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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 670039 times)

Offline MrMag

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1515 on: June 20, 2011, 07:53:53 AM »
And if you think for one moment that there are any professionals anywhere in the world who care two hoots if your name is Mr Mags or Dr Dolittle - or Professor Poseur - THEN DISABUSE YOURSELF.  No-one cares.  Evidently.  Not even you.

Golly Rose, I know I don't care what name anyone uses but apparently you do.

Added.  And while I'm at it -  may I also add that I find NOTHING quite as despicable and contemptible and cowardly as the extraordinary freedoms you all indulge in your opinion of my hard work - when you all shelter behind those 'screen names' as Fuzzy rather pathetically refers to it.  If you're going to show the courage of your convictions then post under your own name.  Else there's the very real danger that not only will you be considered a big mouthed bully - but that you're a self-serving hypocritcal coward to boot. JUST LEVEL THOSE PLAYING FIELDS. It's easy playing fast and loose with other people's reputations.  Put your own on the line and be counted.

I honestly don't understand how you cannot figure out exactly what my request was. It's really pretty simple and I think most people here know what I'm talking about. Do you mind telling me exactly what type of background you have. I'm not being sarcastic, I really would like to know.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1516 on: June 20, 2011, 07:54:42 AM »
And as for your laughably UNPROFESSIONAL advice that we put the apparatus outside - in our cape winter - inside an old fridge?  which presumably I get from a junk yard - which will need to be what? Open to the varying conditions of rain, wind and sunshine - typical of our Cape winters - or CLOSED?  In which case when all that water has finally boiled out of the container and transferred itself to the space in that fridge - then the element can got back to it's previous temperature in the region of 300 degrees centigrade - and then it can start to melt the inside of the container of that was holding 0.85 liters of water - then when it's worked its way through that it can drop onto the wall of the fridge and do whatever damage is required there.  And meanwhile that camera will get all steamed up and wrecked.  And the probes that are needed to monitor the applied voltage to ensure the system is still oscillating will be vaporised.  And the scope to which the probes are connected will now be destroyed by their exposure either to the steam from inside the fridge or the rain from outside the fridge - depending on where it's positioned.  And we'll have to use other measuring instruments to track the ambient temperatures as they vary from high to low - hot to cold - windy to windless rain to sunshine - day and night - all of which instruments are likely to UTTERLY unreliable as AMBIENT in and out the fridge will be the sum of an onslaught of variables that would exceed the limits of any quantum averaging.  And then?  When all is destroyed?  What exactly would you conclude - MR MAGS WHO WANTS PROFESSIONAL INPUT? 

As you so eloquently put it Sheesh!!!

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1517 on: June 20, 2011, 08:02:06 AM »
Oh...and Rosemary, since you mentioned the Quantum article.... let's not forget that there was, according to you, an error in that article, in the circuit diagram, remember.... and that the interpretation of the results you got are affected by this grave error. Let's also not forget that I duplicated your reported heat profile results, using the circuit you published in the Quantum article... INCLUDING the error. I am of course talking about your duty cycle confusion.
When I used the duty cycle you CLAIMED to use--3.7 percent ON, very little heating of the load occurred, and many other researchers at the time confirmed this. When I used the duty cycle ACTUALLY delivered by the published circuit from the Quantum article -- 96.3 percent ON--- the load heated up just fine, and closely followed the temp vs. time and the maximum equilibrium temps that you reported in that article.
You will recall how difficult it was for you to admit that the Quantum circuit produced an inverted duty cycle from what you had originally claimed. And I must conclude that you in fact used this mostly ON duty cycle in your original experiment-- since I got substantially the same numbers when I did it that way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18raNyVTL6g&NR=1

In the face of all this, perhaps it would be best if you simply did not mention your Quantum article, because using it as an example of the proper way to do things makes you look all that more laughable.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1518 on: June 20, 2011, 08:17:13 AM »
Oh...and Rosemary, since you mentioned the Quantum article.... let's not forget that there was, according to you, an error in that article, in the circuit diagram, remember.... and that the interpretation of the results you got are affected by this grave error. Let's also not forget that I duplicated your reported heat profile results, using the circuit you published in the Quantum article... INCLUDING the error. I am of course talking about your duty cycle confusion.
When I used the duty cycle you CLAIMED to use--3.7 percent ON, very little heating of the load occurred, and many other researchers at the time confirmed this. When I used the duty cycle ACTUALLY delivered by the published circuit from the Quantum article -- 96.3 percent ON--- the load heated up just fine, and closely followed the temp vs. time and the maximum equilibrium temps that you reported in that article.
You will recall how difficult it was for you to admit that the Quantum circuit produced an inverted duty cycle from what you had originally claimed. And I must conclude that you in fact used this mostly ON duty cycle in your original experiment-- since I got substantially the same numbers when I did it that way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18raNyVTL6g&NR=1

In the face of all this, perhaps it would be best if you simply did not mention your Quantum article, because using it as an example of the proper way to do things makes you look all that more laughable.

