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Author Topic: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011  (Read 639266 times)

Offline neptune

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #105 on: March 17, 2011, 09:16:17 PM »
Hi Rosemary , I did not realise there was a report on your Blog . I will take a look . Thanks .

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #107 on: March 17, 2011, 10:35:00 PM »
Dear Rosemary [ I know you don't like @Rosemary] I have read the report on your blog .I have to say that I found it very informative .I was amazed the you could make the magic oscillation last for 2.7 MINUTES and not 2.7 seconds as I previously misread . One other thing .For that to happen , your function generator was running at6.172 millihertz .Hell . I could imitate that with 2 torch batteries and some jump leads and a stopwatch! Seriously , what I am saying is that even with my poor eyesight , I could build a mechanical pulse generator using a motor driven cam and some torch batteries And incorporate variable voltage offset.That way, it eliminates all the uncertainties of 555 timers . I also think , that almost any oscilloscope would do if its sole purpose is to look for the magic oscillation .I might well give it a go yet .

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #107 on: March 17, 2011, 10:35:00 PM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #108 on: March 18, 2011, 01:15:18 AM »
@evolvingape
Hi,

I was not being facetious and suggesting that load testing was exact. What I was trying to do was formulate an approach that would indicate whether or not there was net drawdown on the battery bank as Mark so rightly pointed out. No assumptions or claims can be made at all until this issue is resolved!
i wasn't suggesting you were being facetious. i was attempting to nip in the bud a foreseen point of contention. thanks for the reply but you didn't answer my question.




@ poynt
Method to determine if the proposed alternative to measuring current has any significant effect on the wave forms and values:

Select a MEAN measurement in the scope for the CSR channel. This is equivalent to determining the average value using the RC/DVM method. Note the measurement in the scope.

Keep the scope probe attached to the CSR, and attach the RC filter and DVM as I outlined. Note the MEAN value the scope is measuring to see if it has changed. Note the CSR wave form to see if it has changed. Note the voltage reading on the DVM and compare with the scope measurement.

.99

PS. If you can find a 24-bit scope, I'd be quite happy to discuss it.  ;)
thanks poynt! and how can you be certain your scope has enough resolution to see a difference? an 8bit oscope has a crap ADC (only 256 'steps') and i've haven't even touched on the noise (from the 'front end' of the DSO) nor the fact that accuracy (most DSOs quote 3% to 5% DC accuracy) isn't even usually regarded as important for most oscilloscopes.

p.s.  it was a jest poynt... that's why i winked at you. ;) a poynted one raising the issue of exactly how scopes "scope", their inherent inadequacies (ADC converter) and how nice it would be to have something with a bit more resolution than 8, 12 or 16bit... ;)  and please ask humbooger to 'buck up' a little bit and quit being so emotional. it was a simple question i asked of him, he didn't have go all sophomoric...
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011, 04:17:23 AM by WilbyInebriated »


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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #109 on: March 18, 2011, 02:39:53 AM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #110 on: March 18, 2011, 03:30:42 AM »
@poynt99,

It would be interesting to see Rosemary's circuit modeled in PSpice. I can't see anyone around here better than you to do that. Would you be willing to sim it? That would answer a lot of questions.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #111 on: March 18, 2011, 04:17:30 AM »
@poynt99,

It would be interesting to see Rosemary's circuit modeled in PSpice. I can't see anyone around here better than you to do that. Would you be willing to sim it? That would answer a lot of questions.

LOL.

Omnibus, I have simulated this thing to death, many many months ago! I've even tried simulating her latest, but that was before she revealed the important facts that they are using a negative offset in the Gate drive, and that they are paralleling 5 MOSFETs together.

I would have to set up a DC sweep of the offset in order to find the sweet spot where the thing bursts into self-oscillation. As I find time I will try this.

.99

PS. I just saw your other posts in your thread. I don't know what else I can offer other than what I already have.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #113 on: March 18, 2011, 04:23:27 AM »
@omnibus
I actually know someone who did replicate and earlier circuit with spice and built it. The circuit perfromed exactly as the spice simulation suggested...but not as claimed. This does not apply to the current experiment..but that spice is sure good.
Mark

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #113 on: March 18, 2011, 04:23:27 AM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #114 on: March 18, 2011, 04:26:28 AM »
My apologies Wilby, I thought it was a general question and not directed at me.

I do not know why science cannot measure exactly what energy is contained in a battery. It is obviously a flaw in the understanding. I am not disputing this.

Tesla's view was that all things have electrical content. I agree with this.

I am not disputing the fact that Rosemary's approach may have some merit, I think along similar non classical lines myself in the search for truth. I find the oscillation she has discovered very interesting, however I think it to be premature to make any wild claims about it before ruling out all possible alternate causes. Indeed it is bad science, and bad engineering to do so.

The problem I have currently is that every time hard questions are asked to attempt measurements in a classical understanding they are ignored. Why ? What will those measurements show ?

Often when Rosemary does not have an answer she will resort to her “thesis”, and change the subject entirely.

Am I to understand that this thesis is finished, complete and available for viewing somewhere ? Or is it the case that the thesis is what is being presented by Rosemary in this thread ?

