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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 638213 times)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2011, 06:42:09 AM »
Congratulation to Rosie and team on a successful demonstration.

Academics will now ask: Is the Rosie Circuit an OPEN system bringing-in energy from the environment?  In Aaron’s words: OPEN system in non-equilibrium thermodynamics?

Or would they look at my classical explanation of “energy is brought-in” at resonance via the ordered pulsing?

Lawrance, I know you've been pushing this idea with the tuning forks for some time but it isn't at all obvious that resonance leads to OU in your case. When you consider the energy balance from the beginning to the end of the main for vibrating as well as the mutual bouncing back and forth of energies between all forks (each one becomes a source once it stars vibrating, right?) the balance is unity when you include the losses. You're observing each one isolated from the rest and are not including the tie variation of energy of each one. That isn't the way they behave in reality. Resonance isn't a mechanism for OU.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2011, 06:46:03 AM »
TK,

Have you seen the battery voltage wave forms? They are nutsoid! There is no way to get a proper power in measurement with a battery voltage wave form oscillating like that. It should be nice and solid, with perhaps some sagging and ripple, but not with 60V or so of sinusoidal swing at Fo.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2011, 01:29:33 PM »
TK,

Have you seen the battery voltage wave forms? They are nutsoid! There is no way to get a proper power in measurement with a battery voltage wave form oscillating like that. It should be nice and solid, with perhaps some sagging and ripple, but not with 60V or so of sinusoidal swing at Fo.

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I back up Rosie 100% in this case.  I have seen and have hundreds of waveforms measured across the battery having large swings.  That seemed to happen near resonance and pseudo resonance conditions for many different circuits.

You may not believe in resonance bringing-out electron motion energy.  But with the success of Rosie, many others will follow. ;D

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2011, 05:16:35 PM »
Dear Rosemary , congratulations on your successful demo . There are still unanswered questions , but to me , it looks like a fait accompli . Not a lot of development work will be needed here to develop useful device . If you can make 40 watts of heat , 1Kw is just a case of scaling up . Or it could be made to run a light bulb with an inductive filament . The pulse driver circuit can be cheap , and eventually , special Mosfets can be developed to optimise the effect .A door has been opened to a whole host of possibilities . Nd the icing on the cake is that it is open source . Renewed hope is given to all those working on back EMF type devices . Rosemary , I hope you quickly receive the rewards you so richly deserve .

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2011, 05:32:50 PM »
Dear Rosemary , congratulations on your successful demo . There are still unanswered questions , but to me , it looks like a fait accompli . Not a lot of development work will be needed here to develop useful device . If you can make 40 watts of heat , 1Kw is just a case of scaling up . Or it could be made to run a light bulb with an inductive filament . The pulse driver circuit can be cheap , and eventually , special Mosfets can be developed to optimise the effect .A door has been opened to a whole host of possibilities . Nd the icing on the cake is that it is open source . Renewed hope is given to all those working on back EMF type devices . Rosemary , I hope you quickly receive the rewards you so richly deserve .

 :) Thanks Neptune.  It's definitely scalable.  Just for those who can - hurry up with applications.  We'll try and do our bit at this end.  For any theorists out there - just note the implications.  It seems that a continual negative signal at the gate is what's required.   Not sure how much it would cost to apply this - BUT.  Once you've got it I think we've got something that will just keep going.   It's all small steps - but in the right direction.   And I think that research and more research it about all the reward we all need.  Just keep the questions going.  We've lots to learn 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

BTW - note that upwards of 44 watts is the actual heat - and then we have to work fast to keep it low.  It wants to climb.  We just dare not measure it at its full potential because the scopes can't take those extreme voltage spikes.  But we've taken the temperature to above 210 degrees centigrade with the zero wattage loss to the battery.  But it gets too hot too quick.  VERY promising.  And that with just 4 batteries.  Those spikes exceed 40 volts across the shunt - at fast frequencies.  The current is HUGE.  The secret - I think - is in that amazing oscillation.  It just pumps the current around the circuit.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2011, 05:53:43 PM »
And Harti, btw

We'll post a youtube video of the proceedings sometime soon.  I'll send you the link and post it here.

