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Offline radmag

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Stanley-Faraday difference
« on: August 21, 2009, 10:33:06 AM »
I started to work on Stanley's work.I have been reading about it for three days.I couldn't have a final thought.The problem is:

For example,we need 10 watts to separate H2 and O2 in Faraday electrolysis.With Stanley's method can we do the same work with 4 watts for example?

We separate with 10 watts with Faraday.Then we burn the hydrogen and we have water now.Do we have 10 watts because of this burn?
So if we separate in Stanley way that costs 4 watts,and we burn it that gives 10 watts,don't we have 6 watts?Isn't it overunity?

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Stanley-Faraday difference
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Offline markdansie

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Re: Stanley-Faraday difference
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 11:29:23 AM »
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Offline radmag

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Re: Stanley-Faraday difference
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 12:49:03 PM »

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Offline Cloxxki

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Re: Stanley-Faraday difference
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 07:19:30 PM »
My simple understanding:
If you can get for 4J what Faraday took 10J, yet you still get the full 10J worth of burn, you do have 6J excess. Some or most of that, as heat.
However, you'll want to reserve another 4J for the next bubble to be produced. And your engine doesn't really put out 10J of useful electricity.
Less juicy (water) left for a car to be propelled.
Unless you get that 4J down to 2J, you're looking at one very small car with one very large bubble maker, moving along slowly on a tiny electric engine.

So, what kind of performance is needed to self-sustain a car, to operate on a tank full of water and a small start-up battery? Getting a more efficient engine to drive the electic enegine and bubbler, would be worth it to meet the bubbler researchers halfway.

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Re: Stanley-Faraday difference
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 08:10:10 PM »
Faraday efficiency is only related to quantities of  electrons and volumes of gas...  Not really Joules, or voltage.. It's just "current efficiency".   

In a nutshell,  if two electrons enter a cell  through a conductor,  and propagate efficiently between electrodes.   You'll be left with 2H and O (gas).

If the electrons don't propagate efficiently through a cell, you might start with 2 electrons and end up with an unwanted chemical reaction (reformation of H2O) plus heat instead of gas generation...



Sometimes "over Faraday" production appears when a cell gets to hot (i.e. plasma electrolysis) and disassociation occurs from heat instead of current....


Stan Meyer claims to use "Voltage" to split H2O, but if you understand what voltage really is...  You'll see that he was confused...  And probably meant high Electric Fields, which can affect water and H2O bonding.


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Offline dankie

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Re: Stanley-Faraday difference
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 11:57:23 PM »
The Meyers brothers were gifted with superb intellect and were raised by discpiplined and very zealous and religious parents . All of their inventions work and will soon be coming @ a water treatment plant near you .

Ofc they did what they said they did and anybody who says otherwise is just a fool . It takes 'skill' and 'dedication' . The OU factor was anywhere from 10 to 10000 beyond .

Ravi is gone now , I dont think he achieved the true Meyers effect , I think he was a big time waster to be honest , I never listened to that person .

I am not working on Stan's work anymore , I am now working in the hydroxyl refilling patent because there is black on white claims in this patent regarding "increased production" by some "other method" wich is NOT the "prior art" ...


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Re: Stanley-Faraday difference
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2009, 07:20:22 AM »
Good luck with your reasearch... from the material i have read over the past 3 years on Mr Meyers he did more to the water than electrolysis. Read up on magnetic effects and his theorys as to the use of harmonics. He also used IR light to increase his production. there are some useful YouTube movies about how the beam from tv remotes can influence electronics that utilize magnetics. (specifically electric guitars would be a nice place to start :) )
There are lots of theory experimenters on this board. Every man and his dog knows the answer to how to make this work... But yet they are all still here, still telling everyone what to do. My suggestion is to use this forum as a resource and post your results and let people take them as they please.

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