The issues I have with presenting the thesis in “forum chat” are the fact that Rosemary often contradicts herself from paragraph to paragraph, and post to post, so how are we to trust what she has presented here as her thesis ?

The whole business with “parasitic oscillation” demonstrated that things are in a constant state of flux with her statements. How you can possibly discount something entirely, and state it false, while updating your blog to claim it was the sole purpose of the demonstration is beyond my understanding.

I would much prefer Rosemary to write a comprehensive thesis, laying everything out, taking all the measurements possible, posting her theoretical calculations of what she expects to see as opposed to what the measurements show, some hard numbers would be nice, some full specifications would be great along with detailed operating procedures. A proper record of Rosemary's position on this matter is required for credibility.

As it stands at the moment the infinite energy claims have been made, statements that the numbers stack when there are no numbers, accurate measurements have been taken when there is no proof of this. Selective measuring of certain variables and the complete exclusion of others.

So what are we to think ?

Rosemary's work will never be accepted by me while it is based purely on self assertion that it is correct.

No claims to overunity can be made until it has been proven that more energy is coming out than is going in, whatever the cause, classical or non classical. This has not been demonstrated by the report at all.

I hope that the demonstration video when it surfaces shows us indisputable evidence that the oscillation is creating additional energy from an alternate source. Time will tell.

RM :)

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #115 on: March 18, 2011, 04:26:59 AM »
@omnibus
I actually know someone who did replicate and earlier circuit with spice and built it. The circuit perfromed exactly as the spice simulation suggested...but not as claimed. This does not apply to the current experiment..but that spice is sure good.
Mark
is this data available for you to present?

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #115 on: March 18, 2011, 04:26:59 AM »
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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #116 on: March 18, 2011, 04:27:33 AM »
LOL.

Omnibus, I have simulated this thing to death, many many months ago! I've even tried simulating her latest, but that was before she revealed the important facts that they are using a negative offset in the Gate drive, and that they are paralleling 5 MOSFETs together.

I would have to set up a DC sweep of the offset in order to find the sweet spot where the thing bursts into self-oscillation. As I find time I will try this.

.99

PS. I just saw your other posts in your thread. I don't know what else I can offer other than what I already have.

Could you possibly share the PSpice files? It would be interesting to see what others will conclude. PSpice seems to offer a way to get pretty conclusive results.

As for the other results, you may see that I've included a Zener diode which cuts off half of the current within a period. This way the integral of current over time won't be zero as when the full wave is integrated and thus Pin should be voltage offset dependent.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #117 on: March 18, 2011, 04:30:45 AM »
Kapanadze's, Bedini and so forth should also be modeled to see conclusively what we're looking at. Otherwise it will go on for years and because the people here overwhelmingly are underfunded, the racket will continue indefinitely.

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #118 on: March 18, 2011, 05:18:42 AM »
Dear Rosemary [ I know you don't like @Rosemary] I have read the report on your blog .I have to say that I found it very informative .I was amazed the you could make the magic oscillation last for 2.7 MINUTES and not 2.7 seconds as I previously misread . One other thing .For that to happen , your function generator was running at6.172 millihertz .Hell . I could imitate that with 2 torch batteries and some jump leads and a stopwatch! Seriously , what I am saying is that even with my poor eyesight , I could build a mechanical pulse generator using a motor driven cam and some torch batteries And incorporate variable voltage offset.That way, it eliminates all the uncertainties of 555 timers . I also think , that almost any oscilloscope would do if its sole purpose is to look for the magic oscillation .I might well give it a go yet .

Great stuff Neptune.  Every bit helps.  Just note that there is a whole lot of iron on that resistor and it, unquestionably, adds to those gains.  We'll publish photos and videos on Monday.  Whatever else you use - try and keep a threaded rod number of sorts.  Also.  Each MOSFET has its own heat sink.  I'm not sure if this is required or not.  Otherwise it's all standard.

BTW.  I share you problem with bad eyesight.  I know something about the difficulties that result from this.  Fortunately I see very clearly when I'm about an inch away from what I'm trying to see.   ;D  That's short sighted with a vengeance. 

Kindest regards,
Rosie

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Re: Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011
« Reply #119 on: March 18, 2011, 05:38:59 AM »
Guys - the video should be up by Monday. 

It is mentioned - all over the place that we don't give the Pout Pin numbers that you guys prefer.  There's a reason for this.  The wattage returned to the battery is that HUGE that it's almost an embarrassment.  We're still trying to reconcile this.  What the team needs is a mathematician.  If there are any out there that are interested - then PLEASE - let me know.  Somehow - in full operation mode - that power is exponentially increased.  It is not entirely resolved by factoring in inductance and impedance.  But that does help some. 

Rosemary

I should add this.  We have very high temperatures when we're in that 'booster' mode - and I suspect that we're then getting some kind of wattage reconciliation.  But the heat is that extreme and it rises that fast that we've not even managed to do a data dump.  Everything then becomes critical and we barely get the time to check that the voltage levels are still compatible with the DSO's.  Then, indeed - we're possibly getting something that correlates with our measurements.  But then too, we're talking really high wattage values.  Well in excess of the 44 watt tolerance that we know we can test - safely.  The urgency then is to disconnect.  Fast.  It's really quick and really hot.

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