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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 711551 times)

Offline poynt99

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #795 on: April 23, 2011, 10:43:34 PM »
   I think Rosemary's whole reason for doing these various circuits and measurements is to help validate her thesis which is based on unorthodox physics not commonly believed to exist. I fail to understand why anyone would expect tests run on a simulation based on the current physics that Rose is trying to contradict to show her new concepts? Of course the simulation is going to show a different results than Her team gets, what would be the point in doing any of this if it could just be run on a simulation?
    Oh well I had to ask, Rose I haven't said hello for a while good luck.
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vonwolf,

You should aim to follow along more closely. ;)

1) Rosemary and her team have in fact performed simulations of a variation of what I just did above (config. 1 rather than config. 2) which she posted on her blog yesterday. If they added in 2uH of inductance on each side of the battery as I have, their results would be a lot closer to those obtained from the real apparatus.

2) Rather than flat out stating that the results can't be correct because they are a simulation, kindly point out exactly what is not correct? I was able to show a net negative CSR voltage (have you examined the posts?), and that in itself goes against "unorthodox physics" as you put it. The results using the same measurement points also show a net power going back to the battery. Do you actually understand this and can you explain why the simulation shows this?

I wouldn't say the simulation has showed results that are all that different than what her team has obtained. Please provide some detail as to what you mean exactly. btw, you also missed the fact that Rose is very interested in seeing that this can be achieved in a simulation. That is why she has been asking me for details on my previous simulations and why she has been running them herself (or her team has).

I trust that should catch you up somewhat.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #796 on: April 23, 2011, 10:45:11 PM »
Have you seen this post above?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10407.msg282734#msg282734

I'm quite aware of the negative power indication when the W probe is placed on any source, and this is correct as I pointed out both in the above post, and on the scope shot text.

Sorry, my bad. I need to read the details, this thread has a high update rate with a lot of details. I still trying to catch up.
Interesting simulation, and good you're aware of the source power polarity issue of PSpice.
I learned it the hard way myself.....

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #797 on: April 23, 2011, 10:51:18 PM »
That point has been made more than once - ie. no simulation software can simulate scalar waves etc. whether by accident or design.  Yet they keep being put forward as 'proof' that the real circuit must be wrong!  That said, I think Rosemary actually asked for some of these simulations to be done, so she can't complain too loudly...

What exactly are scalar waves sprocket, and what do they have to do with the Ainslie circuit and this thread topic?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #798 on: April 23, 2011, 10:58:45 PM »
Here are the PSpice 10.5 files for the "Q1" configuration.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #799 on: April 23, 2011, 11:46:41 PM »
What exactly are scalar waves sprocket, and what do they have to do with the Ainslie circuit and this thread topic?

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Longitudinal waves as opposed to the Hertzian wave "FE is impossible" club you obviously belong to! As to its relevancy, I think I'm right in saying that Rosemary has stated already that in her opinion, the alleged 'artifact' cannot be modelled with simulation software - so let me direct the same question to you, what are you doing here flooding her thread with simulations, and what has it got to do with the thread topic?     

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #800 on: April 23, 2011, 11:49:53 PM »

I think the folks here could benefit from seeing something helpful in your posts. Acting like a smartass does not quite qualify.

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LOL @ the Pontiff
 
i shall continue to post whatever i believe to be most apposite at the time


i'm not drawing any conclusions as to whether Rosemary's current experiment is valid or invalid until i see relevant data from her (or her team)

members of OU.com will gauge you by your treatment of her - and beating on Rosemary with a big stick is unlikely to convince her to comply with your demands



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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #801 on: April 24, 2011, 12:09:51 AM »
LOL @ the Pontiff
 
i shall continue to post whatever i believe to be most apposite at the time
...and so shall I.

I know you're a big fan and can't help yourself, but kindly refrain from the lame 'poynt' references. I certainly have not ever made them myself using your moniker (up until your lesson that is).

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i'm not drawing any conclusions as to whether Rosemary's current experiment is valid or invalid until i see relevant data from her (or her team)
You will be waiting a very long time then my friend.

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members of OU.com will gauge you by your treatment of her - and beating on Rosemary with a big stick is unlikely to convince her to comply with your demands
Perhaps. The only thing that IS important however, is that one be truthful, forthcoming, and willing to learn and accept when they've made an error. IMO, we've not seen much of that from Rose.

If I'm wrong in any of my assertions, or my analysis, please clearly point it out. There is much emotional flak being thrown at it all, but no one can seem to muster any kind of technical argument one way or the other. Why don't you start nul?

I'm interested in the truth. Why aren't you?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #802 on: April 24, 2011, 12:36:13 AM »
Longitudinal waves as opposed to the Hertzian wave "FE is impossible" club you obviously belong to! As to its relevancy, I think I'm right in saying that Rosemary has stated already that in her opinion, the alleged 'artifact' cannot be modelled with simulation software - so let me direct the same question to you, what are you doing here flooding her thread with simulations, and what has it got to do with the thread topic?   

