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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 657885 times)

Offline MrMag

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1605 on: June 25, 2011, 06:17:08 PM »
Wilby - thanks for trying to stem this rot.  But it really isn't needed.  Just let them rabbit on.  It does no harm and hopefully it'll take the attention off this thread until we're ready to publish.  And if we never do publish - then so what?  It just means that we'll inevitably be looking at an escalating energy crisis that will put paid to our social comforts.  And then perhaps the evidence will start speaking more loudly.  Because right now these horrors are hell bent on denying it.  And the joke is that neither of them can even manage elementary power analysis.  So it's not as if we can have a decent discussion. 

Just let it go.  It really isn't worth the effort.  They haven't got the wherewithal to know what they're doing.  And I'm not sure that I can blame them for that.  It just is what it is. 

Regards,
Rosemary

rosy, It's funny how you never questioned their ability to perform power analysis when their first observation of your circuit showed that it may have merit. Once they made the proper corrections to their readings and discovered that your circuit is of no value, all of a sudden they are incapable to do elementary power measurements.

Are the people who previously had the impression that your circuit showed signs of COP>1, still in agreement with your findings? What has changed to make them realize the truth about your circuit?

After 10 years, how many replicators are still in agreement with your findings?

If you find an "Expert", which has now been downgraded to an Academic, probably because you could not find and expert who was willing to entertain you, will he too be classified as being incapable of doing elementary power measurements when they reveal the truth about your circuit?

Now that you have a new circuit that has been around for only 2 months or so, will you be doing a continuous battery draw down test on it? I really hope you do not plan to use the same readings of your old circuit and try to apply them to the new circuit.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1606 on: June 25, 2011, 06:46:42 PM »
Aaron also quoted further down on the same thread;

Not to my satisfaction. Because as a heater, COP 17 would be
phenomenal but at only a couple, it isn't worth the time. This is because
a heat pump water heater is 3.0~5 cop and overseas I have seen claims
of 6-7 cop but don't know if those are true, they retrofit any water heater
and replace the resistive elements.

So at minimum, for 600 watts, they already produce as much heat as a
3000+ watt resistive element water heater so cop 2.0 can't even
compete - not by a long-shot.

The Ainslie circuit would have to beat COP 3~5+ just to be able to
compete with simple heat pump technology.


The other document about the strange rosmary case or something like that, was an article that was put together by one of her own team members. I especially like the comment ,"Rosemary graciously agreed to be interviewed for this article from her home in South Africa, and answer a few brief questions". Why wouldn't she. He is part of the team. It really doesn't give the document much credibility at all.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2011, 09:36:42 PM by MrMag »

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1607 on: June 26, 2011, 12:30:17 AM »
Aaron also quoted further down on the same thread;

Not to my satisfaction. Because as a heater, COP 17 would be
phenomenal but at only a couple, it isn't worth the time. This is because
a heat pump water heater is 3.0~5 cop and overseas I have seen claims
of 6-7 cop but don't know if those are true, they retrofit any water heater
and replace the resistive elements.

So at minimum, for 600 watts, they already produce as much heat as a
3000+ watt resistive element water heater so cop 2.0 can't even
compete - not by a long-shot.

The Ainslie circuit would have to beat COP 3~5+ just to be able to
compete with simple heat pump technology.
and this is saying what? that it has been investigated fully by aaron? i think the fact that aaron only achieved a cop of 2 and "efficiencies greater than “4″ have already been recorded in the recent 2009 replications" makes that line of argument moot. are you saying that improvements cannot be made? did the first internal combustion engines have the performance your current car does? etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam. look at what he (aaron) says about heat pumps, "3.0~5 cop and overseas I have seen claims of 6-7 cop". gee, they are making improvements to an old technology even now... see where i'm going with this? probably not. furthermore, the steve windisch article states glen got cop>4 which would put it dead smack in the middle of heat pump tech cop 3-5. how does that not compete as it stands with no improvement?
heck, in the same post he says he got cooling of over 2 degrees from ambient on certain components. "serious reverse entropy" he called it... but that's not worth investigating to you is it?


