Author Topic: Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system. (Read 1295908 times)

mrwayne · « **Reply #2985 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:17:26 PM »

Quote from: minnie on November 27, 2012, 10:19:40 AM

Hi,
this thing is really doing my head in. I thought it looked promising as I would like something, cutting edge, to invest in.
Solar pv. is so volatile, government policies, rapidly evolving technology and manufacturing costs all being so unpredictable.
Wind would be viable if you could store economically, but as of now you can't.
I was intrigued with Fletcher's device, but if it worked the scale would have to be absolutely huge because the acceleration
would be so poor that you wouldn't get much power out.
"Capture gravity"? well say you put the whole device on scales, isn't that going to be it's total gravitational potential?
In this country we're absolutely flooded out at the moment, we've had an exceptionally wet summer and I'm scared about
this winter. Feed costs are at a record high and quality is really low, we have got some lovely autumn grazing but the animals
are trashing it because it's half under water.
Surely there's someone out there who can put me right on what is going on inside this device?
John.

Hello Again John,
I hope you downloaded the Power point I posted a couple days ago - it steps you through the design that utilizes gravity without mass - weight (or total weight - it is not weightless).
Here is the link again.
https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D8689161_65379893_837552
As Michel Would say - you have to "open your mind" to understand - not to confirm what you think you know. This is not an insult at all - just the fact that the ZED is a Riddle to some.
Thanks
Wayne

Red_Sunset · « **Reply #2986 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:50:26 PM »

Quote from: webby1 on November 27, 2012, 02:26:57 PM

I swing by this forum without logging in and since the service provider has changed I will see one set of post numbers and page counts then when I log in to respond they change, no missing posts that I can tell just the numbers and pages.

Webby,
The posts are numbered starting from "reply #1", the first reply post after the opening statement from the topic owner.
These number can technically not change their quantity from one day tot he other apart from increasing with new posts.
Reducing count could indicate posts skipped, but is also illogical.
Maybe all this unhappiness or the men in red, are hacking this tread.

mrwayne · « **Reply #2987 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:47:15 PM »

Quote from: Red_Sunset on November 27, 2012, 02:50:26 PM

Webby,
The posts are numbered starting from "reply #1", the first reply post after the opening statement from the topic owner.
These number can technically not change their quantity from one day tot he other apart from increasing with new posts.
Reducing count could indicate posts skipped, but is also illogical.
Maybe all this unhappiness or the men in red, are hacking this tread.

I can not explain why the numbers changed - but the cause was moderation.
A now "Ex member" with three logins has been deleted along with that persons posts.
That dropped this threads page count by ten pages - or 150 posts.
Our goal and sharing has not been effected by the deletion - no relevant data - either direction - has been lost.
Wayne

mondrasek · « **Reply #2988 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:53:22 PM »

I notice that the addware posts are not affecting the post count recently. But was this always the case? Could there have been a problem at one time that has now been corrected and thus altered the post count? Just an idea.

M.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #2989 on:** November 27, 2012, 04:18:19 PM »

Quote from: mrwayne on November 27, 2012, 03:47:15 PM

I can not explain why the numbers changed - but the cause was moderation.
A now "Ex member" with three logins has been deleted along with that persons posts.
That dropped this threads page count by ten pages - or 150 posts.
Our goal and sharing has not been effected by the deletion - no relevant data - either direction - has been lost.
Wayne

According to YOU.

If "no relevant data" has been lost, then WHY DELETE THE POSTS? Saving space? Give me a break.

IT IS THIS STRATEGY THAT I OBJECT TO THE VERY MOST.

Whoever deleted those posts is attempting to change history, and it is a game that I will not play.

That is why I capture screenshots and that is why FROM NOW ON, I am archiving this thread (and some others) daily .

Perhaps the posts that were deleted were libels against me. Perhaps they contained some revelation that Mister Wayne did not want discussed. Perhaps.... perhaps...... But now nobody knows, except the author and whoever deleted the posts.
THIS IS NOT RIGHT. A few weeks ago, this site's policy re editing posts changed. Until this change, one could go back and edit one's own posts at any time. Now it appears that one is only allowed one day to make edits. That is a good thing. But for moderators to return weeks and months after the fact and remove posts in the thread..... that is just wrong, an attempt to change the historical record.

