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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 657946 times)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #435 on: March 29, 2011, 08:17:22 AM »
I got them for nothing from a store that was closing down, and they're all brand-new!  They're also all rechargeable, (NiMH) so no problem there either.  Yes, I've got 300+ volts but I'm sure their combined resistance would prove a problem, especially where high current draw is involved - like here I expect!  But you're right, it needs to be tested...

WOW.  Then I'll be really interested here Sprocket.  Just one thing.  Try and get that 'immersion' heater type coil.  We know that it works.  I think - frankly - that the higher the resistance - the more applied voltage required.  But with all those batteries - you'd have no need to hold back. 

Really good news.  I'd be very interested to see how well those batteries last.  And if they're rechargeable then it's relatively easy to set up your controls.  Can't wait Sprocket.  This is going to be interesting.  Just think of it.  An immersion heater element with, perhaps, it's own in built battery supply rig. That's got to be good for campers and even for those who are off grid.  We've got such - in the millions.  Adds exponential meaning to the concept of 'instant coffee'.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #436 on: March 29, 2011, 12:19:50 PM »
Morning all .Struggling a bit today because I fell off my bicycle yesterday! @ Sprocket .All those batteries sound like a good find .What I would do is find a heater first and then select your battery voltage to give a current within their capabilities .You do not have to use all the batteries . It would be interesting to see your results . I am in the process of reading everything that has been written on this circuit .It is a bit like reading Tolstoy's "War and Peace". I keep thinking that this circuit could be run without a square wave generator of any kind , either by using a steady neg bias on the gate , or using a "tickler coil" magnetically linked to the load resistor , and thus creating an Armstrong Oscillator [google it]

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #437 on: March 29, 2011, 12:43:29 PM »
I got them for nothing from a store that was closing down, and they're all brand-new!  They're also all rechargeable, (NiMH) so no problem there either.  Yes, I've got 300+ volts but I'm sure their combined resistance would prove a problem, especially where high current draw is involved - like here I expect!  But you're right, it needs to be tested...
get a bunch of thorium (camping lantern mantles, etc.), radium from clocks and some tritium (as a neutron moderator)... use the lithium from the batteries to purify the the thorium ash...


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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #438 on: March 29, 2011, 02:36:20 PM »
Morning all .Struggling a bit today because I fell off my bicycle yesterday!
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I keep thinking that this circuit could be run without a square wave generator of any kind , either by using a steady neg bias on the gate , or using a "tickler coil" magnetically linked to the load resistor , and thus creating an Armstrong Oscillator [google it]

hi Neptune

sorry to hear about the tumble :(

hope you and the bike get mended soon!


your suggestion about driving the MOSFET direct from its output just reminded me about a circuit i'd seen a while back...

that wiley old Marcus Wagner seems to have beaten us to it, 6 years ago!!!

the thread is at:
 
   http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=413.0


of course, he used a double MOSFET series arrangement with the inductor, but the main switched current path is essentially the sort of thing we're looking at on this thread (the MOSFET body diodes still provide the same behaviour)

notice also that he rectifies the output pulses into a 1F cap which is across the battery, so again the same feedback to source (ie. looped) operation

(looks a bit like a MOSFET Joule Thief!)


i guess i should just add that i'm not suggesting this is a direct replacement for Rosemary's circuit with SigGen i/p - merely taking your idea to self-drive the circuit using feedback from the output

it could possibly be adapted to get it more into the mould of the RA circuit (eg, remove D1, change series MOSFETs to parallel, arrange drive signal to include some negative level, etc) 


hope this distracts you from the cuts & bruises!  ;)
np


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« Last Edit: March 29, 2011, 03:10:24 PM by nul-points »

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #439 on: March 29, 2011, 02:51:57 PM »
I'm disappointed, I have just done a head-count, it seems I only have a little over 50 - off by a factor of 2!

