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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 631274 times)

Offline i_ron

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1095 on: May 04, 2011, 05:59:56 PM »
I think you know what I am getting at. If not then I'll certainly try my best to help you understand.

.99

Yes, all too well. But what you may have missed here is it is all right if you post one circuit and talk about another, I'm supposed to understand. Yet if Rosemary where to post similarly, then it is the end of the world.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1096 on: May 04, 2011, 06:20:46 PM »
The confusions that have been visited on this really simple circuit are confusions that Poynt is relying on – in his efforts to utterly obfuscate this circuit design.

Guys – look at his post 994 – if it is still post 994.  Otherwise – the post thereby – that shows the underside of the circuit board.  NOTA BENE.  The ground is shown on the far side of the CSR.  That IS how we configured it for the DEMONSTRATION – because we ran out of space on the only available NODE.  That is NOT how we configure it for our ongoing standard tests where we ONLY USE THE LECROY. 

SO.  Here’s how it’s ALWAYS configured AND NOT AS IT WAS CONFIGURED FOR THE DEMO.

Q1 GATE to Q2 SOURCE
Q1 DRAIN to Q2 DRAIN
Q1 SOURCE to Q2 GATE.

Functions Generator INPUT to Q1 GATE
Functions Generator GROUND to Q2 GATE.

THAT’s how it’s configured. And that’s how it needs to be configured.  HOWEVER – if you – for any reason CANNOT put the ground directly onto Q2 Gate.  NO PROBLEM.  Just put it onto the source rail directly – in front of or after the CSR.  IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO THE RESULTS – Just marginal variations at BEST.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1097 on: May 04, 2011, 06:50:59 PM »
Yes, all too well. But what you may have missed here is it is all right if you post one circuit and talk about another, I'm supposed to understand. Yet if Rosemary where to post similarly, then it is the end of the world.

Ron

Noted. I will try to do better in the future.

However, you DID understand, and I suspect most everyone did also. I think you made a mountain from a molehill, and really didn't establish the point you had intended.

Now, if you would see fit to afford Rose the same scrutiny you just did to my post, it might help move this topic in a forward direction.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1097 on: May 04, 2011, 06:50:59 PM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1098 on: May 04, 2011, 07:06:32 PM »
. I think you made a mountain from a molehill
.99

    Coming from you that's rich.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1099 on: May 04, 2011, 07:36:00 PM »
Well Poynty Point.  I’m not sure that anyone’s holding a knife to your throat.  If you don’t like me and you don’t approve of this technology – then there’s a simple solution.  Just go away.  I believe you’ve got your own forum where you and your cronies can rabbit on about the stupidity of over unity claims - for as long as like.  And then you can bore yourselves to tears and feel very superior while you’re at it.

For some reason there’s an ardent over commitment to protect us from our own interests.  And I think that the most members on this forum can tolerate the fact that I am an amateur because the most of them are only really interested in the facts of this experiment.  And while I’m an amateur – those who have assisted me in this development  – most certainly are not.  And even as an amateur it seems that I have MUCH to teach you.   Let me remind you about your undersampling claims, among many other rather deliberate obfuscations.

Just go away Poynty Point.  And leave us all with our freedoms to decide what we want to discuss – or not.  It seems that the only people dedicated to stopping this discussion is you and Pickle.  Others who don’t care enough just don’t bother to ‘dip in’ here.  That’s how it should be any democratic forum.  Unless of course, you’re trying to turn this into a tyranny – where only you have a voice.  Where only your opinion matters.  Unless you’re trying to derail this thread because you JUST really need to keep a lid on things.

I would have thought – in general – that if this is all nonsense – then it will all just ‘die a natural death’.  Truth, on the other hand, seems to survive all kinds of attack.  So.  Let the story unfold – as indeed it will.  Just stop trying to tell us what that truth is.  You clearly ignore even the truth of your own simulation results.  I’m not sure that you’re equal to this particular truth.  So.  Just exercise your own democratic freedoms of choice and GO AWAY.  It’s simple.

Rosie.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1100 on: May 04, 2011, 08:05:07 PM »
I poynted out that the poll topic started by Poynt has 7 questions...one of which is positive, one is neutral, and the other five are negative.  Sounds a little biased to me.  Pollsters frequently do this when they want the results to match their prior beliefs so they can justify them.

Bill

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1101 on: May 04, 2011, 08:11:37 PM »
@All,

I have made a new drawing of the RA switch based on email information from Rosemary.
The function generator signal input is on the gate at Q1 and the reference of the function generator
is on the gate on Q2 etc. The shunt resistors are in series with the minus rail on the batteries.

GL.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1102 on: May 04, 2011, 08:15:37 PM »
Just stop trying to tell us what that truth is.  You clearly ignore even the truth of your own simulation results.  I’m not sure that you’re equal to this particular truth.
The truth is that your inability to understand what you are looking at and measuring on your oscilloscope, is what is keeping you from seeing the truth about this apparatus.

I'll try to spell it out for you Rose:

Those "results" in the simulation are very similar to your "results". Granted, and I am delighted that you see that and agree with that. However, you should know that a simulation of a real circuit could never truly provide overunity results. The simulations I have run of your circuit, (including the slight variations I've come up with) DO NOT in reality indicate an overunity result.