TK.  You offer a person that extraordinary comfort of predictability.  I ALSO seem to recall that I went through the absurd lengths of APOLOGISING for a mistake in the duty cycle as CLAIMED by ONLY YOU.  THEN - fortunately - MANY RALLIED TO PROVE THAT THERE WAS, INDEED NO MISTAKE.  Then I RETRACTED that apology.  Where you are true to type is that you remember the one event and forget the other.  History within the excessively limiting constraints of your SELECTIVE recall.  It's a kind of character determinant.  Something on the lines of an Achilles heel.  Much required for propaganda purposes.  Nothing whatsoever to do with FACTS.  It's why you also manage to CLAIM to take water to boil but OMIT to relate that you did this at NO APPARENT BENEFIT TO THE SYSTEM.  I'm under the general impression that one can take 'water to boil' with nothing more dramatic than a small fire under a tin can.  Alternatively, one can use thermonuclear energy or indeed electric energy.  Take your pick.  Nothing exceptional there that I know of.

Anyway - it's nice to see you rise up - yet again - like the phoenix from it's own ashes.  But I do wish you'd transmute into a more reasonable and scientific version of your former self.  Your previous rendition was patently less than effective.  You need to do better.

Rosie

Offline MrMag

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1519 on: June 20, 2011, 08:19:39 AM »
And as for your laughably UNPROFESSIONAL advice that we put the apparatus outside - in our cape winter - inside an old fridge?  which presumably I get from a junk yard - which will need to be what? Open to the varying conditions of rain, wind and sunshine - typical of our Cape winters - or CLOSED?  In which case when all that water has finally boiled out of the container and transferred itself to the space in that fridge - then the element can got back to it's previous temperature in the region of 300 degrees centigrade - and then it can start to melt the inside of the container of that was holding 0.85 liters of water - then when it's worked its way through that it can drop onto the wall of the fridge and do whatever damage is required there.  And meanwhile that camera will get all steamed up and wrecked.  And the probes that are needed to monitor the applied voltage to ensure the system is still oscillating will be vaporised.  And the scope to which the probes are connected will now be destroyed by their exposure either to the steam from inside the fridge or the rain from outside the fridge - depending on where it's positioned.  And we'll have to use other measuring instruments to track the ambient temperatures as they vary from high to low - hot to cold - windy to windless rain to sunshine - day and night - all of which instruments are likely to UTTERLY unreliable as AMBIENT in and out the fridge will be the sum of an onslaught of variables that would exceed the limits of any quantum averaging.  And then?  When all is destroyed?  What exactly would you conclude - MR MAGS WHO WANTS PROFESSIONAL INPUT? 

As you so eloquently put it Sheesh!!!

I really don't know why you are bringing this up again. You said you weren't going to do it anyways. My point was that it could be done very easily and at a much lower cost then you mentioned. I was just pointing out a way that it could be done without anyone standing there watching it 24/7. You can say what you like, it doesn't bother me. You just have to agree that it could be done without someone sitting in front of it. And, you don't need a scope or anything hooked up to it. Just hook it up and let it run. If you will do the test, we could take a serious look at ways to enclose the device safely and try to minimize damage if a fire occurs.

Why are you so defensive and what's with all the name calling. You've called me more things in the last 4 days then I've been called in all the time I've been here. Please don't look at me as a threat, I only asked you to do a simple test and I still don't know if you understand what I am asking. TK seemed to explain it maybe a little better then I did, but I don't think I deserve all the things you've been saying. Please be a little more lady like.

Can you please tell me about your background.

Best Regards,
Mr. Mag

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1520 on: June 20, 2011, 08:36:21 AM »
My background and my history and anything at all about me is MY BUSINESS.  What you need to take cognisance of MR MAGS is that you unwittingly BOUGHT INTO the general consensus of my dependable stupidities.  And then you PRESUMED to post accordingly.  That comment 'I'm inclined to see why it is that people call you delusional' - the PATRONISING PRESUMPTION to advise me on measurement requirements when it's been the ENTIRE FOCUS of my work for over 10 years.  You like most readers here NEED that perspective - because it gives you the fleeting and much needed illusion that your opinion matters at all.

