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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 617868 times)

Offline Groundloop

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1110 on: May 04, 2011, 09:05:13 PM »
The "results" I have shown in the simulation using the same measurement as yours, are no more "overunity" (or COP>1) than they would be if you were to place one scope probe on the Vbat 60V (or 72V) battery feed as before, but for the second probe you placed it across one of the batteries in reverse (with an isolated probe so as not to ground-short the system). If you now multiplied these two probe voltages together (60V x -12V), then applied a MEAN function, you would have a "result" equating to approximately -720W appearing to go back into the battery!

Guys - what Poynty is trying to say here is that the positive of the probe across the CSR is directly on the NEGATIVE RAIL of the battery and that the ground is between the CSR and the Gate of Q2.  I ASSURE YOU THIS IS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.  The positive of the probe from the Scope is on the Far side of the CSR - near the gate and the GROUND of the SCOPE is up against the negative terminal.  I will photograph this if required.  But will only be able to upload all tomorrow.  THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HACKED TO DEATH.

Groundloop I see your post but not the schematic.  If you can email this I'll be glad.  But I'm ABSOLUTELY SATISFIED that it'll now be correct.  Many thanks indeed for your input.

Kindest as ever,
Rosie

Rosemary,

I have emailed you a copy converted to JPG.

GL.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1111 on: May 04, 2011, 09:09:59 PM »
Well Cat - if that's the case then I wonder what on EARTH has belief got to do with science.  Isn't it rather dependent on EVIDENCE.  Isn't belief something that has everything to do with philosophy or even theology and absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER with SCIENCE?

GOLLY.  Next we'll be determining the proof of dark energy through public opinion poll.  What a laugh.  Science - not only by consensus but requiring nothing more than popular support.  It rather corrupts the purity of it's rather contentious truths if science must first be subjected to a political forum.  And I think that if science were still to be evaluated by some kind of democratic principle then we're really in deep water.  Didn't we leave that mind set behind with the Middle Ages?

Is that what the poll is?  I can't read it.  I'll check it out in the morning.  ROLL ON THURSDAY when I'll get my computers cleaned. 

Regards,
Rosie

edited.  Much need spelling correction  :)
« Last Edit: May 05, 2011, 09:08:09 AM by Rosemary Ainslie »

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1112 on: May 04, 2011, 09:13:23 PM »
The position of the shunt directly on the negative rail of the supply source is THE CORRECT way to determine the flow of current through and from that supply.  There is NO OTHER WAY.
I've been meaning to address this, and since this is the second time you've mentioned it, I'll ask this now:

Since the CSR has apparently recently been relocated to a different position with different connections (and hence different measurements), is the above an assertion which constitutes an open admission that all the previous "results" (with the previous configuration) obtained and illustrated both via scope shots, and the demonstration video are no longer accurate and valid?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1112 on: May 04, 2011, 09:13:23 PM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1113 on: May 04, 2011, 09:22:07 PM »
This is your comment Poynty.

Since the CSR has apparently recently been relocated to a different position with different connections (and hence different measurements), is the above an assertion which constitutes an open admission that all the previous "results" (with the previous configuration) obtained and illustrated both via scope shots, and the demonstration video are no longer accurate and valid?

.99


And I've answered it here.  And this is just one of MANY such references.  I'll dig them all out when this computer is less 'sticky' and I can find them all.

THAT’s how it’s configured. And that’s how it needs to be configured.  HOWEVER – if you – for any reason CANNOT put the ground directly onto Q2 Gate.  NO PROBLEM.  Just put it onto the source rail directly – in front of or after the CSR.  IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THE RESULTS – Just marginal variations at BEST.

Clearly you either don't read what I write or you can't or you won't or you do but just pretend that you don't.  Golly.  That's quite a lot of options.  In any event.  It would help if you'd read them first off because then we'd be able to eliminate 2/3's of this already overly large thread - and we'd be able to get back on topic.  So.  All in all, I'd recommend it.