The "results" I have shown in the simulation using the same measurement as yours, are no more "overunity" (or COP>1) than they would be if you were to place one scope probe on the Vbat 60V (or 72V) battery feed as before, but for the second probe you placed it across one of the batteries in reverse (with an isolated probe so as not to ground-short the system). If you now multiplied these two probe voltages together (60V x -12V), then applied a MEAN function, you would have a "result" equating to approximately -720W appearing to go back into the battery!

The truth is that this "result" is not representative of anything meaningful at all. It is simply an arbitrary figure obtained by multiplying one relevant voltage by one irrelevant voltage, and that is precisely what is going on with your measurement (and mine in the sim).

I have shown with the simulation results, that there is simultaneously a "result", and a true result. The true result was obtained by using the built-in wattage probe placed directly on the battery. The meaningless "result" was obtained by multiplying the battery voltage, by the CSR voltage as it is incorrectly placed and connected in your circuit. These two results are miles apart, and only one is correct.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1103 on: May 04, 2011, 08:27:37 PM »
I poynted out that the poll topic started by Poynt has 7 questions...one of which is positive, one is neutral, and the other five are negative.  Sounds a little biased to me.  Pollsters frequently do this when they want the results to match their prior beliefs so they can justify them.

Bill

I stated that I would add any selections that are required. I am giving you license to influence the poll as you wish, as long as the selection is not a repeat of what is already there.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1104 on: May 04, 2011, 08:37:57 PM »
Those were supplied as requested.  They were ignored.  None of the supplied questions were repeats of the existing questions.  They just were not biased toward the negative like the originals.

Bill

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1105 on: May 04, 2011, 08:41:22 PM »

The "results" I have shown in the simulation using the same measurement as yours, are no more "overunity" (or COP>1) than they would be if you were to place one scope probe on the Vbat 60V (or 72V) battery feed as before, but for the second probe you placed it across one of the batteries in reverse (with an isolated probe so as not to ground-short the system). If you now multiplied these two probe voltages together (60V x -12V), then applied a MEAN function, you would have a "result" equating to approximately -720W appearing to go back into the battery!

Guys - what Poynty is trying to say here is that the positive of the probe across the CSR is directly on the NEGATIVE RAIL of the battery and that the ground is between the CSR and the Gate of Q2.  I ASSURE YOU THIS IS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.  The positive of the probe from the Scope is on the Far side of the CSR - near the gate and the GROUND of the SCOPE is up against the negative terminal.  I will photograph this if required.  But will only be able to upload all tomorrow.  THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HACKED TO DEATH.

Groundloop I see your post but not the schematic.  If you can email this I'll be glad.  But I'm ABSOLUTELY SATISFIED that it'll now be correct.  Many thanks indeed for your input.

Kindest as ever,
Rosie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1106 on: May 04, 2011, 08:44:34 PM »
Those were supplied as requested.  They were ignored.  None of the supplied questions were repeats of the existing questions.  They just were not biased toward the negative like the originals.

Bill

I honestly have not looked at that thread for a while. I am at work, and when I have a moment, I have been analyzing Rose's latest connection diagram, kindly provided by GL.

I'll go look at your proposed additions momentarily. Your patience in getting those added is appreciated.

.99

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1107 on: May 04, 2011, 08:46:41 PM »
And what in Heaven's name is all this nonsense about a poll?  Are you trying to determine my rights to post here on this forum.  Good heavens.  I don't think that's in dispute.  And, in any event, Harti is the one who decides that. 

It just beggars belief.  I'm a well meaning - in fact an 'ardent' - promoter or some really required technology - and instead of being welcomed and protected Poynty's now subjecting me to the embarrassment and indignity of an opinion poll.  I wonder if his excesses are now getting grossly out of hand.  I'm not sure that my efforts are deserving of so much flagrant disrespect.  Come on guys.  Is this a forum for discussion or an arena for assassination?  This is absolutely untenable.

Rosemary

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1108 on: May 04, 2011, 08:56:23 PM »
And just to round off the discussion.  I saw Poynty's argument coming at me with all the subtlety of bull elephant charge.  Here's the FACTS.

The shunt resistor has an inductive component.  That needs to be factored into all analysis of the current flow.  BUT.  The position of the shunt directly on the negative rail of the supply source is THE CORRECT way to determine the flow of current through and from that supply.  There is NO OTHER WAY.  And lol.  I am CERTAINLY capable of putting the probes in the wrong positions.  But I would be very sorry if you thought that our team members are likely to. 

Actually it's nice to see how desparate are these objections.  And how facile.  I'm beginning to feel a bit more relaxed about things.  lol.

Kindest regards
Rosie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #1109 on: May 04, 2011, 08:58:54 PM »
And what in Heaven's name is all this nonsense about a poll?  Are you trying to determine my rights to post here on this forum.  Good heavens.  I don't think that's in dispute.  And, in any event, Harti is the one who decides that. 

It just beggars belief.  I'm a well meaning - in fact an 'ardent' - promoter or some really required technology - and instead of being welcomed and protected Poynty's now subjecting me to the embarrassment and indignity of an opinion poll.  I wonder if his excesses are now getting grossly out of hand.  I'm not sure that my efforts are deserving of so much flagrant disrespect.  Come on guys.  Is this a forum for discussion or an arena for assassination?  This is absolutely untenable.

Rosemary

The poll is not about stopping you posting or getting you band, it is about whether the members here believe your circuit does what you claim.

 

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