I have been the VICTIM of the single most focused attack of any member of any of these forums.  The reason for this is because I'm onto something.  That attack HAS WORKED.  It's managed to persuade you all that our contributions are VALUELESS.  And that's the TRAGEDY.  SO.  If you expect me to indulge the fact that YOU TOO HAVE BEEN DUPED - then may I caution you.  It makes my blood boil.  I rather REQUIRE those who are still able to EVALUATE things for themselves.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1521 on: June 20, 2011, 09:26:23 AM »
My background and my history and anything at all about me is MY BUSINESS. 

That's fine, I only asked. The reason I asked is that it seems that you try to come across as being highly educated yet you talk like you have some type of phobia. I'm not sure what it's called but you have to put others down to try to make yourself seem better or smarter then them. It is a bit amusing.

What you need to take cognisance of MR MAGS is that you unwittingly BOUGHT INTO the general consensus of my dependable stupidities.  And then you PRESUMED to post accordingly.  That comment 'I'm inclined to see why it is that people call you delusional'

If you reread your past posts to me, you will see where I would of come to that conclusion.

the PATRONISING PRESUMPTION to advise me on measurement requirements when it's been the ENTIRE FOCUS of my work for over 10 years.  You like most readers here NEED that perspective - because it gives you the fleeting and much needed illusion that your opinion matters at all.

It's just hard to believe that in the last 10 years that you haven't tried to run the system continuously. (longer then 17 hours). I would also think that you are in need some type of opinions. 10 years and there is still questions on how to take measurements. Come on, something is wrong, you do need help. A few batteries, a handful of parts and still no idea if it actually works after 10 years.

I have been the VICTIM of the single most focused attack of any member of any of these forums.  The reason for this is because I'm onto something.  That attack HAS WORKED.  It's managed to persuade you all that our contributions are VALUELESS.  And that's the TRAGEDY.  SO.  If you expect me to indulge the fact that YOU TOO HAVE BEEN DUPED - then may I caution you.  It makes my blood boil.  I rather REQUIRE those who are still able to EVALUATE things for themselves.

Is it really an attack or are people just trying to explain things to you and you are taking it as an attack. It's hard for me to believe that people in an overunity forum would attack you if you were onto something. I want free energy just as much as you and everyone else here does. If we didn't, we wouldn't be here. All I did was ask you to do a simple test that most people would have done in the first month of the discovery. Here after 10 years you haven't even done that. I'm not talking about your batteries. I'm saying run the complete circuit for a couple of months or so to see if the batteries loose their charge. No scope, just run the circuit and see what happens when the test is complete. I also read one of your posts where you say there are many uses for your circuit. In the last 10 years have you tried any of these? I really think that you can get 50 experts together and if they tell you that you are wrong, you still won't agree with them.

You really need to take a break. You've been talking in circles. Earlier on you said if we wanted to do the test we should do it ourselves and then you say that you don't want us to do it. Even this last statement. You say that our opinion don't matter at all and then you say that you require those who are still able to evaluate things for themselves. So I guess that means that you only want to hear from those who agree with you. I just hope you don't take it real bad when you realize that you have wasted 10 years of your life because of a measurement error.

I wish you luck, but things don't look to promising from where I'm at.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1522 on: June 20, 2011, 10:08:58 AM »
Mr Mag.  If you were not quite such an intellectual lightweight I'd argue your last post.  But as the significance of what I write ENTIRELY eludes you - then I must needs let it pass.

And Poynty - just a reminder.  We need to see the result of that Q2 as it impacts on the waveform across the shunt.  Please oblige.  You must have it there as you show -5 volts across something.  Not sure if it's the shunt or the battery.

Regards,
Rosemary

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1523 on: June 20, 2011, 10:34:09 AM »
At least I know how to measure a voltage  ;D

Regards,

(insert any name here)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1524 on: June 20, 2011, 02:30:21 PM »
And Poynty - just a reminder.  We need to see the result of that Q2 as it impacts on the waveform across the shunt.  Please oblige.  You must have it there as you show -5 volts across something.  Not sure if it's the shunt or the battery.