Rosie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1114 on: May 04, 2011, 11:05:18 PM »
The poll is not about stopping you posting or getting you band, it is about whether the members here believe your circuit does what you claim.

Talk about "nuspeak" The ones who made the pole, with their own preconceived ideas, are the ones who will vote in the poll. Ergo, the pole will be close to 100% in favor of disbelief... amazing!

Ron

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1115 on: May 05, 2011, 12:11:21 AM »
Ron,

You seem like a fairly level-headed individual, and since you are active in this thread and seem to understand Rose, I have a sincere request:

Could I impose on you to provide a synopsis for the above "answer" Rose offered to my question?

Much appreciated,
.99

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1116 on: May 05, 2011, 12:51:16 AM »
Talk about "nuspeak" The ones who made the pole, with their own preconceived ideas, are the ones who will vote in the poll. Ergo, the pole will be close to 100% in favor of disbelief... amazing!

Ron

Rosie is one that is claiming OU for the last two years.
I feel I have now seen more than enough to form my own conclusion (it doesn't work as claimed)
It is indeed very interesting research but Rosie is claiming OU not me
so can you Ron substantiate that claim of OU, if you can you have done something that other members like Woopy, Gotoluc, TinselKoala  have missed in the last two years.

Good luck with this one Ron, you persevered with Thane Heins maybe you'll get lucky with Rosie

Rosie's work is very interesting and I'm learning a lot but that aside, claiming OU for the last two years  ::)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1117 on: May 05, 2011, 12:54:29 AM »
hi all

So far ,my small intelligence is able to think that , when people are not interested  in a subject , normally they leave it, and the sayd subject desapears from itself
.
very simple isn'it ?

But in the Rose's  subject not only it does not desapears , but the subject seems so important that it requires a POLL , to see if the members of this forum apreciate or not the discussion or the proposed and defended object. DU GENRE "good or not good "

We are going to court here. OOUUUPSS !!! I did not know that a forum could go so far !!   Simply ridiculous at my eyes sorry !!

Another time this circuit seems not so difficult or too expensive to replicate for such elevated and educated people as you P.99 and others here
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Why don't you test it in real life ? so everything would be OK .

So we could be clear if  the circuit is in accordance with what Rose claims , or not and BASTA !

good luck at all

Laurent


Wow Rose your work is really interesting and provoque a huge interest

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1118 on: May 05, 2011, 02:37:36 AM »
I am indeed trying to establish what the circuit connections are so I and others can build it.

An appeal to all;

Does this circuit diagram accurately depict Rose's "new" circuit connections?

.99

PS. As shown, I was not able to get the circuit to oscillate in the simulation.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1118 on: May 05, 2011, 02:37:36 AM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1119 on: May 05, 2011, 02:58:29 AM »
SO.  Here’s how it’s ALWAYS configured AND NOT AS IT WAS CONFIGURED FOR THE DEMO.

Q1 GATE to Q2 SOURCE
Q1 DRAIN to Q2 DRAIN
Q1 SOURCE to Q2 GATE.

Functions Generator INPUT to Q1 GATE
Functions Generator GROUND to Q2 GATE.

THAT’s how it’s configured. And that’s how it needs to be configured.  HOWEVER – if you – for any reason CANNOT put the ground directly onto Q2 Gate.  NO PROBLEM.  Just put it onto the source rail directly – in front of or after the CSR.  IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THE RESULTS – Just marginal variations at BEST.

Regards,
Rosemary
:o ??? :o ???

Can anyone make any sense of that last part?

Here is my own precarious take on it:
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Just put it onto the source rail directly
By "source", does Rose mean battery ground, or the Source pin of one of the MOSFETs?

If my above diagram is correct, then placing the FG ground lead on either end of the CSR is a very different connection than placing it on the Q2 Gate.

I am open to any corrections.

Thanks,
.99

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1120 on: May 05, 2011, 04:46:47 AM »
Rosie is one that is claiming OU for the last two years.
I feel I have now seen more than enough to form my own conclusion (it doesn't work as claimed)
It is indeed very interesting research but Rosie is claiming OU not me
so can you Ron substantiate that claim of OU, if you can you have done something that other members like Woopy, Gotoluc, TinselKoala  have missed in the last two years.

