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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 657877 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1680 on: June 30, 2011, 01:07:45 AM »
That will be good Rose.  If the cap(s) voltage, precharged, rise, shut it down and write the paper.  ;]  It will be all you need.


Not really. i know that the paper should contain many of the other details in explanation.

Good luck!   ;)

Magsy

Offline Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1681 on: June 30, 2011, 01:12:40 AM »
That will be good Rose.  If the cap(s) voltage, precharged, rise, shut it down and write the paper.  ;]  It will be all you need.


Not really. i know that the paper should contain many of the other details in explanation.

Good luck!   ;)

Magsy

Thanks Mags.  I'm struggling with that second paper I might tell you.  Which is why I keep dipping in here. It's a much needed distraction.  But I really shouldn't.

 ;D

Anyway.  Take care of yourself. 
Rosie

Offline MrMag

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1682 on: June 30, 2011, 01:19:00 AM »
We'll be trying that caps test soon Magsy. Hopefully as soon as this weekend.

Rosie

Didn't you say this a couple of weeks ago. No wonder there hasn't been any advancements here in the last 10 years.

I imagine that you ARE struggling with that paper. :)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1683 on: June 30, 2011, 02:19:34 AM »
i have a question. why is that science, with all it's fancy fancy equations and formulas, cannot measure exactly how much energy is in a battery? and let's not be facetious and suggest that load testing and then averaging is exact... ;)

@evolvingapei wasn't suggesting you were being facetious. i was attempting to nip in the bud a foreseen point of contention. thanks for the reply but you didn't answer my question.

My apologies Wilby, I thought it was a general question and not directed at me.

I do not know why science cannot measure exactly what energy is contained in a battery. It is obviously a flaw in the understanding. I am not disputing this.

RM :)


added: and once again, why is it that science, and all these 'educated' (read as indoctrinated) people like pussycat, the dancing bear and poynty, etc, etc, ad infintum, ad nauseam still CANNOT tell me exactly how much 'juice' is in a battery...  ::) that to me speaks volumes about their 'science' and its level of understanding.


Dude, I agree with Wilby on the battery thing. its a loaded question.

You could have 50 new fully charged batteries and they will all hold some differences. When loaded in series they will even out as close as possible to eachother except for the little differences I spoke of. With batteries in series its called balancing out.  After a full charge, some may contain more energy than others. After the full charge if you put a maintaining charge to them, in series, balancing will occur and most all will be close to equal.
Big caps is the way to go. The energy involved is finite when you know the value of the cap and the voltage in that cap.

Mags

Well now Magluvin you have just made my day! A* Top of the Class!! No Double Facepalm for you!!!  ;D

Your absolutely right... IT IS A LOADED QUESTION!

Now ask yourself why a staunch supporter of the Rosemary Ainslie circuit, despite never having provided a shred of credible evidence to support the claim, would be repeatedly asking LOADED QUESTIONS to honest researchers who disagree with the conclusions of said “experiment” and ask for simple concrete proof ? The very premise of the Rosemary Ainslie circuit conclusions demands that unequivocally this energy state can be definitively defined!

Your also absolutely right that two “identical” battery's will hold a different sum of total energy. What you fail to mention is that in a bank of such battery's, connected in series, if the amp hour ratings and C ratings are different then the battery's will not balance properly. The “weakest” battery will become damaged and will critically fail over a significant length of time.

These are just some of the reasons why this “experiment” and it's subsequent conclusions were fatally flawed from the outset.

Here you go Rose this link is for you:

http://www.actmeters.com/Batteries-C-Rating.php

You still think your statement of how much energy is in your battery's is correct ? Best check what your C ratings are ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt

The watt (pronounced /ˈwɒt/ wot; symbol: W) is a derived unit of power in the International System of Units (SI), named after the Scottish engineer James Watt (1736–1819). The unit, defined as one joule per second, measures the rate of energy conversion.

A Watt is a measure of the rate of energy CONVERSION... it is NOT a measure of total energy available to the system. Seeing as you have no idea how much energy is in your battery's to start with and no idea how much energy remains at the end of the “test” how on Earth can you claim that no energy has been depleted ?? Especially when your very own Wilby is adamant that nobody can measure this... but you can!

RM :)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1684 on: June 30, 2011, 02:26:31 AM »
hey Evo

I really dont have time to write the book here. ;]

I have 3 electric bikes. 1 has 3 lead acid, one has 4, and the other 30 nimh d cells.  I work a lot with this stuff.