If someone needed to be banned, well and good, I agree that there can be sound reasons to do that. But IT IS WRONG to remove their posts, nevertheless, unless there is some strong legal reason for doing so. If the latter is the case, there had still better be some record preserved in case of legal action. Destruction of evidence IS ITSELF A CRIME.

Once again..... the deletion of posts in a thread, whether because someone has been banned or for other reasons.... is a strategy typical of Energetic Forum (Panacea U, Ashtweth and Aaron and them) and others of that ilk. It has happened here before.... many posts were deleted from threads concerning the debunking of Mylow, for example, by the moderator at that time.

Down the Memory Hole it goes. Mister Wayne, if you had anything at all to do with the removal of ANY posts from this historical --and legal--- document..... Shame on You.... but it is totally par for the course you are playing.

mrwayne · « **Reply #2990 on:** November 27, 2012, 04:28:27 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 27, 2012, 04:18:19 PM

According to YOU.

If "no relevant data" has been lost, then WHY DELETE THE POSTS? Saving space? Give me a break.

IT IS THIS STRATEGY THAT I OBJECT TO THE VERY MOST.

Whoever deleted those posts is attempting to change history, and it is a game that I will not play.

That is why I capture screenshots and that is why FROM NOW ON, I am archiving this thread (and some others) daily .

Perhaps the posts that were deleted were libels against me. Perhaps they contained some revelation that Mister Wayne did not want discussed. Perhaps.... perhaps...... But now nobody knows, except the author and whoever deleted the posts.
THIS IS NOT RIGHT. A few weeks ago, this site's policy re editing posts changed. Until this change, one could go back and edit one's own posts at any time. Now it appears that one is only allowed one day to make edits. That is a good thing. But for moderators to return weeks and months after the fact and remove posts in the thread..... that is just wrong, an attempt to change the historical record.

If someone needed to be banned, well and good, I agree that there can be sound reasons to do that. But IT IS WRONG to remove their posts, nevertheless, unless there is some strong legal reason for doing so. If the latter is the case, there had still better be some record preserved in case of legal action. Destruction of evidence IS ITSELF A CRIME.

Once again..... the deletion of posts in a thread, whether because someone has been banned or for other reasons.... is a strategy typical of Energetic Forum (Panacea U, Ashtweth and Aaron and them) and others of that ilk. It has happened here before.... many posts were deleted from threads concerning the debunking of Mylow, for example, by the moderator at that time.

Down the Memory Hole it goes. Mister Wayne, if you had anything at all to do with the removal of ANY posts from this historical --and legal--- document..... Shame on You.... but it is totally par for the course you are playing.

Hello TK,
Have you analyzed LarryC's spread sheets yet?
John is asking the right Question.
You could be the one to provide him the answers.
If you unlock his question - you will explain how we use gravity as non conservative field.
Thanks Wayne

minnie · « **Reply #2991 on:** November 27, 2012, 04:48:05 PM »

Hi,
what we need is inventors, scientists, engineers, investors and consumers.What we need is meaningful discussion and facts.
We need discussion not arguments. I'm old now and I can see how we've ravaged resources in my short lifetime.
We need your technology out there mrwayne, not fracking, not fission, we need something clean and we need it quick!
I thought Mr. Rossi was on to something, but all that seems to happen there is that it just festers.
Come on mrwayne
John.