The other document about the strange rosmary case or something like that, was an article that was put together by one of her own team members. I especially like the comment ,"Rosemary graciously agreed to be interviewed for this article from her home in South Africa, and answer a few brief questions". Why wouldn't she. He is part of the team. It really doesn't give the document much credibility at all.
and in the same article steve interviews glen (fuzzytomcat)... so you are saying glen isn't credible now? for the record, the "team" was rosemary, aaron murakami, glen lettenmaier, harvey gramm, steve windisch, astweth. did i miss any rose?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1608 on: June 26, 2011, 02:02:35 AM »
and this is saying what? that it has been investigated fully by aaron? i think the fact that aaron only achieved a cop of 2 and "efficiencies greater than “4″ have already been recorded in the recent 2009 replications" makes that line of argument moot. are you saying that improvements cannot be made? did the first internal combustion engines have the performance your current car does? etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam. look at what he (aaron) says about heat pumps, "3.0~5 cop and overseas I have seen claims of 6-7 cop". gee, they are making improvements to an old technology even now... see where i'm going with this? probably not. furthermore, the steve windisch article states glen got cop>4 which would put it dead smack in the middle of heat pump tech cop 3-5. how does that not compete as it stands with no improvement?
heck, in the same post he says he got cooling of over 2 degrees from ambient on certain components. "serious reverse entropy" he called it... but that's not worth investigating to you is it?

and in the same article steve interviews glen (fuzzytomcat)... so you are saying glen isn't credible now? for the record, the "team" was rosemary, aaron murakami, glen lettenmaier, harvey gramm, steve windisch, astweth. did i miss any rose?

Well, she has been working on the circuit for 10 years. You would think that there would have been something done with the circuit to show it's usefulness. But then again, it is still questionable if the circuit is overunity. You would also think that she would run a continuous test to prove that the circuit doesn't drain the batteries down as people here requested. I'm not talking about the 17 hour run or the few hours here and there to add up to the watt-hour rating, I'm talking of an extended test period where it would run continuously. It doesn't need to be babysat. Just take the initial battery reading and take it again a couple of months later.

How many of those "team" members still back rose. I think she has alienated most of them. And come on, Steve Windisch, what kind of qualifications does he have, as far as I've seen he is nothing but mouth.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1609 on: June 26, 2011, 03:05:53 AM »
Well, she has been working on the circuit for 10 years. You would think that there would have been something done with the circuit to show it's usefulness. But then again, it is still questionable if the circuit is overunity. You would also think that she would run a continuous test to prove that the circuit doesn't drain the batteries down as people here requested. I'm not talking about the 17 hour run or the few hours here and there to add up to the watt-hour rating, I'm talking of an extended test period where it would run continuously. It doesn't need to be babysat. Just take the initial battery reading and take it again a couple of months later.
i noticed you didn't answer any of my questions...

How many of those "team" members still back rose. I think she has alienated most of them. And come on, Steve Windisch, what kind of qualifications does he have, as far as I've seen he is nothing but mouth.
how about you do a bit of your own due diligence mr. mags? is there something preventing you from reading the time stamp on the post by aaron @ energeticforum other than your love for speculation and assumption? for your lazy convenience, it was posted in early june of 2011... as far as steve's qualifications, you can do you own due diligence there as well... even though they are irrelevant. ::) if you recall, it was glen's 'replication' that steve was referring to when he said cop>4. do you think he just pulled that out of a hat? or do you think maybe that is what glen told him when steve interviewed him...

and as far as i've seen tinselkoala is nothing but mouth... does that now discredit him? or is it only your opinion of someone that is the final arbiter?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1610 on: June 26, 2011, 03:33:15 AM »
i noticed you didn't answer any of my questions...
how about you do a bit of your own due diligence mr. mags? is there something preventing you from reading the time stamp on the post by aaron @ energeticforum other than your love for speculation and assumption? for your lazy convenience, it was posted in early june of 2011... as far as steve's qualifications, you can do you own due diligence there as well... ::)

Yes, I did see the date but thanks for reposting it. Is it speculation and assumption or are they still part of the "team"? I really don't need to look into steve's qualifications. He is an irrelevant pawn in this "team".

and as far as i've seen tinselkoala is nothing but mouth... does that now discredit him? or is it only your opinion of someone that is the final arbiter?