But anyways, I dont believe I forgot to mention what I wanted to say. ;]

Mags

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1685 on: June 30, 2011, 02:38:24 AM »
You still think your statement of how much energy is in your battery's is correct ? Best check what your C ratings are ??

A Watt is a measure of the rate of energy CONVERSION... it is NOT a measure of total energy available to the system. Seeing as you have no idea how much energy is in your battery's to start with and no idea how much energy remains at the end of the “test” how on Earth can you claim that no energy has been depleted ??

Evolvingape.  What are you trying to say?  That when a battery rating is 40 AH's or 480 WH's - then that means NOTHING?  It's some kind of fraudulent claim?  And therefore when I reference that rating I am perpetrating that initial fraud?  That's rich.  I have ONLY referenced the standard measurements that are applied to all energy measurements.  vi dt. Those measurements are specifically NOT related to the battery PERFORMANCE but to rate of current flow against the measured voltage of the battery.  You are all asking me  to ignore those measurements and ASSUME a loss - notwithstanding.  That's an argument that no-one can win.  It's a guaranteed FAIL.  Alternatively you're asking me to run that battery continuously.  I simply CANNOT.  I'm too busy to monitor that test and I'm running out of time.  I need that scope meter for tests related to our paper.  I could, no doubt, run it but then I'd have no time to do what I NEED TO DO.    I propose that you all stop telling me what to do - and what to think - and what to say and just leave me in peace.  Do your own tests.  There's nothing stopping you.  Or get off this thread.  I am absolutely NOT here to satisfy your arbitrary requirements.  If you want to make those requirements relevant - then get the required authority to make it worth my while.  Or offer to pay me to do your bidding.  I AM NOT YOUR SLAVE.

Rosemary

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1686 on: June 30, 2011, 02:56:40 AM »
Rose, c'mon now girl...

You want us to pay you to prove that your claims are true ?

Your offer of doing my bidding for cash is very generous but I already got a girl  :D

RM :)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1687 on: June 30, 2011, 03:05:59 AM »
Evolvingape.  What are you trying to say?  That when a battery rating is 40 AH's or 480 WH's - then that means NOTHING?  It's some kind of fraudulent claim?  And therefore when I reference that rating I am perpetrating that initial fraud?  That's rich.  I have ONLY referenced the standard measurements that are applied to all energy measurements.  vi dt. Those measurements are specifically NOT related to the battery PERFORMANCE but to rate of current flow against the measured voltage of the battery.  You are all asking me  to ignore those measurements and ASSUME a loss - notwithstanding.  That's an argument that no-one can win.  It's a guaranteed FAIL.  Alternatively you're asking me to run that battery continuously.  I simply CANNOT.  I'm too busy to monitor that test and I'm running out of time.  I need that scope meter for tests related to our paper.  I could, no doubt, run it but then I'd have no time to do what I NEED TO DO.    I propose that you all stop telling me what to do - and what to think - and what to say and just leave me in peace.  Do your own tests.  There's nothing stopping you.  Or get off this thread.  I am absolutely NOT here to satisfy your arbitrary requirements.  If you want to make those requirements relevant - then get the required authority to make it worth my while.  Or offer to pay me to do your bidding.  I AM NOT YOUR SLAVE.

Rosemary

Finally you are beginning to wake up,a lot of what you said in this post has been answered aready,
( I can repost ) you know the kind of stuff, you can do the test for very little money, and you don't need a scope, but again you are attacking people who are making reasonable requests.

You are the one claiming OU on this forum, all the members here that tried to replicate your circuit failed, (it didn't work)  (they had no OU) (you've didn't help them find the problem) You attack anybody that says your circuit doesn't work

If you want us to stop posting on this thread then stop claiming your circuit produces OU or do some new tests to prove your case and stop coming up with excuses.

We have a ready covered you asking people for money, because of all the failures of the members here to reproduce your claims it is very unlikely anyone would donate any money.

« Last Edit: June 30, 2011, 03:32:16 AM by powercat »

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1688 on: June 30, 2011, 03:06:45 AM »
Guys - let me see if I can put this back into perspective.  Cat is SO bored with this subject that he reads nothing and simply posts the same thing over and over again.  To add to the general repetition we have MaNag echoing every feeble objection he can find.  Then - to top it all -  we've got evolvingape not only indulging in x rated fantasies - but presuming to tell all five of us to DROP THIS WORK and concentrate on his own best interests.