Good luck with this one Ron, you persevered with Thane Heins maybe you'll get lucky with Rosie

Rosie's work is very interesting and I'm learning a lot but that aside, claiming OU for the last two years  ::)

An interesting comment PC, gotoluc worked with Thane just before I did, yet I have never heard him speak one way or another on Thane. I quite like gotoluc's channel and subscribe. I think he does a lot to further interest in this fascinating field.

If you look at my video's you will see my first love is still Veljko's pendulum, followed by Flynn/Hildendrand motors, with a wee bit of coil shorting thrown in.

BUT, I am not really interested in OU, I just like building things. It leads to all sorts of specialized knowledge, keeps the grey matter active! Yes, I am still learning things at my age, plus I get to try out some totally new chips, it is fascinating.

I have followed Rosie's device for years. I have read all the forums, I know people who have tried this... with no success, so what is it you are trying to tell me? Only experiment with known proven devices like the wheel or kleenex? Never ever venture into unknown territory? Stay inside the box, do not have any thoughts of your own that are contrary to you peers?

I do this because its fun. I will form my own conclusions when I am ready to. I enjoy meeting and working with these kind of people, who like to contribute to society with their original ideas. I learn things.

Ron

Edit: 13,000 hits on my pendulum build and 10,000 on my coil winder, I find that incredible... but notice TK was the only one to seriously question my mentality... now I will be able to add you guys to the list also


 


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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1121 on: May 05, 2011, 06:44:30 AM »
Golly - all that I see is more and more polarised opinion.  Actually PC - there have been many replications and validations.  Let me list them.
 
BP South Africa, ABB Research (NC), SASOL (SA) (who also offered a bursary award to UCT - which was declined), Spescom (SA), CSIR (SA) (confirmed  an anomaly but confined comments to one insignificant result ONLY) And between this lot - not less than 18 qualified electrical engineers - at least.  Other smaller companies and their engineers - not less than plus/minus 60 engineers - at least.

Then. AT PUBLIC DEMONSTRATIONS - including a demonstration held at MTN Sciencentre in CT where the viewers were numbered in their hundreds.  Unfortunately no academics and no experts.  Also, an earlier demo held at the conference rooms of Price Waterhouse Coopers, at least 50 members of the public and two academics.  The one academic deferred to his colleague - Professor Green who refused to comment other than saying that there were probably measurement errors.  Professor Green absolutely refused to investigate the matter further.   

THEN on the INTERNET.  FuzzyTomCat who was guided into the required waveforms by myself over many, many, many hours of discussion via SKYPE - who then replicated, allowed his data to be referenced in a paper and then systematically withdrew his data and proceeded to deny my rights to reference the work at all - notwithstanding some earlier disclosures on open source. And that evidence was seen and made available in a detailed paper which was, in turn, seen by about 3000 people on SCRIBD. Then I had my own version of the paper at SCRIBD which was withdrawn by SCRIBD on claims of plagiarism by FuzzyTomCat. Approximately 5000 hits prior to withdrawal.

And still on the subject of publications - we also had a publication in Quantum Magazine where there was a readership in the thousands.  And the publication of that paper on the internet has drawn a readership - probably upwards of of 10 000.  All culminating in our DEMO held on the 12 March, 2011 - at CPUT - where we had 15 qualified electrical engineers view the historical event of COP INFINITY - and subsequent reports and discussions of this which is certainly upwards of 1000 a day and climbing.