@Rosemary - Forgive me if you have answered this like 100 times already, did you try this with high-wattage wire-wound resistors? As far as I can make out these are all bifilar wound so their inductance would be negligible - is inductance an absolute requirement here?  What I envision doing is piezo-fogging the water, then piping it over the likes of a wire-wound resistor, which is contained in a close-fitting tube of some kind to vapourise the stuff.  Not an option if inductance is a prerequisite though. 

@neptune - what I've been trying to determine is what would be the minimum voltage feasible for this.  As you suggest, the maximum current they are capable of is the limiting factor - and the more of them I tie in series, the greater their combined series resistance, the more power that will be dropped across them in the form of heat.  And this does not seem to be a low-current operation!  Which had me thinking supercaps - these could supply 100's of amps, but at low voltages.  I actually have quite a lot of these as well (5 ->360F) which I planned on reselling but haven't got around to yet - too many other balls in the air!

@WilbyInebriated - ...followed by "Abracadabra" no doubt!!! :D  Sorry, I have no idea where you are going with this...

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #440 on: March 29, 2011, 03:14:34 PM »
@Nul-points ,bike is OK .My knee is a bit stiff , but done 10 miles today to free it off , thanks .That's quite an interesting circuit from Marcus .I can see what you are getting at with that .@ Sprocket , I have no idea of the capacity of your cells .Let us assume they are capable of 1 amp .And assume your heater is 30 ohms . So you could try 30 volts worth of cells to start with . I don't know if you have a scope . Once you get it to oscillate , try the caps . hope this helps .Home made resistors are easy to make . see my earlier posts in this thread .

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #441 on: March 29, 2011, 03:30:05 PM »
Rosemary - Forgive me if you have answered this like 100 times already, did you try this with high-wattage wire-wound resistors? As far as I can make out these are all bifilar wound so their inductance would be negligible - is inductance an absolute requirement here?  What I envision doing is piezo-fogging the water, then piping it over the likes of a wire-wound resistor, which is contained in a close-fitting tube of some kind to vapourise the stuff.  Not an option if inductance is a prerequisite though. 

Guys - you are all getting into a level of complexity that I can barely undestand.  Which is a really good thing.  I have always assumed that high levels of inductance was a pre-requisite.  But apparently not.  I suspect it's the casing around the wire that is giving us this greater benefit.  But the precise requirement for that parasitic oscillation?  It's absolutely outside my competence.  I've always assumed that a cap is going to snuff out the benefits - but again.  I'm open to correction.  I can only point at what we've got.  And, out of necessity - the design is kept to its essential simplicity.  My own explanation for that high current flow is that it's from the back EMF that's induced on the load.  And we've never really seen what this is trying to do - precisely because not all that voltage could flow as current.  And that, because there was not enough 'path' given in a single Zener.  I'm also assuming a counter clockwise current flow.  And I know so little of classical thinking here - I'm not sure that even this much is exotic or if it's mainstream.  So.  Bottom line.  I'm afraid you're on your own here.  Which, again, is probably a good thing.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary 

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #442 on: March 29, 2011, 03:44:55 PM »
Nul-points ,bike is OK .My knee is a bit stiff , but done 10 miles today to free it off , thanks .That's quite an interesting circuit from Marcus .I can see what you are getting at with that .@ Sprocket , I have no idea of the capacity of your cells .Let us assume they are capable of 1 amp .And assume your heater is 30 ohms . So you could try 30 volts worth of cells to start with . I don't know if you have a scope . Once you get it to oscillate , try the caps . hope this helps .Home made resistors are easy to make . see my earlier posts in this thread .

Glad there was no major problems here Neptune.  If you're back up and riding then it was not too critical. 

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to simply find those old immersion elements - even second hand - if they haven't shorted.  I also see a similar type element in your average radial 'pancake shaped' element used on stoves.  I'm reasonably certain it would work as well.  And I imagine this could be fairly readily accessed from any kind of junk recycling shop.  I'm assuming that the exact shape is irrelevant.  Just the voltage against that resistive value may be quite important.  We've been using upwards of 24 volts on a resistance of 11 Ohms or thereby.  That may be a 'kick off' guide.  So sorry I can't be of more help. 