I don't know enough about Tinselkoala to think either way about him. If that is your speculation and assumption, so be it. I am not completely sure of your last comment but it sounds to me that maybe steve is the last team member. Doesn't surprise me if this is the case.

The one thing I don't understand about this team is why are they interviewing each other. I would think that a third party or some independent person would have done the interviews.

ADDED:

FYI, I want to take back what I said against Steve. Although I still think he is being used as rosy's pawn, he has written some very informative documents.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2011, 04:02:21 AM by MrMag »

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1611 on: June 26, 2011, 04:29:17 AM »
mr.mag, why are you avoiding answering the simple questions i asked you?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1612 on: June 26, 2011, 04:54:54 AM »
mr.mag, why are you avoiding answering the simple questions i asked you?

Maybe i'm waiting for your friend rosey to answer mine first.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1613 on: June 26, 2011, 05:03:46 AM »
Dear Wilby,

It is my opinion that you're doing Mags a gross injustice by assuming he is capable of any kind of reasoning.  He, like Cat and even Poynty - still think that I can power up my circuit and let it run for months without supervision.  I've explained that this is not possible.  For some reason the settings 'slip' and and within minutes the temperature on the resistor element reaches dangerous levels.  This 'danger' can be lessened while that element is inserted in water.  But over time, that water will evaporate and under conditions of heat it will evaporate 'at speed'.  Within a brief 2 hours most of that water will have gone.  Then?  What does one do?  Let the 'hot' part of the element melt the plastic container?  And then everything around that element?  But then - OBVIOUSLY - we can insert the element in that much water that it never reaches boiling point.  Which also means that we could also never prove how much heat was being dissipated.  The only way to run the test that Cat, and Poynty DEMAND is that we run it under close supervision.  I'll do this gladly.  Just pay me to make it worth my while.  Because I KNOW that no-one who matters even asks for that test.  And to DEMAND that I run it is PROFOUNDLY UNREASONABLE unless, obviously, there's some promise of recognition for those test results.  And I CERTAINLY don't mean recognition by Mags or Cat. 

Kindest regards Wilby.  Clearly you're tireless.  Me - I'm not so much any more.  This is all getting more than I can manage.

Rosie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1614 on: June 26, 2011, 05:16:39 AM »
Dear Wilby,

It is my opinion that you're doing Mags a gross injustice by assuming he is capable of any kind of reasoning.  He, like Cat and even Poynty - still think that I can power up my circuit and let it run for months without supervision.  I've explained that this is not possible.  For some reason the settings 'slip' and and within minutes the temperature on the resistor element reaches dangerous levels.  This 'danger' can be lessened while that element is inserted in water.  But over time, that water will evaporate and under conditions of heat it will evaporate 'at speed'.  Within a brief 2 hours most of that water will have gone.  Then?  What does one do?  Let the 'hot' part of the element melt the plastic container?  And then everything around that element?  But then - OBVIOUSLY - we can insert the element in that much water that it never reaches boiling point.  Which also means that we could also never prove how much heat was being dissipated.  The only way to run the test that Cat, and Poynty DEMAND is that we run it under close supervision.  I'll do this gladly.  Just pay me to make it worth my while.  Because I KNOW that no-one who matters even asks for that test.  And to DEMAND that I run it is PROFOUNDLY UNREASONABLE unless, obviously, there's some promise of recognition for those test results.  And I CERTAINLY don't mean recognition by Mags or Cat. 

Kindest regards Wilby.  Clearly you're tireless.  Me - I'm not so much any more.  This is all getting more than I can manage.

Rosie

Can you state unequivocally at this point that there is no battery drain in the period of time required to boil water? If not, someone is going to have to do that test.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1615 on: June 26, 2011, 05:28:30 AM »
Can you state unequivocally at this point that there is no battery drain in the period of time required to boil water? If not, someone is going to have to do that test.

