too could be held in position by a two pound weight. What would that prove?
        Please will someone help me to understand what is being claimed here.

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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2012, 03:47:35 PM »
Not thick, just missed the key point.
Look closely at the begining of Tom's second Video, be careful to notice the Repulsive force he describes.
That force is proportional to the total lift in the container with 24 oz of air.
In your example 'the weight on a cup filled with only water' does not have the repulsion.
 

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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2012, 04:30:42 PM »
Wayne:

The problem with your system is that the repulsive (or buoyancy) force in the inverted glass with the very small amount of air in it is not the same as the repulsive force in the glass that is filled with air.

The glass that is filled with air provides this repulsive force for the full travel of the glass from the bottom of the aquarium to the top of the aquarium.

The glass that has the small amount of air in it provides the large repulsive force as long as it does not move upwards.  The moment it starts to move upwards the repulsive  force starts to decrease rapidly.  After the glass has moved upwards about one centimeter, then the "extra" repulsive force is all gone.

So the glass with the small about of air in it can only do a small fraction of the buoyancy-related work (upwards force x displacement) as compared to the glass that is filled with air.

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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2012, 04:43:31 PM »
Wayne:

The problem with your system is that the repulsive (or buoyancy) force in the inverted glass with the very small amount of air in it is not the same as the repulsive force in the glass that is filled with air.

The glass that is filled with air provides this repulsive force for the full travel of the glass from the bottom of the aquarium to the top of the aquarium.

The glass that has the small amount of air in it provides the large repulsive force as long as it does not move upwards.  The moment it starts to move upwards the repulsive  force starts to decrease rapidly.  After the glass has moved upwards about one centimeter, then the "extra" repulsive force is all gone.

So the glass with the small about of air in it can only do a small fraction of the buoyancy-related work (upwards force x displacement) as compared to the glass that is filled with air.

MileHigh

  MileHigh,
 Am willing to bet you that if a colored liquid were poured into the bottom of his containers that it would show there is a depression around them. This depression would ensure that the there is a flat bottom for them to stand on. You know, other wise they might tip over if filled with your favorite refreshment. You can tell this by the curvature at the bottom.
 But pushing air downwards is not trick. While he mentions ounces, it would actually be if he were using a liquid of that volume.
""many air-density tables state the density of dry air to be 1.25 kg/m3. That's equal to 0.000 722 546 ounce/cubic inch.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_volume_of_air_that_weighs_one_ounce#ixzz1vhiYNqNh

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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2012, 04:47:47 PM »
"The glass that has the small amount of air in it provides the large repulsive force as long as it does not move upwards.  The moment it starts to move upwards the repulsive  force starts to decrease rapidly.  After the glass has moved upwards about one centimeter, then the "extra" repulsive force is all gone."
You are right, very wise, My invention solved this, as well as a few you have not yet commented on  ;)

Wayne

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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2012, 05:51:58 PM »
"The glass that has the small amount of air in it provides the large repulsive force as long as it does not move upwards.  The moment it starts to move upwards the repulsive  force starts to decrease rapidly.  After the glass has moved upwards about one centimeter, then the "extra" repulsive force is all gone."
You are right, very wise, My invention solved this, as well as a few you have not yet commented on  ;)

Wayne

  Correct me if I'm wrong but you're relying on hydraulic theory. ie., if a tube has a surface area of 10^2" and has 10 lbs. of force applied to it, then it has a lift potential of 1lb. per ^2 inch. And if the surface area is reduced to 5^2", then it has the potential of 2lb. per ^2 inch, right ?
 With your demo, once lift has started, the surface area changes because the insert does not rise with the vessel being lifted.
It's funny though. With what I am working on, I can pump 2 lbs. of water over 20" high with a 1 lb. weight dropping 4 inches.
 Still, I am after a working device (Bessler's Wheel) and not merely a demonstration of known theory. After all, hyraulics is used in many fields to multiply force well above what most people would think is achieveable. Even pneumatics is used which is merely air or an inert gas replacing a liquid which is not compressible.
 @All, a pic of how containers are designed for mass production to ensure they are stable.
 
edited to add; almost missed it myself, oops  :o 
 Since the air is being compressed by the water in the tank, by decreasing the surface area of the water acting on it, it decreases on a proportionate scale the work it can do.
 This simply means the insert reduces the work the compressed air can do so it has no advantage over not using the insert. Why it can't possibly work.

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Re: Hydro Diffirential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2012, 06:03:33 PM »
Here is now the video of the Wayne Travis ZED device in action:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSy_33t86gc


It was first shown in the last Smartscarecrow show last Thursday night.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Travis Effect Videos - Alleged over unity buoyancy effect
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2012, 06:24:43 PM »
MrWayne: I have a few questions. First, is there a video of your device in operation for a reasonable amount of time, powered or unpowered?

Next, some particulars:

Does your device require an external source of power? For example, do you need to run a compressor to store some compressed air, are there water pumps running, is there a big battery or a mains connection?

For how long does it "run" when it is not attached to an external power supply, including a tank of compressed air?

When it stops, why (or how) does it stop? Is a reservoir depleted, has the friction become too great, or like that. Or does it simply keep on running when it's disconnected from its power source? If the latter, PM me and I will start piling money into the armored car to bring to you.

These are questions concerning the current operation of a real device, not the theoretical predictions of how it will perform once you've got the kinks worked out. Do you have a "self runner" now, that requires no continuing source of external power, yet it continues to operate, producing useful work?



Now I also have some "theoretical" type questions about the demonstration of the cups in the aquarium and the operation of the system.

You do realise that whenever you do the work to submerge a volume of air, you also are _lifting_ an equal quantity of water an equivalent height, right? In fact it is raising this water that causes the "repulsion" you feel when you are pushing the air-filled cup down in the water: you are lifting a cup "full of water" to the top of the aquarium.

Now, imagine a spherical glass ball with a large hole in the bottom, like your cup but only spherical. Fill it with water and submerge, placing the weight on top. Now bubble air into it from underneath until it is neutrally buoyant. You now have "lift" that is equal to the weight. Right?
What happened to the water you displaced with your bubbles? If you carefully note the water level of the external container, you will find that it has risen, from its low point when the sphere was full of water, to a higher point now that the sphere is full of the air you pumped into it. In other words, when you pumped the air into your chamber, you pumped an equal quantity of water OUT, all the way up to the top of the external container. This represents stored energy. It is in the water that you lifted, NOT so much in the air.
Now.... introduce a balloon into your neutrally buoyant sphere of air. Start pumping WATER into the balloon, displacing the air in the sphere. Does the sphere become more buoyant during this process? What happens to the water level in the external container when you do this?
Or.... don't use an inner balloon or a pump at all, just make a little leak in the top of the sphere. As the air runs out and water runs in....  does the sphere become more buoyant during the process? What happens to the water level in the external container when you do this?

Thanks in advance--
--TK

(Yes, that's right, the disinformation campaign that has been trying to keep me distracted and confined to a single thread is breaking down and I am escaping once in a while to check activity in the "real world" of PM motors, buoyancy drives, gravity wheels and functionless electronic circuits.)

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Re: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2012, 08:23:16 PM »
Yes Wayne, would be interesting to know if the shown ZED device in the posted video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSy_33t86gc

is still having external valves control via external batteries or grid power and
what is the total input energy this way and what is the total output energy.

Many thanks.

Regards. Stefan.

P.S: I have merged the 2 threads about it now into this one.


 

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