What exactly is a Longitudinal wave, sprocket? How is it related to the Ainslie device and this thread?

I'm performing simulations (similar to those done by Rose) at this time to address some real issues with the current status quo. I'm examining the circuit at a level necessary to scope out unseen pitfalls in the measurements being taken by her and her team.

What are you doing here that is constructive in any way?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #803 on: April 24, 2011, 01:08:11 AM »
What exactly is a Longitudinal wave, sprocket? How is it related to the Ainslie device and this thread?

I'm performing simulations (similar to those done by Rose) at this time to address some real issues with the current status quo. I'm examining the circuit at a level necessary to scope out unseen pitfalls in the measurements being taken by her and her team.

What are you doing here that is constructive in any way?

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Longitudinal waves is where Tesla said the magic lies and that is good enough for me!  If you are looking for me to get all technical then you are going to be disappointed - or not as is probably the case.  Or are you suggesting that they do not exist?  If that's not the case, does current simulation software model them - that's a question, since you apparently specialise in this area? This I already asked in the form of a question, but you ignored that!

Are you suggesting that I do not have a right to post on a public forum, whereas its permissible for you to hound Rosemary Ainslie from forum to forum, trash her threads, all the while denying her a venue on you own forum?  Come to think of it, what are you even doing here at OU?  If you think your piss-poor attitude is somwhow going to scare me off, you are sadly mistaken.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #804 on: April 24, 2011, 02:28:41 AM »
You trying to educate me about how SPICE can not simulate scalar or longitudinal waves when you can not even tell me what they are, I find quite comical, and frankly, it's pitiable.

Regarding the question, let me try to be more specific, since you have apparently mistaken the context:

What have you posted in this thread that has been constructive in any way? How have you been able to help progress the collective goal of understanding the circuit, the measurements, the actual connections, the real schematic, the assumptions, the oversights, etc. etc.? don't bother answering btw.  ::)

By doing the simulations and posting the results, insights and conclusions, I am providing at the very least, food for thought, and hopefully at best, the actual solutions to the enigma we're involve in here.

I would very much like to focus on getting to the bottom of this very technical challenge, so if you don't mind, I would suggest that unless you have some specific technical issue you wish to address me with, you refrain from engaging in any further flame throwing along my direction. This applies to more than just you.

Thanks,

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #805 on: April 24, 2011, 02:57:24 AM »
LOL, I figured I'd get a response like that - "look everybody, I'm smarter than he is!!!"  Sigh, you really are that childishly pathetic.

I also like the way you avoided a direct question - Tesla's too big a game for you!  You and your motives really are transparent.

If you were at all interested in proving/disproving this thesis you'd open a thread of your own and stop trashing others.  The reason you don't is that you know quite well that it would fizzle out in no time, with you being the only one posting there - a bit like your crappy forum.  Why?  'cos anyone with more than a passing interest FE is familiar with your tactics and knows what a prick you are!!!

What's really sad is that Stephan allows vermin like you to do this.  He and this forum have obviously sold out long ago.

That said, I realise that I'm just adding to the noise here, which contrary to what you post, is exactly your intent.  So you're on IGNORE from now on.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #806 on: April 24, 2011, 03:04:53 AM »
LOL, I figured I'd get a response like that - "look everybody, I'm smarter than he is!!!"  Sigh, you really are that childishly pathetic.

I also like the way you avoided a direct question - Tesla's too big a game for you!  You and your motives really are transparent.

If you were at all interested in proving/disproving this thesis you'd open a thread of your own and stop trashing others.  The reason you don't is that you know quite well that it would fizzle out in no time, with you being the only one posting there - a bit like your crappy forum.  Why?  'cos anyone with more than a passing interest FE is familiar with your tactics and knows what a prick you are!!!

What's really sad is that Stephan allows vermin like you to do this. He and this forum have obviously sold out long ago.

That said, I realise that I'm just adding to the noise here, which contrary to what you post, is exactly your intent.  So you're on IGNORE from now on.
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #807 on: April 24, 2011, 04:13:29 AM »
Guys - especially Sprocket, Mags and Pete

This is very important.  Please read it carefully.

I have a very real concern that I think needs an answer.  I'm not sure what 'time' is applicable to any one of you - and since we're scattered around various time zones then it's possible that our computers either conform to our own time zones or to something preset here.  I have never myself 'joined up' as a member.  Harti always did this for me - just to accommodate my own idiocy.  I have grave diffculties doing this.  So I'm not sure what 'settings' were applied here.  But what I KNOW is this.

I posted my schematic on my blogspot - because I still find it relatively easy to do that there.  Within a heartbeat Poynty copied this to his post

« Reply #741 on: April 21, 2011, 02:43:47 PM

Within 10 minutes of posting that schematic on my blogspot I posted this.

