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Author Topic: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?  (Read 57029 times)

teslaalset

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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2011, 01:34:25 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on March 19, 2011, 01:22:16 PM
@teslaalset,

Installation done. Now, file's open. Can't find the libraries you require, though.

This is done via the menu 'pspice', Edit Simulation Profile' and then go to the tab 'configuration files' and link the lib files

Directory on my PC is indicated below
(don't forget to select 'library' in the 'category' window)
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2011, 02:06:41 PM »
OK, that's done. I set up the libraries as global. When trying to run the sim PSpice Runtime Settings pops up and something has to be changed there because if you click OK the thing crashes.
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2011, 02:11:38 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on March 19, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
OK, that's done. I set up the libraries as global. When trying to run the sim PSpice Runtime Settings pops up and something has to be changed there because if you click OK the thing crashes.

I use Windows 7. No crashes occurs.
Maybe you can just start a new project and create the same circuit from scratch. Shouldn't be that much effort.
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2011, 02:21:52 PM »
No, it's not that kind of crash. It just says there's a convergence problem, so something's wrong with the parameters. I'd like to reproduce first your results. Can you give me the values of your:

Relative accuracy of V's and I's
Best accuracy of currents [amps]
Best accuracy of voltages [volts]
Minimum conductance for any branch [1/ohm]
Run to time [seconds]
Maximum step size [seconds]
DC and bias "blind" iteration limit
DC and bias "best guess" iteration limit
Transient time point iteration limit

Thanks
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teslaalset

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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2011, 03:06:35 PM »
@omnibus,

Here are my settings:
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2011, 03:27:08 PM »
@teslaalset,

I got it. Now, I'm simming it from 0.02s to 0.04, having in mind that the frequency should be 50Hz, that is, T = 1/50 = 0.02s. I'm not starting the acquisition from 0s to avoid the inital ripples. The time increment is 0.0001s. Now, the question is what do we really wanna measure here.
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2011, 03:30:49 PM »
In fact, I'm getting one full period T to be 0.01s. The rest is as in your Simulation settings->Options.
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2011, 03:38:55 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on March 19, 2011, 03:30:49 PM
In fact, I'm getting one full period T to be 0.01s. The rest is as in your Simulation settings->Options.

Your getting there ;)
Remember this is a circuit that oscillates at about 50 Hz.....
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2011, 03:39:46 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on March 19, 2011, 03:27:08 PM
@teslaalset,

I got it. Now, I'm simming it from 0.02s to 0.04, having in mind that the frequency should be 50Hz, that is, T = 1/50 = 0.02s. I'm not starting the acquisition from 0s to avoid the inital ripples. The time increment is 0.0001s. Now, the question is what do we really wanna measure here.

We measure the voltage over the resistor in my view.
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2011, 03:52:25 PM »
It isn't clear at all what's going on. Now, there should be some initial input and then it should be taken away. How's that accomplished in the sim? Then, I'm getting some huge amp values. Why? Also, 1/50Hz should give 0.02s as one period, not 0.01s, or I'm missing something.
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2011, 04:30:29 PM »
This is where I'm measuring I and V. Voltage is w/ 10V offset while current is on the order of kiloamps. Do you measure the same thing?
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2011, 04:31:47 PM »
Quote from: Omnibus on March 19, 2011, 03:52:25 PM
It isn't clear at all what's going on. Now, there should be some initial input and then it should be taken away. How's that accomplished in the sim? Then, I'm getting some huge amp values. Why? Also, 1/50Hz should give 0.02s as one period, not 0.01s, or I'm missing something.

Ok, you may have missed something.
The start situation is a charged capacitor (the left one).
This one is charged to +12V in the initial phase.
Then simulation starts and capacitor charge starts the oscillation.

In my simulation, I monitor the voltage across the resistor of 9KOhm
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2011, 04:37:33 PM »
Quote from: teslaalset on March 19, 2011, 04:31:47 PM
Ok, you may have missed something.
The start situation is a charged capacitor (the left one).
This one is charged to +12V in the initial phase.
Then simulation starts and capacitor charge starts the oscillation.

OK, that's good but when placing 12V next to the cap doesn't the program take it that it remains 12V throughout and there's no discharge? Shouldn't this 12V be just at the first moment and then see what happens. Something like that. I thought there should be some bouncing back and forth between the caps. That's regarding the principle of operation of the sim itself. Also, I'm still unclear about the measured parameters. Current is excruciatingly high, for instance.
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2011, 05:01:58 PM »
The greatest problem is the value of the parameters. Obviously the probram takes these 12V to be the initial condition and then the discharge goes along its natural way. So, that part may be considered settled. However, why is this enormous current popping up? This is the first thing I'd like to understand now.
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Re: FREE ENERGY AC GENERATOR ?
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2011, 05:47:00 PM »
@teslaalset,

Take a look at this graph. Damping of I and V signals is evident and is as expected due to losses (non-physical values of the current notwithstanding). One would say that precludes any hope for this device being OU, at least self-sustaining OU (unless someone who wants to hold us hostage insists he knows some secret set of parameters that sustain the signal; we won't fall in such trap, though). One lase hope for this device to be OU if it can be shown that the initial energy needed to charge the cap to 12V is less than the energy dissipated across the resistor till the signals die.
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