Do you really think that any of this merits any kind of  attention?  Just let this thread alone - JUST FOR A COUPLE MORE WEEKS.  Then I'll be here - BOOTS AND ALL - and will argue everything to the death.  Right now I need a break.

Rosemary

Offline MrMag

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1689 on: June 30, 2011, 03:12:24 AM »
Evolvingape.  What are you trying to say?  That when a battery rating is 40 AH's or 480 WH's - then that means NOTHING?  It's some kind of fraudulent claim?  And therefore when I reference that rating I am perpetrating that initial fraud?  That's rich.  I have ONLY referenced the standard measurements that are applied to all energy measurements.  vi dt. Those measurements are specifically NOT related to the battery PERFORMANCE but to rate of current flow against the measured voltage of the battery.  You are all asking me  to ignore those measurements and ASSUME a loss - notwithstanding.  That's an argument that no-one can win.  It's a guaranteed FAIL.  Alternatively you're asking me to run that battery continuously.  I simply CANNOT.  I'm too busy to monitor that test and I'm running out of time.  I need that scope meter for tests related to our paper.  I could, no doubt, run it but then I'd have no time to do what I NEED TO DO.    I propose that you all stop telling me what to do - and what to think - and what to say and just leave me in peace.  Do your own tests.  There's nothing stopping you.  Or get off this thread.  I am absolutely NOT here to satisfy your arbitrary requirements.  If you want to make those requirements relevant - then get the required authority to make it worth my while.  Or offer to pay me to do your bidding.  I AM NOT YOUR SLAVE.

Rosemary

You still don't understand the request rose. I thought it was a very simple request but possibly it is still too complicated for you to comprehend. You don't need to sit in front of it and watch it. You don't need to hook up a scope or meter for that matter to monitor it. Just hook it up and let it run. It is a very simple request. I really don't understand why you won't do it. Are you that worried that you would use up all the power in the batteries during this test proving your circuit is not OU?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1690 on: June 30, 2011, 03:15:04 AM »
You are the one claiming OU on this forum, ......


THAT unfortunately, is the sorry truth.  But I guarantee you that by the time we've finished with our papers then MANY, MANY more experimentalists will be able to MORE CONFIDENTLY reference their own OVER UNITY RESULTS.  People like Pirate - Lasersaber - and even, dare I say it, RomeroUK.  They're just not seeing it for what it is.  I intend to help out there or die trying.

Rosemary

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1691 on: June 30, 2011, 03:19:19 AM »
Guys - let me see if I can put this back into perspective.  Cat is SO bored with this subject that he reads nothing and simply posts the same thing over and over again.  To add to the general repetition we have MaNag echoing every feeble objection he can find.  Then - to top it all -  we've got evolvingape not only indulging in x rated fantasies - but presuming to tell all five of us to DROP THIS WORK and concentrate on his own best interests.

Do you really think that any of this merits any kind of  attention?  Just let this thread alone - JUST FOR A COUPLE MORE WEEKS.  Then I'll be here - BOOTS AND ALL - and will argue everything to the death.  Right now I need a break.

Rosemary

There you go again, attack, attack, attack, try reading the words in my repost
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Ignoring the issue won't make it go away, since you have attacked me and called me a liar in previous posts I now consider this my duty, so that no one new to this forum will be misled into believing that you have a circuit that produces OU, unless of course you, oh yeah you're not communicating, repost time then

You can't tell me of any member on this forum that has produced OU with your circuit, because nobody has.

Here are few videos for members on the forum, they are other members that didn't make videos who also failed in their attempts to match your claim of OU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrwgEb5ac_w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM8BBa7_Zpc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x0wQJrc9To
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GBS3sKcB8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trip8gjoxMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpaP__5Kd38

Do something different Here on This forum,and stop ignoring reasonable requests for tests. or stop claiming OU on This OverUnity Forum.
A big conspiracy, it would appear that anyone that says your circut doesn't workor or indicate's measuring error, is then part of that conspiracy.
Many members have made reasonable requests that you ignore including Stefan,Mr Mag amongst others,but you ignore them and carry on regurgitating your same old arguments.

Go on Rosie proof that 99 is wrong in his analysis and makes something that runs and runs and put it on the Internet after all,
 (Quote from Rosemary)
"All one needs are the the measurements and some reasonable account of the apparatus that produces those measurements".

You will pick on small detail and not address the main point, and you will also repeat what you said before ( this is not your blog) please interact with the reasonable requests made by members here for you to do new tests.