TinselKoala · « **Reply #2992 on:** November 27, 2012, 05:41:18 PM »

Quote from: mrwayne on November 27, 2012, 04:28:27 PM

Hello TK,
Have you analyzed LarryC's spread sheets yet?
John is asking the right Question.
You could be the one to provide him the answers.
If you unlock his question - you will explain how we use gravity as non conservative field.
Thanks Wayne

Hello Wayne

Have you analyzed John's question yet? He is asking the right questions but you are NOT providing him with the right answers.
Where does the mechanical power come from to run your ordinary hydraulic motor to turn a generator at 30 horsepower for a 20 kW output? No matter where it comes from, that will require a flow of 25-30 gallons per minute of hydraulic fluid at 2500-3000 psi. Where, in your HDPE system fitting inside the footprint of a toolshed, can this flow rate and pressure be found? It doesn't matter how you make it.... it must be made, to run the motor turning the generator. I see no way around this point. Even Webby's Force Rectifier will need to make that horsepower at the generator shaft, and that means the kinds of weights moving around at the kinds of speeds that John has pointed out. Where does it come from in your system? There is simply not room for it, no matter whether you are capturing gravity or using your own hot air.... or even the utility mains supply as you are now.

YOU could be the one to provide us all with the answers...... if you only had them yourself. It really sounds like you are trying the same thing that Steorn, Archer Quinn, and others have done: you want "us" to develop your system for you by finding out the "answers" and giving them to YOU.

If you _really_ unlock John's question and see the implications of it, you would realise that there is a valid point that needs to be addressed: where does the necessary hydraulic pressure and flow rate come from? Where does the mechanical torque come from? There is nothing in the systems that have been spreadsheeted, built in backyard gardens or tabletops, or simulated in animations that can either produce the heavily unbalanced rocking that Webby's rectifier needs, or the flow rate and pressure that a standard hydraulic pump/motor needs.

It is entirely up to YOU to explain how you break the laws of physics by "using gravity as a non-conservative field".... because everyone else who has tried to do so has proven to be a crackpot, and if you can't distinguish yourself from those others, why should I... or anyone else.... do your work for you?

mrwayne · « **Reply #2993 on:** November 27, 2012, 06:00:01 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 27, 2012, 05:41:18 PM

Hello Wayne

Have you analyzed John's question yet? He is asking the right questions but you are NOT providing him with the right answers.
Where does the mechanical power come from to run your ordinary hydraulic motor to turn a generator at 30 horsepower for a 20 kW output? No matter where it comes from, that will require a flow of 25-30 gallons per minute of hydraulic fluid at 2500-3000 psi. Where, in your HDPE system fitting inside the footprint of a toolshed, can this flow rate and pressure be found? It doesn't matter how you make it.... it must be made, to run the motor turning the generator. I see no way around this point. Even Webby's Force Rectifier will need to make that horsepower at the generator shaft, and that means the kinds of weights moving around at the kinds of speeds that John has pointed out. Where does it come from in your system? There is simply not room for it, no matter whether you are capturing gravity or using your own hot air.... or even the utility mains supply as you are now.

YOU could be the one to provide us all with the answers...... if you only had them yourself. It really sounds like you are trying the same thing that Steorn, Archer Quinn, and others have done: you want "us" to develop your system for you by finding out the "answers" and giving them to YOU.

If you _really_ unlock John's question and see the implications of it, you would realise that there is a valid point that needs to be addressed: where does the necessary hydraulic pressure and flow rate come from? Where does the mechanical torque come from? There is nothing in the systems that have been spreadsheeted, built in backyard gardens or tabletops, or simulated in animations that can either produce the heavily unbalanced rocking that Webby's rectifier needs, or the flow rate and pressure that a standard hydraulic pump/motor needs.

It is entirely up to YOU to explain how you break the laws of physics by "using gravity as a non-conservative field".... because everyone else who has tried to do so has proven to be a crackpot, and if you can't distinguish yourself from those others, why should I... or anyone else.... do your work for you?

Alright.
I presume that you will not be helping.
Wayne

Red_Sunset · « **Reply #2994 on:** November 27, 2012, 06:16:48 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 27, 2012, 05:41:18 PM

Hello Wayne
Have you analyzed John's question yet? He is asking the right questions but you are NOT providing him with the right answers.
Where does the mechanical power come from to run your ordinary hydraulic motor to turn a generator at 30 horsepower for a 20 kW output? No matter where it comes from, that will require a flow of 25-30 gallons per minute of hydraulic fluid at 2500-3000 psi. Where, in your HDPE system fitting inside the footprint of a toolshed, ................................................................