Regards,
Rosemary

I've shown the "incorrect" battery voltage trace only thus far. That is what the green trace is in the scope shots. If you followed and understood my detailed analysis, it should be obvious why this measurement point is incorrect and why it yields an erroneous power computation if sampled by the scope and used as v(t) rather than AVGv(t). The only way to obtain an accurate AVG Pin measurement using this displaced battery voltage measurement point that I've referred to as "vbat", is if it is averaged before being multiplied by the battery current.

One of the fundamental issues that was addressed in my detailed analysis was that taking the instantaneous battery voltage at that measurement point was erroneous. I showed it here again only for comparison sake to those shown throughout the analysis. Using that voltage measurement results in a negative average battery power. Using the "correct" measurement point directly across the 72V battery yields a positive average battery power, just as I illustrated before. I know this because I ran a couple of tests yesterday to confirm.

There is a huge amount of work that goes into doing these sims and producing the labeled wave form scope shots etc. Over the last month and a half I've easily put in over 140 hours of my time doing these sims, scope shots, and technical write-ups.

It would seem that you do not yet understand the schematic I posted; no, the FG is applying -5V to the MOSFET Source, not the shunt nor the battery.

The traces I showed are of the erroneous "vbat" node, at the far end of the battery wiring. I will post the CSR wave form later today if I have time.

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1525 on: June 20, 2011, 07:29:50 PM »
At least I know how to measure a voltage  ;D

Regards,

(insert any name here)
but you don't know how many lemons it takes to light a filament bulb... ::)

if you guys would stop moving the goalposts (you do it so often it has become ridiculously asinine...) and if you "experts" could come up with an agreed upon protocol instead of each of you bloviating different methods of what is the "best" and/or only method to measure this device we might see some progress... ::)

and one more time for the cheap seats... since you and happy and catty can't seem to do the very thing you are accusing rose of... which is read what was written
And again.  A 7.5 hour test period is DOABLE.  I will happily oblige.  But we'll still be left with a ZERO DISCHARGE.  I'll report this.  No-one will believe it.  They'll ask for double.  Then they'll ask for triple.  And so it goes.  Finally they'll ask for 130 days.  If no-one is satisfied, by now that there is a zero discharge to the battery, then THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT WILL SATISFY ANYONE EVER THAT THE BATTERIES ARE NOT DISCHARGING.

And frankly - even at the end of that monitoring period I am ABSOLUTELY SATISFIED that NO-ONE WILL ACCEPT THAT EVIDENCE. 

SO.  DO NOT ASK ME TO RUN THAT BATTERY CONTINUOUSLY.  We've done this.
Rosemary


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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1526 on: June 20, 2011, 11:24:49 PM »
but you don't know how many lemons it takes to light a filament bulb... ::)

if you guys would stop moving the goalposts (you do it so often it has become ridiculously asinine...) and if you "experts" could come up with an agreed upon protocol instead of each of you bloviating different methods of what is the "best" and/or only method to measure this device we might see some progress... ::)

and one more time for the cheap seats... since you and happy and catty can't seem to do the very thing you are accusing rose of... which is read what was written

After all these years I should know better than to respond to your post, as generally you seem to thrive on confrontation, so I'll give it one shot ;D

Your defence of Rosie's work indicates that you believe that it actually works and she has achieved OU, is this blind faith in what she is telling you or have you actually done a practical test ?

You probably intend to answer this by attacking me and my level of knowledge in these matters and asking me why I have not done the test myself.
I generally find myself guided by others on the forum and over the years have come to trust the judgement (generally) of certainn members.
In this link Wilby you will recognise members from this forum they all failed to match that OU claim
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=videos&search_query=Rosemary+Ainslie+circuit&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&suggested_categories=28&uni=3

Over the years that I have  followed these threads of Rosie's I have hoped that successful replications were going to start appearing within a reasonable amount of time,  specially as Rosie comes across as being sincere and dedicated, 
unfortunately  after all these years there have been no successful replications of Rosie circuit by anyone here,
but of course we have not seen your replication Wilby, if I believe as strongly as you do that this circuit works as claimed I would have started replication a long time ago.