The fact still remains that no one here can reproduce your claims of OU, and you are not willing to do anything to change that deadlock, apart from use this forum as your soapbox and blog.

On this forum you are expected to interact to prove your claim, if you are claiming OU,I think that is reasonable.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1692 on: June 30, 2011, 03:22:59 AM »
Guys - let me see if I can put this back into perspective.  Cat is SO bored with this subject that he reads nothing and simply posts the same thing over and over again.  To add to the general repetition we have MaNag echoing every feeble objection he can find.  Then - to top it all -  we've got evolvingape not only indulging in x rated fantasies - but presuming to tell all five of us to DROP THIS WORK and concentrate on his own best interests.

Do you really think that any of this merits any kind of  attention?  Just let this thread alone - JUST FOR A COUPLE MORE WEEKS.  Then I'll be here - BOOTS AND ALL - and will argue everything to the death.  Right now I need a break.

Rosemary

Golly rosy, I thought that you would like to do the simple test. We just have concerns regarding your OU claim, that's all.

We don't want to argue with you either, we just want you to do a simple test. But don't worry, we've been wearing our boots here for quite some time already. With all the crap your trying to throw at us we have no choice.

Offline powercat

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1693 on: June 30, 2011, 03:26:13 AM »
THAT unfortunately, is the sorry truth.  But I guarantee you that by the time we've finished with our papers then MANY, MANY more experimentalists will be able to MORE CONFIDENTLY reference their own OVER UNITY RESULTS.  People like Pirate - Lasersaber - and even, dare I say it, RomeroUK.  They're just not seeing it for what it is.  I intend to help out there or die trying.

Rosemary

You said this kind of stuff so many times , no one is doubting you can talk the talk, and another paper on top of the other one and all that other stuff, and still not a single person can reproduce your results on this forum.

And you attack people and won't do a simple test  ::)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1694 on: June 30, 2011, 03:28:19 AM »
You still don't understand the request rose. I thought it was a very simple request but possibly it is still too complicated for you to comprehend. You don't need to sit in front of it and watch it. You don't need to hook up a scope or meter for that matter to monitor it. Just hook it up and let it run. It is a very simple request. I really don't understand why you won't do it. Are you that worried that you would use up all the power in the batteries during this test proving your circuit is not OU?

MaNag.  Let me see if I can get through to you.  AGAIN.  It is an ENTIRE waste of time to run the batteries at a LOW wattage.  It would take YEARS to complete that test.  It is POSSIBLY worthwhile to run it at HIGH wattage.  Then we could run that test against a control.  NOW TRY AND GET YOUR MIND AROUND THIS.  We have 2 banks of batteries.  They are BOTH running at the same temperature.  The one is connected in series with batteries.  The test is running with a switch.  WHEN the CONTROL BATTERIES ARE DEAD - and IF OUR TEST BATTERIES ARE STILL FULLY CHARGED - then the test is CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN. 

BUT.  To run this test I firstly need another resistor element - carefully modified that it is running at an IDENTICAL temperature.  Then I need to buy another 5 BATTERIES.  THEN.  BECAUSE WE'LL BE RUNNING THIS TEST AT A HIGHER WATTAGE LEVEL THEN TWO THINGS WILL HAPPEN.  BOTH TESTS WILL BE BOILING THAT WATER SO THEY WILL BOTH NEED TO BE CONTINUALLY TOPPED UP.

THEN.  Much more to the point.  NOTA BENE MaNag, THERE IS SO MUCH ENERGY ON OUR CIRCUIT THAT, NOTWITHSTANDING THE STRENGTH OF AN APPLIED SIGNAL AT THE GATE - THIS INCREASES.  WHEN IT INCREASES IT REQUIRES AN ADJUSTMENT.  TO KNOW THAT IT INCREASES WE NEED A PROBE ACROSS THAT SHUNT RESISTOR AND WE NEED AN OSCILLOSCOPE ATTACHED TO THAT PROBE.  AND WE NEED A HIGH BANDWIDTH OSCILLOSCOPE OR WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO READ THE APPROPRIATE VOLTAGE ACROSS THE SHUNT RESISTOR.  THEREFORE.  IF WE DO NOT MONITOR THE TEST CONDITIONS CONTINUOUSLY THEN EVERYTHING MAY JUST GO UP IN SMOKE.  THEN WE WILL HAVE NO OSCILLOSCOPE - NO PROBES - NO TEST RESULTS - NOTHING AT ALL FOR ALL OUR EFFORTS.

IT NEEDS MONITORING.

R