Hi TinselKoala,
Let me drop my few cents here, you are going around in circles. I also promised myself to stay away from this site but there is an addictive flavor here in line with a soap opera, which make it as difficult as giving up cigarettes.

Wayne has addressed this hydro capacity and size issue several times before, but it doesn't seem to register and nobody looks back to previous postings.
The Zed concept is a layered device, that re-uses gravity, not unlike the empire state building, gravity on the 1ste floor is the same as on the 90th or 120th floor. This was shown also clearly during the collapse of the WTC buildings, gravity had a full hold on all floors of that building. it was not a case that the first 50 floor had used up all gravity and there was no more gravity left for the remaining floors above. Gravity for each floor is additive for the buildings footprint. Same for the Zed.
The zed layering re-uses virtual mass in the process, since all layers are physically overlaid with the gravity force that acts on the layers.
What more can I say to get the point across. I think Fletcher might need your help also on a few details.

minnie · « **Reply #2995 on:** November 27, 2012, 06:56:12 PM »

Hi,
yeah I agree, the power of Fletcher's wheel would be limited by the acceleration acceleration of gravity. You'd need a big
wheel because power is the rate of doing work, think of getting up any speed as in a gas motor and you'd leave your weight
behind.
I think the multi storey building is a Tinsel "teaser"!
John.

Red_Sunset · « **Reply #2996 on:** November 27, 2012, 07:36:51 PM »

Quote from: minnie on November 27, 2012, 06:56:12 PM

Hi,
yeah I agree, the power of Fletcher's wheel would be limited by the acceleration acceleration of gravity. You'd need a big
wheel because power is the rate of doing work, think of getting up any speed as in a gas motor and you'd leave your weight
behind.
I think the multi storey building is a Tinsel "teaser"!
John.

John,
Acceleration is not under consideration and neither is there a teaser. I am dead serious !

rubicon · « **Reply #2997 on:** November 27, 2012, 09:11:20 PM »

Quote from: mrwayne on November 27, 2012, 03:47:15 PM

I can not explain why the numbers changed - but the cause was moderation.
A now "Ex member" with three logins has been deleted along with that persons posts.
That dropped this threads page count by ten pages - or 150 posts.
Our goal and sharing has not been effected by the deletion - no relevant data - either direction - has been lost.
Wayne

That would be in your own rather skewed opinion Mr Wayne. As it happens those posts contained many pertinent observations and questions about this device that you continue to avoid answering.

It is outrageous that in a supposedly free public forum such as this that people who dare to point out fact that it is highly likely you are perpetrating a fraud on the public would have those post removed by some collusion of yourself and the site moderators, who by their actions also become complicit in that fraud.

GreenHiker · « **Reply #2998 on:** November 27, 2012, 10:23:05 PM »

Quote from: rubicon on November 27, 2012, 09:11:20 PM

...those posts contained many pertinent observations and questions about this device that you continue to avoid answering.

As has been discussed months ago, Larry explained an easy way to search and archive this thread. I'm sure that since you feel so strongly about the content here, you have followed others' advice and made a back up copy for yourself. But wait, your ID was only created in the last couple of days so I'm sure you know nothing about that.

Hmmmm. Dogma Troll deleted, new Dogma Troll spawned. Again.

Quote from: rubicon on November 27, 2012, 09:11:20 PM

It is outrageous that in a supposedly free public forum such as this that people who dare to point out fact that it is highly likely you are perpetrating a fraud on the public would have those post removed by some collusion of yourself and the site moderators, who by their actions also become complicit in that fraud.

Now you are threatening the site owner with fraud accusations?
I'm sure that Stefan will be as kind to your new ID, as he was to your old ones.

Tom

Gwandau · « **Reply #2999 on:** November 27, 2012, 11:43:28 PM »

Mr.Wayne,

This is an open source forum.

If you are not going open source, you do not belong here.

Nothing personal, just facts.

Gwandau

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