Mags the Self runner man 
now that's what Rosie needs  the whole world needs,
no one can argue with a Self runner, it's either runs or it doesn't 
very exciting 

Guys - it seems that I've been locked out of commenting on Poynty's thread where he's trying to get averaging accepted for input measurement.  Not sure if this is a general prelude to a banning - but I certainly think it speaks to Poynty's inability to tackle any argument without gagging the counter argument.  I have lost all respect for the man - if such he is.  And then he's got the unspeakable arrogance to demand that my input be ignored - and that it's mere 'babble'?  Golly.

Would you lose your financial support base if you lost that averaging argument Poynty Point?  You're that frantic one could almost think that your livelihood depends on it.  And it's simply a repeat of the argument that you advanced on your own forum.  If you don't want us members to comment then perhaps you should just have told us that it's a monologue.  And that you 'brook no argument'.  Good heavens.  You've already settled your argument.  You're just advising us that this is now to be considered to be correct - as per POYNTY's REQUIRED LAW OF AVERAGING.  Science by Edict.  Where will we go next? 

The sad news is that it's wrong.  But it's also irrelevant.  It's been used in the wild hope that this will then negate our own measurements.  Far from it.  We're happy with averaging.  It still indicates a COP Infinity.  That was not the point of the demonstration.  You just don't get it.  Or if you do, you're hoping no-one else does.

If you think my writing is nonsensical babble - then know this.  It it my opinion that you have rather squandered your own intellectual muscle to the need to be right.  And then you've managed to immerse yourself in irrelevancies.  Which is  shame.  Either way.  You've certainly invested way more emotion in this debate - if such it is -  than intellect.

Kindest regards nonetheless
Rosemary

edited.  sorry I wrote forum. 

Mags:

Excellent work!!!  Will we be able to see this in a video sometime soon?  That would be great.

Bill

Magluvin,

You should know as it appears you are unaware, that not only are you off-topic, but the topic of capacitor energy transfer and the so-called "discovery" has been covered a number of times elsewhere in this forum. What you really need before you get that drink, is to obtain a clear understanding of capacitors, capacitor voltage, and the energy stored in them. THEN you will know why and how you are able to charge up these capacitors to higher voltages.

Here are a few links to get you started in your quest:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8334.msg210138#msg210138
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8334.msg210142#msg210142 (read this file carefully)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6090.msg143812#msg143812
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4419.msg148098#msg148098

So you may see that you are not the first to have fallen into the trap involving capacitor energy transfer, and likely you won't be the last.

.99

Hey point

Actually Rose had asked me to post results here, and there are some others paying close attn also. =]

It appears you havnt been paying much attn.    But how could I convince you otherwise, you wont build it.
If you keep believing the formula are correct, then you are doomed.

Let me ask you something. 
If you have a 10uf cap at 10v
How much energy does that cap hold? An ideal cap for simplicity.

Now connect that cap to another empty 10uf cap so that each has 5v.

Now you have 2 10uf caps at 5v = 20uf cap at 5v. 
How much energy is in a 20uf cap at 5v?

If you have calculated anything less than 100% you are wrong. They are wrong. He is out of order, your all out of order!!  lol

Seriously.  I know ya think Im a freak. I dig it.  Im Magfreakinluvin.


Now tell me how much energy is in the 10uf 10v vs 20uf 5v.

After you tell me 50% loss, I will spit on my shoe and shine it with pride, that I know what is what, and you do not.

Run some tests, spice or on the bench, tell me what you see in these questions I propose to you Point.  If you dont you will never know. ;]

Run the 10uf 10v cap through a 100ohm resistor
Then the 20uf 5v cap through a 50ohm resistor
Each will start out at 1A and descending till drained. Tell me how long it took for each instance Point.

I dont know you Point. But I am just showing you the same respect you had just shown me, and I may have learned ya sumthin.  ;]

Buld it, then you can tell me otherwise.  Does anyone agree? Anyone?

Be cordial and so will I. We can be friends and learn new things.

It wont take you long to become a Believer when you try. I have done all the work to get you to the objective. Convert a 10uf at 10v to a 10uf cap at 13v, energy used to do the switching has not been taken from the circuit to keep the ideal function pure, so we know exactly what is in and out through the process. It is done this way all the time.

Point, if you know about what Ive been doing here the last couple weeks, Ive gone through several pains of saying, na, cant be, its all wrong.  Then I climb out of the box for some fresh air, and it is all too clear. Crystal.     You may have to empty your cup for this one. ;]

Its easy. No complex waveforms to debate, no disrespect Rose ;], no measurements that could be denied, just what was in vs what was out.  The text books will have you climbing the walls Point as you see what is going on in this circuit. Once you see that we can take a 10uf cap at 10v and end up with a 10uf cap at 13-14v, will you still question me? For what? I told ya that was the objective. Where will I have been wrong then, in any way?

We can be cool about this. Its up to you.  ;]

Mags

hey Pirate

Im working on it. The way you lay out circuits means a lot when considering options. ;]  But have come up with a way by just having 3 circuits in a row. When the first cap is loaded to say 1000v, that is all the energy that will be transferred from beginning to end, no other outside input. Each stage will lower the source caps voltage down to about .7 of the source, and the flywheel takes care of filling the receiver to the same voltage as the source. Now we have 2 caps at .7 of the source. Double the capacitance for the next stage source.
The rest is in my last couple posts in the igniter thread. I should have something this week. =]

Thanks Evolvingape.   I hope that was a positive post. ;]

Mags

Golly Magsy - I've just woken up to all this.   Really great stuff.  I'm just going to get back there and read it all again.

WELL DONE MAGSY.  It's looking good.

Rosie

thanks Rose

Im beddyby.  ;]    Im glad you see it also. I have improvements coming tomorrow. 

Night Rose


Mags