Yes Happy.  I can.  Unequivocally.  There is  NO drop in battery voltage.  And the math trace showed zero wattage from the battery - and the mean average showed a negative product and the heat at 80 degrees C was sustained for a period of not less than 80 MINUTES - and then it was taken to an even higher value of 104 degrees C  over a period of another 8 or thereby minutes.  And then I HAD to stop that test, because the last ten minutes indicated that it was now running at runaway wattage values.  And, frankly, I was getting nervous.  But AT NO STAGE WAS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY WATTAGE DEPLETED BY THE BATTERY.  EVERYTHING STAYED AT NEGATIVE VALUES.  Therefore UNEQUIVOCALLY NO ENERGY WAS EXPENDED FROM THE SOURCE.

Regards,
Rosemary

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1616 on: June 26, 2011, 05:46:56 AM »
Dear Wilby,

It is my opinion that you're doing Mags a gross injustice by assuming he is capable of any kind of reasoning.  He, like Cat and even Poynty - still think that I can power up my circuit and let it run for months without supervision.  I've explained that this is not possible.  For some reason the settings 'slip' and and within minutes the temperature on the resistor element reaches dangerous levels.  This 'danger' can be lessened while that element is inserted in water.  But over time, that water will evaporate and under conditions of heat it will evaporate 'at speed'.  Within a brief 2 hours most of that water will have gone.  Then?  What does one do?  Let the 'hot' part of the element melt the plastic container?  And then everything around that element?  But then - OBVIOUSLY - we can insert the element in that much water that it never reaches boiling point.  Which also means that we could also never prove how much heat was being dissipated.  The only way to run the test that Cat, and Poynty DEMAND is that we run it under close supervision.  I'll do this gladly.  Just pay me to make it worth my while.  Because I KNOW that no-one who matters even asks for that test.  And to DEMAND that I run it is PROFOUNDLY UNREASONABLE unless, obviously, there's some promise of recognition for those test results.  And I CERTAINLY don't mean recognition by Mags or Cat. 

Kindest regards Wilby.  Clearly you're tireless.  Me - I'm not so much any more.  This is all getting more than I can manage.

Rosie

Wilby,

Please explain to rosey that she could possibly use the circuit that (I think it was) Poynt showed. Then she would not have to use the external signal generator. Also, she could possibly use oil or glycol instead of water. Please assure her that there are ways that this test could be performed unsupervised. All she would have to do is try to listen to others instead of trying to come off as the all knowing authority.

You can also tell her that possibly the reason "no-one that matters" has asked for this test is that they don't believe in her circuit at all. At least I am, and possibly others are willing to accept her claim if she can prove it through this test. I have never DEMANDED that she do the test, all I have done numerous time is request that she do the test.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1617 on: June 26, 2011, 05:50:32 AM »
Yes Happy.  I can.  Unequivocally.  There is  NO drop in battery voltage.  And the math trace showed zero wattage from the battery - and the mean average showed a negative product and the heat at 80 degrees C was sustained for a period of not less than 80 MINUTES - and then it was taken to an even higher value of 104 degrees C  over a period of another 8 or thereby minutes.  And then I HAD to stop that test, because the last ten minutes indicated that it was now running at runaway wattage values.  And, frankly, I was getting nervous.  But AT NO STAGE WAS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY WATTAGE DEPLETED BY THE BATTERY.  EVERYTHING STAYED AT NEGATIVE VALUES.  Therefore UNEQUIVOCALLY NO ENERGY WAS EXPENDED FROM THE SOURCE.

Regards,
Rosemary

I think this is questionable.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1618 on: June 26, 2011, 06:31:40 AM »
I think this is questionable.
Since you clearly do not have what's needed to 'think with' then your 'thoughts' on this and anything at all - are ENTIRELY irrelevant.
R

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1619 on: June 26, 2011, 07:10:45 AM »
Dear Wilby,

It is my opinion that you're doing Mags a gross injustice by assuming he is capable of any kind of reasoning.
you are absolutely correct... evidenced by his reply #1612
Maybe i'm waiting for your friend rosey to answer mine first.
which is absolutely pathetic. and his third time avoiding my simple, direct questions. i thought from previous conversations he was reasonable. my mistake mr.mag, my mistake...