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Author Topic: Joerg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging  (Read 207043 times)

gyulasun

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2011, 05:54:26 PM »
Hi Folks,

When he charges up a supercap to 20V within 1 second via that piece of wire, what he measures with the clamp meter is the initial peak current which exponentially should decrease as the cap charges up from its 0.1 -  0.2 V (say zero) to the 20V. What is important is the time and a decreasing current till the full charge up. I believe the wire has no time to heat up, it surely warms up to a certain degree, an infra camera or a direct touching thermometer would surely show the new temperature, (possibly a few degrees C higher than the room temp).

In case of a power supply however there are at least two factors to be considered:
1) the inner resistance of the power supply compared to the series Li cells inner resistance
2) the output voltage of the power supply does not decrease exponentially and it surely maintain the voltage he adjusted it to get the same peak current he read from the clamp meter. So the power supply is able to feed much more power to the same wire, hence it can melt...

I do not question the magnets may change something inside the Li batteries and may increase its capacity but the 'proof' with this wire test versus the power supply is not a good one.

Gyula

Hi All,

I did read some more reading of the patents that are available. There is a remarkable thing he noticed using the prepared ion cells.
According to him, a clamp meter will read a current in the thin wire that should have melted the wire! But it doesn't!!
If he then uses a current, from a power supply, that is equal to what the clamp meter read, the wire will melt!

So it seems to generate a magnetic field around the wire that is much stronger than the actual current flow would suggest.

This is why he says that the "loading-signal" has different properties than "normal" current.....
It "signals" to the cap or battery to separate charges.....

regards,

Dutchy

dutchy1966

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2011, 06:09:52 PM »
Hi Folks,

When he charges up a supercap to 20V within 1 second via that piece of wire, what he measures with the clamp meter is the initial peak current which exponentially should decrease as the cap charges up from its 0.1 -  0.2 V (say zero) to the 20V.

Gyula

Hi Gyula,

The initial peak current from a dead Ion cell?? Besides the measurement is also done on charging dead motorbike batteries, which are fully charged in 20 minutes.
Secondly, I don't think it's peak current because he (Hempel) would know about that. He is well versed in the matter. See his youtube video about his lab and the equipment he works with..... He's not a rookie.

Anyway, there is not much more info about it in the patents so I guess we won't know.....

regards,

Dutchy

gyulasun

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2011, 06:28:06 PM »
Hi Dutchy,

Sorry, misunderstanding,  I did not know you meant a dead Ion cell when you mentioned "prepared ion cells" in your last but one post...  Is it known how much voltage is involved across the dead Ion cell? Just around some hundred mV?

I thought of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtqPL_maeg where he showed charging a supercap to 20V from the 'magic' Li cells via the piece of wire and the wire did not melt, then he discharged the supercap by the piece of wire and it melted first, then got red hot till all the charge was consumed from the cap.
So I believed that in the case of the test you referred to, (and it is not in this video) he measured the peak current when he charged up the cap, then he used the power supply set to a voltage which insures the same initial peak current, this is all.

Gyula
Hi Gyula,

The initial peak current from a dead Ion cell?? Besides the measurement is also done on charging dead motorbike batteries, which are fully charged in 20 minutes.
Secondly, I don't think it's peak current because he (Hempel) would know about that. He is well versed in the matter. See his youtube video about his lab and the equipment he works with..... He's not a rookie.

Anyway, there is not much more info about it in the patents so I guess we won't know.....

regards,

Dutchy

wings

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2011, 06:40:50 PM »
Hi Wings,

Seeing this effect is also present from dead cells, which would mean there is no charge current, are you saying it might be pure spin current thats going down the wire? And that doesn't heat up the wire apparently....

regards,

Dutchy
strange use of a magnetic effect

free speaking .... some effect of spin current can explain wire vibration in TPU experiment rapid variation of signal voltage with no current at all (Einstein-De Haas effect) http://www.zeitnews.org/chemistry-physics-and-material-sciences-research/could-the-combination-of-general-relativity-and-quantum-mechanics-lead-to-spintronics.html

My feeling is that spin is the first effect when you apply a potential (need less energy you have to align spin not move electron or ion , less energy?)

dutchy1966

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2011, 06:41:15 PM »
Hi Dutchy,

Sorry, misunderstanding,  I did not know you meant a dead Ion cell when you mentioned "prepared ion cells" in your last but one post...  Is it known how much voltage is involved across the dead Ion cell? Just around some hundred mV?

Gyula

Hi Gyula,

No problem about the misunderstanding. In his patents he says that the ion cells are drained through a load and when theyre dead they are also still shorted for a while..... So the voltage can't be much.
He also states that is doesn't really matter if the cells are charged or not... apperently the affect doesn't come from the charge.

Maybe it has something to do with spin current as Wings suggested....

Dutchy

dutchy1966

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2011, 07:30:04 PM »
My feeling is that spin is the first effect when you apply a potential (need less energy you have to align spin not move electron or ion , less energy?)

Hi Wings,

Hmmm, could the magnets on the ion cell setup a spin current that travels to the cap/battery, and the spin current also causes charge separation in it? Guess I have to study spintronics..... don't know enough about it.