« Reply #747 on: April 21, 2011, 07:35:47 PM »

IN EFFECT what has happened here is this.  REGARDLESS of the time zones - what this shows is that Poynty was able to INSERT a post - set to a time that PRECEDED MY OWN PUBLIC POST AND MY NOTIFICATION OF THAT BLOG POST HERE - BY A COOL 5 HOURS.

He absolutely COULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS without being a moderator on this forum and on this thread.  And that gives some considerable pause for thought. 

You will then notice that he has also been given permission by Harti - to say pretty well as much as he needs to or wants to - and you will notice that Harti himself SAYS NOTHING.  One assumes he is too busy.  I wonder if I could impose on either Harti OR Poynty - to explain how they managed that post.

And Mags - it's true that we have 10 minutes or thereby to  edit.  I MARK my edits REGARDLESS - because I've been widely accused of 'going back' and changing my posts.  I OFTEN DO.  But it's because I'm relatively blind.  I can only really read them once they're posted.  And then I edit them.  I've now learned about the 'preview' function and am doing a bit better.  But neither you nor I can insert posts and we CERTAINLY can't change that time. 

I am now of the opinion that I am about to be booted off this forum.  Let me explain why.  TK was given carte blanche and full license to say what he wanted to get rid of me or the technolgy.  At the time I carried the dubious distinction of being banned from the forum without even joining.  More often than not my view of the thread was blocked via my IP address.  Then Glen was given license to flame my threads to death and certain closure.  And RIGHT NOW Poynty has clearly been given the same license. 

Then.  There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with my emails.  Usually I am given 'due notice' via email of anyone posting.  I have RECEIVED NO NOTIFICATION OF THESE LATEST POSTS.  It happens EVERY TIME there's a sequence of postings that REALLY need an answer.  AGAIN.  That can only happen with the active co-operation of Harti. 

So.  I'm alerting you to the fact that I am possibly about to be kicked off here.  And secondly that Poynty is 'flaming' this thread with the full knowledge and approval of Harti - IF NOT WITH HIS ACTUAL STATUS AS A MODERATOR HERE.

WHAT GIVES??

ALSO.  I'll answer Poynty's POINTS.  God help us all.  Why do you guys not see the absolute NONSENSE he's applied to those measurements?  That troubles me more than anything.  Clearly he can get away with saying anything he wants IF he can also get away with such ASBURD NONSENSE on power measurements.  It's an ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY.  It is ERRONEOUS.  In fact it's LAUGHABLY incorrect.  It's ENTIRELY UNSCIENTIFIC.  What Poynty has done is FUDGED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.  But I have a problem.  We've got our 'gathering of the clans' as it's EASTER SUNDAY.  I wont be able to get back here before 3.00 this afternoon. But I see how REQUIRED this is.

If I've been banned before then - PLEASE CHECK OUT MY BLOG.  In fact, if I disappear from here GO TO THAT BLOG.  Perhaps I can impose on Pete or someone here to link to the blog if I get banned.  Otherwise I'll have absolutely NO VOICE to answer this absolute nonsense.
 
Kindest regards,
Rosemary

AND HAPPY EASTER TO those of us who celebrate.  In fact it's a festive time for just about all our religions.  So.  To everyone - HAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY. 

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #808 on: April 24, 2011, 04:25:08 AM »
Regarding Hum's suggestion for moving the CSR, here are some results.

The CSR was moved right next to the battery as shown, while the 200nH inductance was left at the Q1 Source in order to maintain circuit oscillation.

The battery voltage is taken either with a DMM (valid) or with a scope probe. The CSR voltage is also taken either with a DMM (valid) or a scope probe. Note however that the CSR scope probe needs to be reversed so that the common can be at the battery negative terminal. This works out quite nicely, but note that the power value will come to a positive number, not negative.

The battery power is obtained by:

Vbat * MEAN[Vcsr] * 4 =>
72V * 120.6mV * 4 ~ 34.7W (should be negative)

Note the previous battery power measurement taken using the direct P(t) method in PSpice, was -33.3W. I changed the circuit slightly by moving the CSR and leaving an inductance in the Source, so this may account for the small difference in the measurement. At any rate, the two values correlate well.

Recall when the CSR was located at the Q1 Source, the power computation resulted in a figure of -9.94W. This is not only the incorrect polarity (should be positive), but it is off by a factor of 3x.

In conclusion, it has been shown that taking both the battery and CSR voltage measurements directly across their terminals, and with the CSR located as close to the battery as possible (outside of the MOSFET Vgs loop) will result in a correct measurement of battery power. It should also be noted that taking the average of both prior to multiplying them (as would be done with DMM measurements) is a completely valid method, and produces the same end result as the scope does.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #809 on: April 24, 2011, 04:33:11 AM »
Rose,

I honestly don't have any idea how you got the idea that I am somehow pre-empting your posts or that I have moderator rights here or some such.  ???  That is absolutely false. It is also false that you are going to be banned here. That is all pure nonsense and tale-spinning.

Regarding the posts, what is it that is wrong with the results I've posted?

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