Kindest as ever,
Rosemary

BTW - Wilby - I would also love to understand where your thinking is going there. I'ts way over my head.  Are you looking to making a battery?

And another quick note.  I should get my circuit back and up an running by tomorrow.  Here's hoping.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #443 on: March 29, 2011, 05:29:58 PM »
@WilbyInebriated - ...followed by "Abracadabra" no doubt!!! :D  Sorry, I have no idea where you are going with this...
:)  the lithium is useful in the process to convert thorium to Th-233, and that will decay to U-233, which is fissionable...  the abracadabra is optional but it always adds a nice flair. ;) sorry for the off topic comment.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #444 on: March 30, 2011, 12:01:23 AM »
@Rosemary - It's surprising that you and your team hasn't tried to pinpoint the source of the extra energy, or at least narrow down the possibilities.  I'm going to order some wire-wound resistors anyway so we'll see what happens.  It's hard to see where the oscillations come from without inductance though.  I was reading up on some of your earlier posts and I see you mention that lower inductance seemed to enhance the effect. You also talked about where you increased the duty-cycle of your function generator to max - which was about 3min, that's a lot! - and during the mosfet-off stage, the parasitic oscillations continue for the duration, with no apparent reductance in heat produced, and for the full 3min, while there is no power being drawn from the battery!  The opposite in fact, the battery is apparently being charged during this time - am I reading this correctly?  If so, WOW!  In fact, is there any need for a periodic waveform at all?  Wouldn't a simple 555 monostable circuit do instead, something to basically just start it off?  Or even a push-switch? Anyway, I've lots to think about, but I can't do much till I order some stuff.

@neptune - yeah, I've got a scope, or half a scope rather - one of its channels went kaput recently. 

@WilbyEnebriated - my doctor said that I wasn't allowed to use my lithium for that.  Bummer..

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #445 on: March 30, 2011, 12:50:29 AM »
Rosemary - It's surprising that you and your team hasn't tried to pinpoint the source of the extra energy, or at least narrow down the possibilities.

Golly Sprocket.  Actually the entire circuit design was intended to prove the source of extra energy away from the battery and in the material of the circuit itself.  That much, to all of us, was a given.  But that's in the thesis and I've learned that there's not that much interest in the thesis.  Therefore I sort of hold back here. Certainly  I know that the interest on these forums is in the more practical side of things.

Broadly the argument is this.  If the amount of energy discharged by a supply is less than the amount of energy dissipated on the circuit - then where does that energy come from?  That was proved in our previous experiments.  Now this has changed rather profoundly.  It's now this.  If the amount of energy returned to a battery EXCEEDS the amount of energy delivered by the battery in the first instance - then where does that energy come from?

In effect our proof is more comprehensive and anomalous as it relates to classical prediction.  And it takes the evidence to infinite COP - which as we all know - begs a closed system.  Now.  We won't prove this on batteries.  It's an obvious step - but I'm not prepared to go that route.  If we keep to a discussion on batteries and battery performance it will be an argument that will outlast my lifetime.  Hopefully you guys will get there with your replications or applications.  But we most certainly can point to something that appears to be closed - as you point to hereunder.  And our intention is to keep the discussion relevant to classical measurement protocols. But all I've ever tried to do is to resolve the measurements to prove the thesis.  That's my entire focus.  Indeed.  It's why I put this circuit together in the first instance.  And the thesis most assuredly proposes where that extra energy is from.  What's intended is to show that there's an energy supply source in all bound matter which is based on Einsteins mass/energy equivalence.  But, here's the thing.  When that matter has inductive and/or conductive atomic or molecular material - then that can be exploited to become an electric energy supply source.  But it's a different discussion Sprocket.  I'm not sure that it's needed here.

Quote from: Sprocket link=topic=10407.msg279744#msg279744 date=1301436083
It's hard to see where the oscillations come from without inductance though.[/quote
Here the proposal is that there are two entirely separate currents flowing to and from their respective sources.  The one induces the other - in line with inductive laws.  They're able to sustain each other because their paths are enabled by those circuit components.  And that 'stack' of MOSFETS is the 'path' for the current flow induced in the circuitry.  The fact is that the current does not 'die down' and yet there's measurable evidence of work done in the heat across the laod resistor.  All very much predicted and very much in line with that thesis. 