Thanks guys,
Rosemary

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2011, 06:14:54 PM »
TK,

Have you seen the battery voltage wave forms? They are nutsoid! There is no way to get a proper power in measurement with a battery voltage wave form oscillating like that. It should be nice and solid, with perhaps some sagging and ripple, but not with 60V or so of sinusoidal swing at Fo.

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It depends where these traces are positioned. Perhaps you could post here an example. The I and V curves may not be sine waves and may be of weird shape and yet the Pin and Pout can be established very precisely by averaging the instantaneous IiVi powers over one period to get the Pin and the instantaneous Ii^2R powers to get Pout. Only in some limited cases that approach can be suspect. That's why it would be good if you could post graphs of these transients.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2011, 06:47:15 PM »
So what you are claiming is no wattage loss to the battery...

I believe this should say that basically the same tests that Tinsel Kola has asked for have already been done correct me if wrong?

I don't know for fact 100% mathematically weather this is overunity or not but I will say that as the tests stand this device could improve even our most energy efficient electric water heaters!

Which no matter how you peer into this peer review is a step in the correct direction!

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2011, 08:30:51 PM »
There are people on here who have forgotten more than I will ever know . However it seems to me that it would be very easy to prolong the ringing or oscillation of the circuit by using a simple make before break switch to disconnect the mosfet driver during the off period and substitute a couple of AAA cells to maintain the negative condition on the fet .As the tests show more energy going back to the battery than is leaving it , why not try substituting capacitors . That would confound the naysayers more than the most expensive test equipment in the world . If there is some magic about lead acid batteries , such that it has to be lead acid , then substitute the lowest amp-hour batteries that will do the job . That way , the overunity will be apparent in a shorter time . A capacitor test would be cheap and easy , and prove everything beyond doubt .Elsewhere on this forum is a discussion on a chip that efficiently converts heat to electricity .A marriage made in heaven? New Energy technology discoveries are being claimed daily now . But this is Super Special , because it is open source and lends itself to the do-it- yourself workshop .. It also proves that when the world is in deep doo-doo , the best man for the Job is a Woman .

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2011, 01:42:15 PM »
Hello Everyone,

TinselKoala wonders...

Quote:

“Well... congratulations on getting such a comprehensive report out so very quickly. One almost wonders whether the report had been prepared in advance of the actual demonstration.”

I was wondering the same myself and blog entry #88 begins:

http://newlightondarkenergy.blogspot.com/

Quote:
“Wednesday, March 9, 2011
88 - nearly there
Dear Reader,

Just a short note to let you know that the report is nearly finalised. Hopefully we can get this ready and printed for tomorrow. I need to send a couple of copies out for preview to a few people and then - hopefully by Saturday - we'll have the finished product.”

So yes, the report was probably finished by Thursday and was going to be published after the demonstration, which now appears to be a publicity stunt to make people pay attention to the report. It most assuredly does not have results “from” the demonstration if it was prepared in advance!

So lets have a look at the report...

Of note here to me is “5 MOSFET transistors in parallel”

All of the circuit components specifications are given EXCEPT:

Function Generator and 6x12V batteries – Raylite Silver Calcium.

This is very strange, why would you omit the specifications of such vital circuit components and yet provide the others ?

For example, the Raylite batteries sold by Battery Centre list this page for Raylite Silver Calcium cells:

http://www.batterycentre.co.za/fnbSpec02/b-spec.asp?id=3

and this page for the features and benefits of this technology:

http://www.batterycentre.co.za/SilverCalciumBattery.htm

So which model of 12V silver calcium cell did Battery Centre give you ? It will say the model number on the casing ;)

Anomalies 4.2 gets interesting:

4.2 When the offset of the function generator is adjusted (see Figure 3), the falling edge of the pulse results in a burst oscillation mode. Parasitic inductance is a well-known consequence of MOSFETs placed in parallel. It is undesirable for switching applications and is therefore, traditionally, factored out of the circuitry. On this application we have enabled that oscillation to the limit of the function generator’s slowest switching speed at 2.7 minutes or 6.172mHz. No material or evident variation or decay of that resonance through that entire period, is observed (see Figure 4). This results in a measured increase of recharge at the battery supply as well as sustaining the temperature over the resistor. It would be desirable to extend this period of oscillation to see whether decay in this oscillation, eventually takes place. These results may warrant further research, as the implications are that the current flow may be perpetuated through this self-oscillation.

