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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 670990 times)

Offline evolvingape

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1665 on: June 28, 2011, 05:59:30 PM »
Hi Cat and Mags,

It seems you have realised now that rose is NEVER going to do that test. The simple reason is that the test would be conclusive. The system will either run for ever or it will show a battery drain eventually. No measurement arguments will be possible because all of the energy processes will be within the system and we will just have a single definitive result after a suitable length of time.

All manner of excuses have been put forward as to why the test will not be done, one of my favourites being that the scientific community will not accept it as valid. I say who gives a shit what they think ? If it sits there on the bench and runs forever while producing a heat output they can deny it all they want, but the evidence will be to the contrary.

I was one of the people asking for this test months and months ago until I gave up, waste of my time trying to help her. Since then I have managed to complete an entire project with the help of Mr Goose and his excellent knowledge base, just waiting on results from prototyping now.

Obviously Rose has grounds for her claim, there is a massive queue of people lining up to show the replications of her circuit and the massive OU they are achieving, likewise there is a massive inundation of support in her inbox although I am curious as to why none of them ever post here ?

See how much of peoples time this thread is wasting ?

It is a real shame really because the premise of the parasitic oscillation is quite exciting and it is this I believe that holds peoples attention. At least this thread provides a constant repetitive stream of amusement for everyone who needs a break from serious research and progress.

RM :)

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1666 on: June 28, 2011, 11:35:41 PM »
See how much of peoples time this thread is wasting ?

It is a real shame really because the premise of the parasitic oscillation is quite exciting and it is this I believe that holds peoples attention. At least this thread provides a constant repetitive stream of amusement for everyone who needs a break from serious research and progress.

RM :)
then why are you here wasting your time posting? hypocrite much?

regarding a repetitive stream of amusement... that it does. as long as you, mag, cat and the like continue to "waste your time" by continuing to post... ::) go pat yourself on the back for reinventing gasification...

Offline evolvingape

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1667 on: June 29, 2011, 12:31:01 AM »
Haha Wilby that's desperation for you! The answer was in what you quoted and what you subsequently said... amusement my man... pure and simple!

And who said I reinvented gasification ? I never made that claim, I just reworked it a bit to make it simpler for people to play with.

I got a question for you Wilby... How much energy EXACTLY is in a battery ?

RM :)

Offline MrMag

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1668 on: June 29, 2011, 01:24:43 AM »
Hi Cat and Mags,

It seems you have realised now that rose is NEVER going to do that test. The simple reason is that the test would be conclusive. The system will either run for ever or it will show a battery drain eventually. No measurement arguments will be possible because all of the energy processes will be within the system and we will just have a single definitive result after a suitable length of time.

All manner of excuses have been put forward as to why the test will not be done, one of my favourites being that the scientific community will not accept it as valid. I say who gives a shit what they think ? If it sits there on the bench and runs forever while producing a heat output they can deny it all they want, but the evidence will be to the contrary.

I was one of the people asking for this test months and months ago until I gave up, waste of my time trying to help her. Since then I have managed to complete an entire project with the help of Mr Goose and his excellent knowledge base, just waiting on results from prototyping now.

Obviously Rose has grounds for her claim, there is a massive queue of people lining up to show the replications of her circuit and the massive OU they are achieving, likewise there is a massive inundation of support in her inbox although I am curious as to why none of them ever post here ?

See how much of peoples time this thread is wasting ?

It is a real shame really because the premise of the parasitic oscillation is quite exciting and it is this I believe that holds peoples attention. At least this thread provides a constant repetitive stream of amusement for everyone who needs a break from serious research and progress.

RM :)

I agree 100%. If we wait for the scientific community to accept this, we would be crazy. They are too comfortable sitting behind their desks with all their little books of laws. They don't like people upsetting the norm. The ONLY way this will ever be accepted by the general population is to perform this test that seems like a lot of people are looking for. But then rose will never do the test because she doesn't care what we think. She just wants to publish a paper somewhere. Then she will be important.

And rose, do you actually think that Bubba can give you a number of joules that you can use in your report when you give him only approximate temperatures and approximate times and a guess at how much water was in the container. Great scientific test. Just do the one we are asking. Like Evolvingape says, if it keeps running without decreasing the batteries, that's good enough for me.

Offline MrMag

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1669 on: June 29, 2011, 01:28:02 AM »
Wilby, why are you avoiding answering the simple questions i asked you?

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1670 on: June 29, 2011, 01:32:25 AM »
Haha Wilby that's desperation for you! The answer was in what you quoted and what you subsequently said... amusement my man... pure and simple!
indeed your hypocrisy is amusing...