I need to remind you all about this.  Because what happens is that a handful of individuals including the following, Poynty, Harvey, Ion, Pickle, MileHigh, CatLady, FuzzyTomCat, Ashtweth, Mookie, Peterae and possibly a few others here - all vociferously and unfailingly and somewhat disproportionately and certainly very, very urgently - deny all.  Which inclines me to suppose that there is possibly an agenda in all their denial.  I think I've covered it all.  Hope so anyway,

Kindest regards,
Rosie

Edited layout and emphases.  Should have added many more who've seen this and stand by these numbers but the subject is getting boring.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2011, 09:28:00 AM by Rosemary Ainslie »

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1122 on: May 05, 2011, 07:19:47 AM »
Guys - Poynty's simulations are meaningless.  He's been 'hoisted by his own petard' in as much as he's duplicated the waveforms from the 'get go'.  And he could not have done that without the transpositions of the MOSFETS.

But I grant that there are ongoing confusions.  If there are any related to how we've positioned those MOSFETs - then please just do this.  Put the one to the other  Q1 and Q2 - Gate to source, drain to drain, Source to Gate.  That way you'll have configured it as required.  When it comes to an illustration of this - then, convention mitigates against a clear presentation.  This because the 'gate' is conventionally shown as being between the source and the gate legs. 

Then - it is more than likely that I'm describing this wrongly.  I'll ask my team how I should describe it.  But here's what I mean.  There are two leads off the functions generator.  The one 'positive' goes to the gate of Q1 - the second whether it's properly described as 'ground' or 'negative' or whatever, - that one goes to the gate of Q2.  Sorry guys.  It's the best I can do.  And that's only if you use a functions generator at all.  I'm absolutely not able to assist when it comes to moving away from a functions generator - or at it's least - a 555.  But there's a way of doing this too.  And I'm rather relying on your own skills here to find out how to get some energy into the system that may at least be usable.  I think thay Groundloop may have some interesting thoughts here. 

What we need to do is move away from any more discussion with Poynty - as it relates to those simulations.  If he could oblige us here then that would be appreciated.  Unfortunately it's what he knows and what he does best.  What would be far more to the desirable is if he takes the trouble to build a replication or even a variation. I confidently predict that he will NOT find benefit because that conforms to his agenda.  But it would be nice to be proved wrong.  If he sees no value in doing this - then, as I've said, move away that we can move on.  Otherwise we'll be spending another 2 years discussing the correct diagrammatic illustration of the FETs when we should be discussing how to apply this.

And what I assure you is that there are some hefty energies available in our little circuit and there is no limit to the number of ways this can be configured.  And that's its strength.  It is only a kind of generic illustration of how that BEMF can be exploited.  And there are a lot more of generating this BEMF than is traditionally expected. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Edited.  Spelling and gramma   ;D
« Last Edit: May 05, 2011, 09:34:26 AM by Rosemary Ainslie »

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1123 on: May 05, 2011, 07:36:05 AM »
 ;D

It seems either I or this poor little circuit of mine is again under discussion at OUR.com.  POYNTY?  Am I again denied access?  Are you AGAIN conferring behind closed doors?

Whatever next?   ::)

Guys - it seems that Poynty is playing his cards rather close to the chest.  If any of you can see what gives there I'd be very glad if you could email me with some copies.  My best email is ainslie@mweb.co.za.  Otherwise they'll be 'plotting' and I won't be able to discover their 'next move'.  LOL

Unless, of course, OUR.com is no longer public.  That would be a really good thing. 

Regards,
Rosemary

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1124 on: May 05, 2011, 08:54:45 AM »
hi all

So far ,my small intelligence is able to think that , when people are not interested  in a subject , normally they leave it, and the sayd subject desapears from itself
.
very simple isn'it ?

But in the Rose's  subject not only it does not desapears , but the subject seems so important that it requires a POLL , to see if the members of this forum apreciate or not the discussion or the proposed and defended object. DU GENRE "good or not good "

We are going to court here. OOUUUPSS !!! I did not know that a forum could go so far !!   Simply ridiculous at my eyes sorry !!

Another time this circuit seems not so difficult or too expensive to replicate for such elevated and educated people as you P.99 and others here
.
Why don't you test it in real life ? so everything would be OK .

So we could be clear if  the circuit is in accordance with what Rose claims , or not and BASTA !

good luck at all

Laurent


Wow Rose your work is really interesting and provoque a huge interest

 ;D

Thanks Laurent. 

 

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