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Author Topic: Shorting coil gives back more power  (Read 352519 times)

Offline Thaelin

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #435 on: March 30, 2011, 04:43:01 PM »
   I would like to address Tudi's question on what is the power out to the power in. The answer is still out there as we are in process. I am soon to fire up my combo motor/gen with shorting as well.
   The point I would like to pass on is what can be done with the output. Take a motor for use on 12 volts and it has heavy winding due to the amount of amps it must draw to perform the said task. Take the same task and use a higher voltage motor to do the same and it takes less amps so less size of windings. Like in a E-Bike, much easier to use a 48v motor than a 12. I know from experience there. My 12v try failed miserable for me.
   The test of time here will be when this is brought into resonance as well and then see where it goes.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #435 on: March 30, 2011, 04:43:01 PM »

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #436 on: March 30, 2011, 06:10:54 PM »
Very Nice!
I like where this thread has been going since I last had a peek.
We finally figured out the simple method of using the SSG to short the coil
"http://tinyurl.com/SSGshort"
will have to give the Opto a try.
Thanks,
Patrick

Nice job on that configuration Patrick.  I like the idea of triggering the shorting process by using a coil/transistor/cap setup that uses no battery!  I'll have to rewatch the vid but did you show what transistor you are using?  Also a question on the shorting coil as I thought you said it was air core (which I thought was best for this) but at the last few seconds it looked like it got sucked into one of the magnets when the wheel was still (which made me think there is an iron core of some sort). 

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #437 on: March 30, 2011, 06:55:16 PM »
@ Tudi,

There is not an official recorded instance of OU device able to sustain itself while being powered by an "unknown" power source (other than wind, sun, earth energy etc) able to put out substantial amounts of power and being economical in doing so.

Rumors, theories, possibilities etc are endless, but nothing of real value (in regard to real free energy or almost near to it) to the average tinkerer yet.

My piece of advice: if you are not enjoy working with your hands, design devices/circuits and realize them via trial and error, communicating with others, showing your work and networking that way in a pleasant hobby, then its really little to see here.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #437 on: March 30, 2011, 06:55:16 PM »
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #438 on: March 30, 2011, 08:41:47 PM »
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And can you please change this schematic to use optical switch instead of the hall sensor:
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Hi Joe,

Here is the schematic I have changed to include the opto coupler instead of the Hall sensor.  If you (or someone else) have questions on it please ask.

Gyula

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #439 on: March 30, 2011, 11:29:01 PM »
Hi Gyula

Thanks for circuit, I will try it as soon as I get opto components.

Joe

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #440 on: March 31, 2011, 03:12:16 AM »
Nice job on that configuration Patrick.  I like the idea of triggering the shorting process by using a coil/transistor/cap setup that uses no battery!  I'll have to rewatch the vid but did you show what transistor you are using?  Also a question on the shorting coil as I thought you said it was air core (which I thought was best for this) but at the last few seconds it looked like it got sucked into one of the magnets when the wheel was still (which made me think there is an iron core of some sort).

Thanks, while we're using a coil w/ a welding rod core here, this can easily be accomplished with the Bedini Windowmotor type coil setup. you can even mix and match them, you just need enough voltage and amprage to put on the base of that transistor. you can use a resistor in there or very the proximity to the passing magnet if you have too much coil for the trigger. It's like an SSG out of jail free card - the trigger is free to be where ever it likes :-)

We used the MJE13009G, however, I'm sure many more will work. this is one of the many things on our list to test - SOA curve vs coil impedance. so we can find some optimal rule of thumb.
Thanks for checking it out.
Patrick

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #441 on: March 31, 2011, 09:41:45 AM »
Thanks guys for the friendly feedback. What i was hoping is that i'm wrong. I see so many enthusiast that try hard to reproduce the Ismael Avisio self running car. But i was reading the acknoledgement of the technology and it only describes a good power usage from the storage device to the motor. From ismael talk he is using high voltage on low amps. I see no magic in this, this is a known thing in electronics to reduce the power disipation in the environment. He is simply using a Bedini motor for the conversion from low volts to high spiked voltage.
I would simply like to discuss the principles that people think this would make an over unity device. Having no magic formulas in it eliminates the chance of becoming an OU. Adding more and more parts to the circuit will probably lower the power conversion ration.
PS : i think that when making measurements all should be expressed as input power and output power. Not only a fraction of the power formula. It really pains me to see so many enthusiast people (with equipment i would not even dream to afford buying) to try to invent something that they cannot even measure.

PS: My personal goal is to try to convert as much environmental power as possible into electricity. With the best power conversion ratio. Devices like Ismael do improve the transmission of the power which is really great.

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« Reply #441 on: March 31, 2011, 09:41:45 AM »
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #442 on: April 01, 2011, 02:08:05 AM »
The actual experiments in my conclusions:
    The title of this thread should not be called: "Shorting coil gives back more power", should be changed to: "Shorting coil increase higher voltage. " Because this method does not add more energy, only increased the voltage, but the current drop.

    If I have the opposite view and refute me, please show your real experimental data. Speak with the facts.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #443 on: April 01, 2011, 02:52:07 AM »
Tudi,

These individuals on this thread are experimenting.  The concept is based on Ismael's electric car.  Go find that thread, read through it.  Then experiment.  No one hear will give you what you want.  No one here is even close to that stage.  So please either experiment and post some information, or simply watch.

Thank you and have a nice day,

Bruce

Arthurs,

These individuals on this thread are experimenting.  The concept is based on Ismael's electric car.  Go find that thread, read through it.  Then experiment.  No one hear will give you what you want.  No one here is even close to that stage.  So please either experiment and post some information, or simply watch.

Thank you and have a nice day,

Bruce

(Sheesh, you guys need to chill and learn to add substantive things in your posts... Things that will add to the experimenters work.  So CHILL out and build something...  You want a fact....  I haven't seen you build or test anything on this thread.  So here is my idea... You build it, and test it the way you want, and report back to us here what you find.   ;)   )

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #444 on: April 02, 2011, 10:46:35 PM »
   Just finished with the re-programmed motor run of the F&P. Not really a speed demon but then doesn't have to be. Out put to charge coils is 10 v ac. So for the motor part, success. On to the coil shorting now. I will have 9 shorting circuits in all. Three sets of A,B, and C phase. Great when a plan starts to come together. Shorting has a quite a bite to it too.  ;D

thay

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #445 on: April 04, 2011, 02:55:04 AM »
Make a motor run where there are no commutation sparks...

Then we can talk about what is and what is not.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #446 on: April 04, 2011, 12:14:07 PM »
     Commutation sparks? No commutator here, using a coil for trigger.
Using the same trigger signal for the sine peak sense too. Just too simple
here. But it works.

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« Reply #447 on: April 05, 2011, 12:06:43 AM »
     Commutation sparks? No commutator here, using a coil for trigger.
Using the same trigger signal for the sine peak sense too. Just too simple
here. But it works.

thay

Ishmael has a commutated motor with no sparks.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #449 on: April 19, 2011, 05:24:50 PM »
SM sated over and over to 'Cancel the flux' and 'squeeze the hose'.
Magnacoaster and Kunel do this.
Parametric oscillations do this by starting and stopping flux or reversing allowances. This is also what resonance does.

 

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