I have a lot of respect for Rosie's dedication and I believe there has to be a way of making an OU device I just don't believe Rosie's device is it,  research yes  claiming OU no

It would be fantastic Wilby if you could show the members here how to make this circuit work as claimed.

catty ;)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1527 on: June 21, 2011, 02:43:22 AM »
TK.  You offer a person that extraordinary comfort of predictability.  I ALSO seem to recall that I went through the absurd lengths of APOLOGISING for a mistake in the duty cycle as CLAIMED by ONLY YOU.  THEN - fortunately - MANY RALLIED TO PROVE THAT THERE WAS, INDEED NO MISTAKE.  Then I RETRACTED that apology.  Where you are true to type is that you remember the one event and forget the other.  History within the excessively limiting constraints of your SELECTIVE recall.  It's a kind of character determinant.  Something on the lines of an Achilles heel.  Much required for propaganda purposes.  Nothing whatsoever to do with FACTS.  It's why you also manage to CLAIM to take water to boil but OMIT to relate that you did this at NO APPARENT BENEFIT TO THE SYSTEM.  I'm under the general impression that one can take 'water to boil' with nothing more dramatic than a small fire under a tin can.  Alternatively, one can use thermonuclear energy or indeed electric energy.  Take your pick.  Nothing exceptional there that I know of.

Anyway - it's nice to see you rise up - yet again - like the phoenix from it's own ashes.  But I do wish you'd transmute into a more reasonable and scientific version of your former self.  Your previous rendition was patently less than effective.  You need to do better.

Rosie
Rosemary, I am ashamed for you. You know that what you say above simply isn't true, and so do several others reading here. I invite ANYONE and EVERYONE to build the 555 timer circuit as specified in the original Quantum article, or simulate it using whatever circuit sims you like, and report your results here.

As far as "claiming" to boil water using YOUR original circuit and a LOAD which MATCHED your original reported parameters: you can see it for yourself, if you ever figure out how to view YT videos. I've already given the link above.

GO ON....  ANYONE.... build the circuit. If you can't find the original Quantum diagram that HAS NOT BEEN EDITED.... here it is:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/99a0a1d879266d1bb50a2c40c9e6cc5f0c8e30e32706364361cf95514355a1d65g.jpg
Even your one-time sycophant Err-on had to admit I was right, finally.

And in case there is any further doubt about the performance of that circuit:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/c0a9d8c2e307dd7bddd9ae2c6a16abf694b48c90ed2abb5f467e9cc0d333ef615g.jpg
And here is the scope shot of your circuit heating in the above experiment, using your preferred oscilloscope, showing your specified "random aperiodic Hartley oscillations" that you specified as necessary for your effect.
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/f1ddc6a0bf5d36f2ece82f50c6ff02c00bf697f2ab212d386b983f6d18bec4265g.jpg


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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1528 on: June 21, 2011, 02:59:59 AM »
@MrMag: You politely asked about Rosemary's background, and for some reason she bristled at you.

But over the years, she has revealed quite a lot. IIRC (and please correct me if I am wrong, Rosie) she has no post-secondary education, no mathematics education beyond simple algebra, certainly no calculus. Her "high school" was what we might call "alternative" here in the good old USA.

She is self-taught wrt physics in general and electronics in particular, and until she started posting here and on Energetic Forum, she had no idea what, for example, a capacitor was or what it was for.

She believes that a scientific theory can be made up out of whole cloth and doesn't need to make testable predictions or be consistent with current knowledge... have you read her "zipon theory" which she says will replace QED? And yet it makes not a single numerical prediction....

For a long time she referred to her "Patent" as if she had a... well... patent, or something. Unfortunately this "patent" turned out to be an APPLICATION for an international patent, which was never granted and which application was allowed to lapse. For a while, she posted a paper submission under IEEE header, that was REJECTED by IEEE.

She has been pursuing this line of... er.... reasoning for years on many websites. I first started following her on the Naked Scientists forum years ago. She has been banned from NS, EF, and has had several "enforced breaks" from this forum.

Nobody, but nobody, has been able to charge up a battery "overunity" or show excess heat production using her circuits. I have, however, shown that the high-voltage spike produced by her circuit can be siphoned off and used to charge capacitors or EXTERNAL batteries. As can any inductive spike from any inductive collapse circuit, even a Joule Thief.

Other than that, she seems like a benign little old lady from South Africa, who would be better off making tangerine marmalade in her kitchen, than messing with MOSFETS.

BTW, I have repeatedly challenged the Rosie supporters to apply the same output power calculations they like to use on her circuit, to my TinselKoil, and report the COP that they find.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1529 on: June 21, 2011, 05:03:19 AM »
Here are the CSR voltage v(t) and v(avg) traces with the Q1 body diode installed as shown in the schematic.

Pin(avg) = 72V x 103mV/0.25 = 29.7W

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