And who said I reinvented gasification ? I never made that claim, I just reworked it a bit to make it simpler for people to play with.
english... do you speak it?

re·in·vent  (rn-vnt)
tr.v. re·in·vent·ed, re·in·vent·ing, re·in·vents
1. To make over completely: "She reinvented Indian cooking to fit a Western kitchen and a Western larder" (Irene Sax).
2. To bring back into existence or use: reinvented the concept of neighborliness.
Idiom:
reinvent the wheel
1. To do something again, from the beginning, especially in a needless or inefficient effort: "School districts need not reinvent the wheel every time they try to improve their schools" (Washington Post).
2. To recast something familiar or old into a different form: "Call it reinventing the wheel or recasting old ideas, but these contemporary versions have a spirit and style all their own" (New York Times).

number 2 would be the applicable one in this instance.

I got a question for you Wilby... How much energy EXACTLY is in a battery ?

RM :)
which battery? ::)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1671 on: June 29, 2011, 02:48:46 AM »
And Bubba - I am NOT interested in the 'power' as I KNOW that it cost the battery nothing.  What I want to know is HOW MANY JOULES was dissipated as WORK?  Because I also KNOW that the most that bank of batteries can deliver is 5 x 12 x 40 amps.  Over time therefore it is 5 x 12 x 40 x 60 seconds for 60 minutes.  I've got that from the battery suppliers.  And I misquoted the amount of batteries.  It should have read 5 NOT 6 as I erroneously referenced.
For the last part with the higher frequency, heating 870 grams of water (100-82)degrees: 4.18 X 870 X 18 = 65,458.8 joules.  Do that in 10 minutes and you average 65,458.8 joules/600 seconds = 109.098 watts.
As for the first part, there are too many unknowns.  Raising the temperature of 870 grams of water 66 degrees Celsius in 10 minutes is impressive, but the heater was hotter than boiling water when you put it in the water.  It had "momentum" so to speak.  I am not any kind of expert, especially a thermodynamics expert.  There are just too many unknowns at this time.  The best that I can come up with now is that it took 65,459 joules to heat the water (maybe 870 grams, maybe less) 18 degrees celsius.  Your circuit was putting out roughly 65,459 joules every ten minutes at the end.

Offline evolvingape

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1672 on: June 29, 2011, 03:51:10 AM »
Haha Wilby nice try  ;D

As a scientific pursuit of the truth behind the claims of this circuit then this thread has most certainly been a total waste of time thus far. How can you possibly dispute this when no progress has been made ? As an amusement it serves the function well. So where is the hypocrisy ? Your attempt at labelling me a hypocrite when my original reply contained the answer to your misconception is laughable, you even quoted it!

As for reinventing gasification I see that your both correct and incorrect. The stratified downdraft gasifier can be classed as a reinvention of the original Imbert design, but as I have not changed any of the operating processes, principles or design of the stratified version I have certainly not reinvented the technology, and it was definitely not me that brought the technology back into use.

As for the changing of the form you are correct, the off the shelf components and miniaturisation can be classed as a reinvention. You should try being more specific in future to avoid multiple interpretations of your statements, unless that is of course your goal.

And as for the battery lets use the model in Rose's circuit. Please tell me EXACTLY how much energy is in each of the individual 5 battery's.

RM :)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1673 on: June 29, 2011, 07:31:23 AM »
For the last part with the higher frequency, heating 870 grams of water (100-82)degrees: 4.18 X 870 X 18 = 65,458.8 joules.  Do that in 10 minutes and you average 65,458.8 joules/600 seconds = 109.098 watts.
As for the first part, there are too many unknowns.  Raising the temperature of 870 grams of water 66 degrees Celsius in 10 minutes is impressive, but the heater was hotter than boiling water when you put it in the water.  It had "momentum" so to speak.  I am not any kind of expert, especially a thermodynamics expert.  There are just too many unknowns at this time.  The best that I can come up with now is that it took 65,459 joules to heat the water (maybe 870 grams, maybe less) 18 degrees celsius.  Your circuit was putting out roughly 65,459 joules every ten minutes at the end.

Golly Bubba. That's some interesting math.  ;D

And Evolvingape - I've told you the answer.  40 ampere hours from a 12 volt battery supply gives 480 watt hours.  Therefore  it theoretically can provide 480 watts for each second over the period of a single hour.  And with 5 of those batteries we've got a potential of 2.4 KWH which is simply five times more.  Apparently it's not correct because each battery has got different ratings.  Some can discharge heavy currents and others can't.  Therefore the watt hour rating is simply a guide to its potential work output.  No wonder I wasn't allowed to include those battery draw down tests for our Quantum paper.

Regards,
Rosemary

Offline powercat

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1674 on: June 29, 2011, 10:52:31 AM »
Ignoring the issue won't make it go away, since you have attacked me and called me a liar in previous posts I now consider this my duty, so that no one new to this forum will be misled into believing that you have a circuit that produces OU, unless of course you, oh yeah you're not communicating, repost time then

You can't tell me of any member on this forum that has produced OU with your circuit, because nobody has.