And figure 4 text:

Fig 4: Evidence of ringing for a period of 2.7 minutes. No evident variation in amplitude of oscillation. Channel 1: Rshunt, Channel 2: batteries, Channel 3: gate, Channel D: math trace - product of Channels 1 & 2.

So, you freely admit that parasitic inductance is a well known consequence of MOSFET's connected in parallel, that this is undesirable for switching applications, and are traditionally factored out of the circuitry.

What you fail to mention is parasitic capacitance, which when combined with parasitic inductance forms resonant circuits that lead to ringing and EMI.

Don't believe me ?

http://www.en-genius.net/site/zones/rlcZONE/technical_notes/rlct_072108

and here is the PDF download:

http://www.en-genius.net/includes/files/rlct_072108.pdf

Estimating Parasitic Inductance and Capacitance
by Ted Rees, Intersil Corporation

There are many electronic design cases where parasitic inductance and/or parasitic capacitance are significant elements that restrict circuit performance. Parasitic inductance and capacitance are defined as the inductance and capacitance primarily of the traces that connect components together. Given an applied voltage, the parasitic inductance limits the rate at which the current can change. Given an applied current, the parasitic capacitance limits the rate at which the voltage can change. Taken together, the parasitic components form resonant circuits that lead to ringing and EMI. Frequently the physical size of the parasitic elements is so small that they can not be easily measured, so it's useful to be able to calculate approximately how much parasitic capacitance and inductance are associated with a specific layout.

Maybe you should contact Ted Rees and ask him to evaluate your circuit :)

Then we have your statement in Fig.4 about evidence of ringing for 2.7 minutes, which also happens to be:

“On this application we have enabled that oscillation to the limit of the function generator’s slowest switching speed at 2.7 minutes or 6.172mHz.”

So when we also combine this with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude

and note that you never refer to what Amplitude you are measuring, and paying particular attention to the section:

Ambiguity

In general, the use of peak amplitude is simple and unambiguous only for symmetric periodic waves, like a sine wave, a square wave, or a triangular wave. For an asymmetric wave (periodic pulses in one direction, for example), the peak amplitude becomes ambiguous. This is because the value is different depending on whether the maximum positive signal is measured relative to the mean, the maximum negative signal is measured relative to the mean, or the maximum positive signal is measured relative to the maximum negative signal (the peak-to-peak amplitude) and then divided by two. In electrical engineering, the usual solution to this ambiguity is to measure the amplitude from a defined reference potential (such as ground or 0V). Strictly speaking, this is no longer amplitude since there is the possibility that a constant (DC component) is included in the measurement.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you are running a DC circuit...

It looks like you have not considered or addressed any of the issues mentioned above.

Ok, so lets look at something you have considered:

You claim infinite COP. This basically means you have achieved overunity and can produce more energy from a process than you have put in to “enable” it.

You so far seem very reluctant to even discuss using little batteries to conclusively prove your thesis. Using 12V Lead Acid type batteries with massive Amp Hour capacity is quite frankly ridiculous in an application that has such relatively little power draw requirements.

Were you to hook up some much smaller Amp Hour batteries in series then it would very soon become obvious whether the current returning to the batteries was greater than the current being drawn from them. Leave the circuit running constantly for months and months and if it keeps going then there is a good chance you have achieved what you have claimed.

Using 6off 12V minimum 40 Amp hour batteries measured at 20 hour Rate in series only serves to hide the actual processes occurring by making the energy involved in the circuit operation significantly small in comparison to the total energy source available for the system.

If you are reluctant to prove your circuit works as you claim using this method of performing all the calculations within the system itself rather than from theoretical assumptions then there is another option.

Keep your 6 off 12V huge amp hour batteries and simply add on more circuits and more circuits and more circuits and more circuits and more circuits... you get the idea...

