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Offline christo4_99

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Another Bessler Thread
« on: July 16, 2010, 12:12:43 AM »
quote from Bessler :"Unlike all other automata,such as clocks or springs, or other hanging,
weights which required winding up, or whose duration depends on the chain which attaches
them, these weights, on the contrary, are the essential parts, and constitute the perpetual
motion itself; since from them is received the universal movement which they must exercise
so long as they remain out of the centre of gravity; and when they come to be placed together,
 and so arranged one against another that they can never obtain equilibrium, or the punctum
 quietus which they unceasingly seekin their wonderfully speedy flight, one or other of them
must apply its weight at right angles to the axis, which in its turn must also move."

Well guys i don't wanna get anyone excited but i have a concept that fits this description exactly.I don't have a prototype or anything but the concept itself ( and drawings) seem to pass the first second and third level of my personal scrutiny.The thing to get your mind around here seems to be the fact that both weights he is talking about are "together" and somehow one or other of them remains permanently "at right angles to the axis" according to the description.To me this is a hard concept. In a nutshell i will hint at my interpretation of this idea with some questions. 1)How can two weights be together and opposing one another at the same time? 2) How can a weight be considered to be "at right angles to the axis" or affect the axis at right angles regardless of it's position within a given "wheel"?To me,if you can answer these two questions you may be on the way to a workable design.

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Another Bessler Thread
« on: July 16, 2010, 12:12:43 AM »

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2010, 05:00:57 PM »
1)How can two weights be together and opposing one another at the same time?

Easy, the two weights come to be placed together at the axle, and the two weights are connected to eachother so they oppose eachother in order to make them easy to shift through eachothers influcence/counterbalance.

2) How can a weight be considered to be "at right angles to the axis" or affect the axis at right angles regardless of it's position within a given "wheel"?

To recognise a right angle, then one weight takes a position upwards, while the second weight falls out at the side.

Alex

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 05:24:06 AM »
again...i don't wanna get anyone excited but i believe i have cracked the case of the seemingly crazy man we all know as Johann Bessler.no disrespect intended.i believe the man was a genius.i have done very little in the way of actual experimentation but i am exceptionally mechanically minded (if i may flatter myself)...i doubt my concept is exactly the same as He but i am sure that the working principle is identical.I don't wanna be another John Collins and state that i have figured it out and then let everyone down...but i do have a workable concept that is very,very promising.the thing is i do wanna get patents and i do want to get paid.Like Bessler i want to share it with you all.but i know that it will eventually end up in the wrong hands anyway.If it wasn't for this board i would have never even known about Bessler.If i could disclose it it right here right now i predict that a few of you would scratch your head and agree that it will work...just like a close friend of mine when i told him about it.I just want to share the excitement that i feel over the probability that i have rediscovered what Bessler knew 300 or so years in the past.I have been wrong before like the anvil that is struck because of a missed blow.I will update as soon as i know for sure.

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 05:24:06 AM »
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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 06:30:13 PM »
Cristo, 

 Please ignore patent comments from those that are clueless on the matter!!!!

 Bessler's wheel CAN be patented.

 The choice is yours.

 Good luck.   :)

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2010, 11:26:43 PM »
christo4_99

 You are in good company here.  4 of us on this string, feel we have figured it out. But only the build will be the proof. But Patent is the way to go. For you at least need the documented credit, or you could be forgotten. I just hope you are doing something different from what I am doing. LOL

Alan

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2010, 11:26:43 PM »
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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 11:38:52 PM »
those who claim something but show nothing = nothing
those who claim nothing but show something = something
those who claim something and show something= wrong

i would very much like to be proven wrong

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 08:02:16 AM »
in response to all...i have really wrapped my mind around this thing and i am at the stage where i not only believe it's possible but in my heart of hearts i know it.the thing is i think in all directions and i believe that not only is pm possible but there must be several ways to accomplish it...the reason i mentioned the anvil was that i think the anvil in apologia is bessler himself...and i,recently,through my advancement into what bessler called "same noted madness" have experienced the same by telling friend's and love one's that i had something that would work and then not...but these stages are important because they reinforce the belief and without that you are by default,on the wrong track.just think about the practical application of what we do know about what bessler did...most of us never even make it to the point of minimizing friction in our design.i am telling you...if you want to get on the right track do not think of anything but weights...not wheels,but hanging,standing,displaced...weights...Bessler hinted that we already have the information...just make sure when you think of your design,even if it is solely your own,that you have tried,with as simple a mind as you can to conceptualize what he said about the principle.

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2010, 08:02:16 AM »
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Offline christo4_99

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2010, 10:37:47 AM »
advice...for free! just start from nowhere...for those who know the joke..."get your own dirt"...for those who don't...guess you're lost.the matt. 15 16 reference is saying basically " i have given you enough information " and at the same time "there will always be excess(weight)".

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 04:54:43 PM »
what Bessler did was found a "movement" that would repeat itself @ or within 180 degrees of rotation...not necessarily synchronized with 180 degrees or less of wheel rotation.

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 04:54:43 PM »
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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 11:35:00 PM »
So when do you intend to share some valuable information? Would be most interesting...

Alex

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2010, 04:58:23 AM »
So when do you intend to share some valuable information? Would be most interesting...

Alex
i do not intend to directly share anything valuable.although i will,remind those who are in search of p.m. that Bessler talked a lot about excess weight and he indirectly gave reference to it in one the comments he wrote for a m.t. drawing...but with a negative connotation.

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2010, 01:26:54 PM »
Which MT drawing does he indirectly refer to about excess weight, sounds interesting

Alex

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2010, 05:25:40 PM »
Which MT drawing does he indirectly refer to about excess weight, sounds interesting

Alex
MT 4...there is also another mt drawing in which he refers to one side being heavier as a "problem" MT 26...anyway my interpretation of these glitches is that he is trying to be subtle about the principles on which someone can actually acheive PM.my point being that Bessler gave all the information needed to acheive P.M. but he did it in such a way that in haste you may just miss it.Nuff said.

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Re: Another Bessler Thread
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2011, 05:23:50 AM »
i haven't posted in a while but i have something to say.the universal motion that Bessler referred to means that the weights turned within the wheel in a circular motion,meaning they do not come to rest and shift back in the opposite direction imo.the preponderance that was mentioned is a reference to releasing weights before they reach the bottom of the wheel in an arc so that they may start to move upward as a result.also i really don't understand the idea of the weights coming together. i think Bessler meant opposed,one against the other not literally "together".if someone could explain this concept of the weights coming together near the top of the wheel i will gladly listen.also,i have a new design for the wheel in mind,and it combines at least two of the mt drawings and also an idea i got from the apologia wheel drawing.

 

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