Here are few videos for members on the forum, they are other members that didn't make videos who also failed in their attempts to match your claim of OU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrwgEb5ac_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM8BBa7_Zpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x0wQJrc9To
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GBS3sKcB8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trip8gjoxMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpaP__5Kd38

Do something different Here on This forum,and stop ignoring reasonable requests for tests. or stop claiming OU on This OverUnity Forum.
A big conspiracy, it would appear that anyone that says your circut doesn't workor or indicate's measuring error, is then part of that conspiracy.
Many members have made reasonable requests that you ignore including Stefan,Mr Mag amongst others,but you ignore them and carry on regurgitating your same old arguments.

Go on Rosie proof that 99 is wrong in his analysis and makes something that runs and runs and put it on the Internet after all,
 (Quote from Rosemary)
"All one needs are the the measurements and some reasonable account of the apparatus that produces those measurements".

The fact still remains that no one here can reproduce your claims of OU, and you are not willing to do anything to change that deadlock, apart from use this forum as your soapbox and blog.

On this forum you are expected to interact to prove your claim, if you are claiming OU,I think that is reasonable.

Offline MrMag

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1675 on: June 29, 2011, 05:15:07 PM »
Golly Bubba. That's some interesting math.  ;D

And Evolvingape - I've told you the answer.  40 ampere hours from a 12 volt battery supply gives 480 watt hours.  Therefore  it theoretically can provide 480 watts for each second over the period of a single hour.  And with 5 of those batteries we've got a potential of 2.4 KWH which is simply five times more.  Apparently it's not correct because each battery has got different ratings.  Some can discharge heavy currents and others can't.  Therefore the watt hour rating is simply a guide to its potential work output.  No wonder I wasn't allowed to include those battery draw down tests for our Quantum paper.

Regards,
Rosemary

That's we are politely asking you to do the continuous test. Just let the setup run. No need to take any continuous measurements, only the battery voltage to start and then at the end. It's very simple. This test doesn't care if all of your batteries are different. If your circuit is OU, the batteries will maintain their voltage. If not, they will die down.

Offline evolvingape

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1676 on: June 29, 2011, 10:23:18 PM »

And as for the battery lets use the model in Rose's circuit. Please tell me EXACTLY how much energy is in each of the individual 5 battery's.

RM :)


And Evolvingape - I've told you the answer.  40 ampere hours from a 12 volt battery supply gives 480 watt hours.  Therefore  it theoretically can provide 480 watts for each second over the period of a single hour.  And with 5 of those batteries we've got a potential of 2.4 KWH which is simply five times more.  Apparently it's not correct because each battery has got different ratings.  Some can discharge heavy currents and others can't.  Therefore the watt hour rating is simply a guide to its potential work output.  No wonder I wasn't allowed to include those battery draw down tests for our Quantum paper.

Regards,
Rosemary

Thankyou Rose, you have just demonstrated clearly and concisely that you do not have the slightest idea of what I am talking about. You have just earned yourself a double facepalm for an Epic Fail!

The question was for Wilby anyway, so Wilby, please tell me EXACTLY how much energy is in each of the individual 5 battery's in Rose's circuit ?

RM :)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1677 on: June 30, 2011, 12:32:22 AM »
Thankyou Rose, you have just demonstrated clearly and concisely that you do not have the slightest idea of what I am talking about. You have just earned yourself a double facepalm for an Epic Fail!

The question was for Wilby anyway, so Wilby, please tell me EXACTLY how much energy is in each of the individual 5 battery's in Rose's circuit ?

RM :)

Like I said.  God help us all.  Guys I'll get back here when I've finished that paper.  Meanwhile Wilby just let them rabbit on. 

Regards,
Rosemary

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1678 on: June 30, 2011, 12:53:17 AM »

The question was for Wilby anyway, so Wilby, please tell me EXACTLY how much energy is in each of the individual 5 battery's in Rose's circuit ?

RM :)

Dude, I agree with Wilby on the battery thing. its a loaded question.

You could have 50 new fully charged batteries and they will all hold some differences. When loaded in series they will even out as close as possible to eachother except for the little differences I spoke of. With batteries in series its called balancing out.  After a full charge, some may contain more energy than others. After the full charge if you put a maintaining charge to them, in series, balancing will occur and most all will be close to equal.
Big caps is the way to go. The energy involved is finite when you know the value of the cap and the voltage in that cap.

Mags



Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1679 on: June 30, 2011, 12:56:57 AM »
Dude, I agree with Wilby on the battery thing. its a loaded question.

You could have 50 new fully charged batteries and they will all hold some differences. When loaded in series they will even out as close as possible to eachother except for the little differences I spoke of. With batteries in series its called balancing out.  After a full charge, some may contain more energy than others. After the full charge if you put a maintaining charge to them, in series, balancing will occur and most all will be close to equal.
Big caps is the way to go. The energy involved is finite when you know the value of the cap and the voltage in that cap.

Mags

We'll be trying that caps test soon Magsy. Hopefully as soon as this weekend.

Rosie