If your claims are correct then you have achieved exponential energy growth and you can provide power for the entire world off 6 car batteries.

I currently believe the reason you have not performed either of these two fool proof methods of proving your technology is because you cannot. It is so obvious to do these tests that to avoid even discussing the possibility is a massive red flag.

Furthermore, I fully expect you to completely ignore my questions and requests for clarification and proof based on your previous writings and replies and ignorings of others who have requested same.

However your complete disregard for the scientific method, obvious conclusive proofing methods, and theoretical cherry picking of what fits your thesis is evidence that you will see me as a negative detractor and refuse to engage me on those grounds.

I want to believe in you and your work, but the evidence you have presented prohibits that possibility at present, until you have openly and conclusively addressed the concerns of the community, and provided proof!

RM :)

P.S. Its a bit rich ltseung888 to hijack Rosie's thread, post your work here, direct everyone to discuss it on your own forum, and then request that everyone leaves this thread to Rosie. You that desperate for traffic ? Surely your work demands attention, not begs for it... ??





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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2011, 01:43:47 PM »
Thank you, I may try that.  I always love to try to learn something new.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2011, 01:51:05 PM »
Remember what craze there was about WM2D. Here this is a similar situation but in electricity. WM2D turned out to be very useful for certain things although for other it has subtle flaws. I think PSpice is more sophisticated because it was paid for by the government initially then business had picked it up and today it's a major tool in every major university where theory of electricity is being taught. I learned that recently and I was astounded how many important things are only kept withing certain communities. Same was my experience with LaTeX. A friend was telling me for years to start using it but somehow it did not seem appealing initially. Now that's the main editor I'm using and you can see that actascientiae.org/v is LaTeX enhanced (lack of LaTeX is a major deficiency here in the OU.om forum). Now, speaking of PSpice, I was amazed to observe that it has only been mentioned occasionally in this forum despite the vigorous discussions taking place regarding electrical devices.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2011, 03:11:16 PM »
Omni:

I am no genius.  Having said that, the only thing that makes me somewhat dubious about ANY electronics program is....who programed it and using what data?  Sure, I am sure most work 99% of the time using "known" values and simulations.  But what about the guy, like me, or anyone else, that hooks stuff up backward, or uses a diode instead of a resistor or any other happy mistake?  I have to freely admit here that most of the things I have done here on OU (documented on Youtube) have been sort of happy mistakes.  The same way nylon was discovered and about 100 other things.

I am not putting this software down as, I have said, I have never seen it nor played with it.  I am just concerned that if, back in the day, some aeronautical genius wrote flight software back in 1902, it might have shown the the Wright's plane could never leave the ground.  No fault to the programmer, he only input what was known at the time.

I will check it out though as I am sure that software knows much more than I do at present.

Bill

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2011, 03:23:02 PM »
@Pirate88179,

I disagree. That bodies heavier than air can fly is immediately obvious. Look at the birds. Birds have flown for centuries in the air and they are heavier than air. That achievement of Wright brothers that is pushed so hard to justify suppressed innovations is a no good example. It is foreseeable and I believe it has been foisted on the public exactly by the powers that be that suppress the really important controversial achievements. Manipulations are subtle, you know, and sometimes the most plausible are the nastiest.

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2011, 03:45:04 PM »
Well, we can disagree then.  I have read the studies of the early scientists of aerodynamics of that period and...it was a foregone conclusion that a heavier than air machine could never fly.  I agree with you about the birds...all they had to do was look out the window.

Same with the "sound barrier."  the leading aerodynamists (not all of them but the majority) prior to Oct. 14th, 1947 thought that air loads would go to infinity when reaching the speed of sound.  They could, and did, prove it mathematically on their blackboards but yet chuck Yeager went through it with no problems.

I have omitted the famed bumblebee example because that one, supposedly was never true.

Physicians stated without a doubt that the 4 minute mile could NEVER be broken by man.  Physically impossible.

Anyhow, it is these exceptions that concern me with software in general.  But, I am reasonably sure that any of my projects would be covered with great accuracy.  I was thinking more about the next guy.

Bill

 

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