Dutchy

wings

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2011, 07:43:04 PM »
Hi Wings,

Hmmm, could the magnets on the ion cell setup a spin current that travels to the cap/battery, and the spin current also causes charge separation in it? Guess I have to study spintronics..... don't know enough about it.

Dutchy

3.1. Electric Field Induced by Spin Current
By Biot-Savart law, an electric current may induce a magnetic field in the space surrounding it. Correspondingly, can a pure spin current induce an electric field? The answer is yes! Associated with the electron spin, there is a magnetic moment. According to Sun, Guo and Wang [10], for a spin current, it also accompanies a corresponding magnetic moment current.

www.cospa.ntu.edu.tw/aappsbulletin/data/18-5/29_Spintronics.pdf

bolt

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2011, 07:46:48 PM »
There is no point guessing the type of charge going into the batteries. The only thing that can be said that in order to charge a 5 farad capacitor in one second from dead would usually need 100 amps or more.  Its the very reason they are used on 5000 watts+ car stereo systems to supply mega amps when the voltage fluctuation may not exceed 0.5 volts thus using huge thick wires bolted to the cap terminals. Im sure a thin telephone wire will not have quite the same effect.

This doesn't appear to be the case when the effect can be achieved using dead flat shorted out batteries. Call it whatever you like, Spin Current, Scalar waves, swamp gas it ain't a normal electron current and naming the effect based on pure theory will not help reproduce it either.

Delta_V

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2011, 08:51:30 PM »
Hi!
Mr. Valery Ivanov of Bulgaria has a new video. It shows the module in INKOMP photovoltaic electrical system. Efficiency of electric-magnetic itself module is 450%! Unfortunately, his comment was in Bulgarian. Such a system based on INKOMP very good solution for electric cars. Would increase their elapsed distance of more than 2 times!

Magluvin

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2011, 10:31:23 PM »
Hmm  Ion batteries and magnets..  Could it be that the magnet has a "quenching" effect on the electron flow, by separating, allowing only ion flow?   Like Tesla spark quenching..  I know the 2 are far apart, but it sounds good.

Mags

gauschor

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2011, 12:47:09 AM »
Very interesting video. Maybe he has found a way to transport energy in a cold status - but now the essential question arises:
Do the charging accumulators (the 2 small batteries in the silver cylinder) drain insanely fast when he charges the capacitor, or not?
If they drain insanely fast he has not got that much, but
If they don't drain a lot he has got something very precious...

I hope his upcoming video will clear this up I'm feeling a prickling sensation

bolt

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2011, 04:34:22 AM »
Very interesting video. Maybe he has found a way to transport energy in a cold status - but now the essential question arises:
Do the charging accumulators (the 2 small batteries in the silver cylinder) drain insanely fast when he charges the capacitor, or not?
If they drain insanely fast he has not got that much, but
If they don't drain a lot he has got something very precious...

I hope his upcoming video will clear this up I'm feeling a prickling sensation

The prickling sensation is just cramp because you have been slumped over your computer for too long.

neptune

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #57 on: March 07, 2011, 12:01:29 PM »
Going back to the original device . If this is real , and bolt and I have pointed out you would not spend Mega money on a patent if it was not ,we need to leave no stone unturned in order to duplicate it . As always , we have ambiguous information . The consensus is that we start with a discharged Li-ion cell / battery .The big question as I see it is the orientation of the magnetic field . and its strength .Here is another idea to try . Look at the second diagram in reply number 2 of this thread . It shows a coil around the cells .There are in fact 2 coils , end to end . Note that one is clockwise and one anti clockwise . Working from one end , this gives 2 fields  , going N-S-N-S . I would recomend powering this initially from an outside DC source .One could try reversing the supply .or try just one coil , and again try both current directions . If this works , we can deduce from the diagram that whatever type of current this device produces , it is capable of producing a magnetic field ,or mabe he is just covering his arse in case someone else creates a variation on this diagram that works .The use and sale of the cell phone booster magnets in japan only proves the 25% increase in battery capaciy , not the main effect .

neptune

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #58 on: March 07, 2011, 10:23:43 PM »
I made a mistake in my last post .The field of the 2 coils will be S_N_N_S and not as stated above . @gauschor . The accumulators will not discharge extremely fast . In fact they will not discharge at all , since they are already totally discharged to start with .[read previous posts .] I have just reread the patent . and it states that the cells are "densely covered " with the magnetic tape . I think it was bolt who suggested cutting down the width of the tape to form very narrow strips , and using A and B type tapes alternately .

gauschor

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Re: JÃ¶rg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging
« Reply #59 on: March 07, 2011, 11:11:37 PM »
@neptune: I was talking of the 2 charging batteries within the "silver foil", not the lead acid batteries in the middle. I know that the lead accumulator is empty, but not the small source batteries. And these need to be measured afterwards. Even a blinking light can drain a battery fast.

Since the rough description on the youtube claims that it provides constant high output with low input only, I could assume that the source batteries drain much slower than usual. But it's only assumption. I hope that he puts on another video as announced. I am waiting for a little bit more detail on the magnet's purpose and construction.

Btw. I checked the price: a 1 Farad capacitor of the same size and specifications shown in the video only costs about 60\$. I estimated the price be much higher.