[quote author=Sprocket link=topic=10407.msg279744#msg279744 date=1301436083I was reading up on some of your earlier posts and I see you mention that lower inductance seemed to enhance the effect. You also talked about where you increased the duty-cycle of your function generator to max - which was about 3min, that's a lot! - and during the mosfet-off stage, the parasitic oscillations continue for the duration, with no apparent reductance in heat produced, and for the full 3min, while there is no power being drawn from the battery!  The opposite in fact, the battery is apparently being charged during this time - am I reading this correctly?  If so, WOW!  In fact, is there any need for a periodic waveform at all?  Wouldn't a simple 555 monostable circuit do instead, something to basically just start it off?  Or even a push-switch? Anyway, I've lots to think about, but I can't do much till I order some stuff.
Indeed that oscillation lasts for nearly 3 minutes.  This is so nice.  It seems that the significance of this 'time' is getting through. Stefan has drawn a circuit design by Neptune to see if this can simply be triggered once - and then left to oscillate.  I'm hoping to perhaps get someone to build that circuit.  But no joy yet.  I think the team are all busy trying to earn a living.   

Nice stuff Sprocket.  Always a pleasure to see someone 'getting it'. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #446 on: March 30, 2011, 01:08:44 AM »
Hi Rosemary,

Here are real world reference values from some of my heater collection.

Volts, Heater wattage rating, Ohms measured

12vdc, 40 watt , 10 ohms (Cattle/Horse tank warmer)
12vdc, 200 watt, 1 ohm   (Livestock tank de-icer)
12vdc, 600 watt, 0.5 ohm (Works good as a dump load)

120vac, 180watt, 146 ohm (Electric blanket)
120vac, 660watt, 30 ohm (Old style nichrome wire hot plate)
120vac, 1000watt, 15 ohm (Hot plate)
120vac, 1500watt, 6 ohms (Toaster oven, 1 heater bar)

240vac, 3800watt, 20 ohm (Water tank heater)
240vac, 5500watt, 10 ohm (Fast hot water tank heater)

Hi Neptune,

Got to watch out when riding a bike and catching a glimpse of a pretty lady walking down the street, glad your ok.  ;)

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #447 on: March 30, 2011, 01:29:54 AM »
Hello indeed, DreamThinkBuild.

That's a really nice collection of resistors.  Well done. 

 :)

Kindest regards,
rosemary

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #448 on: March 30, 2011, 01:16:56 PM »
Good day everyone . Been out on the bike early today . Leg working much better , and thanks for kind comments . @ Sprocket . It is important to notice that during the 2.7 minutes of parasitic oscillation the gate is negative relative to ground . So although pulsing may be unnecessary once oscillation starts , the negative state could well be indispensable .The internet is great in that we have global communication , but it does not actually permit us to meet and swap parts and physically work together . A scope [or half scope] will enable you to see the parasitic oscillation . I would also be interested to hear of anyone hearing the oscillation on an AM radio . For commercial applications , RF screening may be necessary to prevent radio interference . There are well tried and tested ways to do this .

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #449 on: March 30, 2011, 02:55:15 PM »
@Rosemary - Yikes, now I realise why you normally don't expand more on what you believe to be the true source of the energy, especially here - that's more along the lines of alchemy than electricity, I bet people have been lynched for lesser heresies! :D

@neptune - As I posted earlier, my first attempt at this was when Rosemary was posting at EF and all I managed to achieve then was blow a few mosfets.  What I wasn't doing was taking the gate negative, so I'm sure that it must be vitally important - at least I couldn't find anything interesting happening just taking it to zero.  Incidently, my 'element' then was a length of resistance-wire pulled from a toaster and wrapped around a tin-can, insulated of course.  14 Ohms resistance, I forget what the inductance measured was.  Not sure if this this helped or hindered...