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Author Topic: Shorting coil gives back more power  (Read 352601 times)

Offline yssuraxu_697

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #360 on: March 18, 2011, 02:37:15 PM »
Thought I would clarify a bit why I got so excited with this EMP stuff.

What was the party trick of Ismael Aviso?
   Shooting stuff up in the air.
How you do shoot stuff up in the air?
   EMP pulse.
How to make one from tiny average input?
   Capacitor discharge OR flux compression generator!

Also if one really wants to negotiate with strong neoydmiums on equal terms
there is need for another strong neodymium OR EMP pulse.

And the fact that I "discovered" with my pulse motor is that when you
drive it with mini-EMPs and very low resistance coils then for
short period of time one can treat ordinary wire as superconductor.
Meaning you get your EMP and also almost all of the energy is left,
because it will not dissipate in resistance like in classical approach.
And you can do with it all you want.

Also I would point out the Time Constant graph...
http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14191/img/14191_30_2.jpg
0.7TC point looks nice cut-off point for drive coil, doesnt it? :)

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #360 on: March 18, 2011, 02:37:15 PM »

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #361 on: March 18, 2011, 03:43:36 PM »
Interesting.
In my last test with coil at resonant freq I slid the iron core in and out. When mostly air core the scope p-p voltage was at its highest. As the core slid in the signal lowered. This is nothing new but it focused me on the air gap between the magnet and core where the flux would increase and decrease. The flux increases in the gap as the p-p voltage goes down on the scope. The core absorbs the energy and it becomes magnetic energy. Nothing new but it showed the flux field variations the Kunel patent points out. This was a verification of the patent in an partial inverse way. Now what I want to do is put the flux meter in place of the magnet that is the one on the core at the opposite end of where the flux gap is. Then put a low inductance coil in the gap and drive it to see the reaction at the flux meter.
I also am going to drive the gap coil in both directions with a dual pulse protocol of a slow square wave with faster square pulses inside that.

Another idea I have is to make a flux coil like a pancake but with a center hole of half the diameter of the flux holding core, drive that and move the driver coil back and forth in the gap so see the results. Then make another similar pancake so that 2 can reside in the gap and varing places.

This test will take place on the ega color monitor screen for visual flux viewing.

If....   There is anything interesting I will post the results. Otherwise these quick and dirties are just that.

As Stanley Meyer and others have pointed out 'The power is in the potential not the conductor'. Grasp this and it becomes very easy and simple to understand. Kind of disapates all arguments doesn't it?

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #362 on: March 18, 2011, 03:57:37 PM »
Hey guys,

This is really interesting.  I'll have to do my own experiments...  does anyone have an opinion of magnet wire vs insulated wire for the coils?

I'm thinking of experimenting with input pulses in the vicinity of 12V - 160V, probably mostly DC input.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #362 on: March 18, 2011, 03:57:37 PM »
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #363 on: March 18, 2011, 04:24:29 PM »
@GK, @all

Check out my Square Wave pulse simulator, you can see how the actual heterodyned square wave / pwm wave varies from predicted square wave / pwm wave.  The PureData simulation file is here, it supports precise phase calculation.

http://feynmanslab.com/docs
--^ download and run the .pd file in PureData

You can download PureData here:
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/pd-extended

Screenshot attached.

@GK

Are you using magnet wire or insulated wire , and what is your preference?  Also what is the amplitude (V) and freq (khz) of your input?  How did you determine your coils' resonant frequency (experimentally or mathematically?)

Thanks,
Feynman

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #364 on: March 18, 2011, 04:33:46 PM »
Interesting.


GK, I would question that your sketch shows coil shorting? more a pulsed drive?

In tests I did with the Thane shorted coil what I found is shorting the coil reverses the magnetic field of the core.

The setup had a pickup coil on the back of the rotor and the "B" blue trace is triggered from this pickup each time. The "A" red trace is from a hall probe on the end of the I lam core, (opposite end from the rotating magnet)

First pic... normal operation

second pic... shorted

This is of course a full time short and not pulsed but is an easily done experiment to show what happens in a coil shorting moment.

The field reverses on a short, then instantly returns on removal of the short,
generating an intense induced pulse.  My take anyway...

Ron   


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #365 on: March 18, 2011, 04:42:49 PM »


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In tests I did with the Thane shorted coil what I found is shorting the coil reverses the magnetic field of the core.
i_ron


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The field reverses on a short, then instantly returns on removal of the short,
generating an intense induced pulse.

This is a really fascinating result, thanks.   So I think we definitely have an interesting EM effect that needs investigation via further experiments.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #366 on: March 18, 2011, 04:52:38 PM »


This is a really fascinating result, thanks.   So I think we definitely have an interesting EM effect that needs investigation via further experiments.

Thank you!

Here it is then with a single short. See the induced voltage descends to zero
on a short with no negative collapse spike and then springs to life on removal of the short.

Red trace is with probe on divide by 10

Blue trace is output of zero crossing detector circuit

Ron



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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #366 on: March 18, 2011, 04:52:38 PM »
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #367 on: March 18, 2011, 05:18:18 PM »
@i_ron

Okay cool, these spikes are well in excess of 25V... what is your input pulse voltage?  If you can paste any other technical details of the setup when you get some time that would be helpful too.


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #368 on: March 18, 2011, 05:46:06 PM »
@i_ron

Okay cool, these spikes are well in excess of 25V... what is your input pulse voltage?  If you can paste any other technical details of the setup when you get some time that would be helpful too.

I can't remember if I posted this here? But anyway, a bit messy, lol

On a DMM the coil output is 6 volts (AC)  with coil shorting the output is 70 volts after the FWB

As many know I worked with Thane for awhile and built two rotors for him. I was never able to show the results he claimed.

But all this was before coil shorting and so I have never followed up on the implications here. However, rubbing shoulders with some clever people I am gradually learning....

BUT, if the coil reverses polarity on a short...

One should investigate what pole is formed from a shorted coil as the magnet leaves the core....

Ron

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #370 on: March 18, 2011, 06:10:42 PM »
I use both types of wire. Magnet wire gives great field with low current.
I use 26awg stranded silver coated copper with teflon coating for driver coils.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #371 on: March 18, 2011, 06:31:01 PM »
I_ron, your results very much reminds me of NAudin 2Sgen / Groundloop Solid-State Orbo.

In both cases, the strong impulse occurs on the REMOVAL of the electromagnetic (electronically energized) field -- in the presence of a magnet -- which has partially saturated the toroid/core/whatever.   There's a lot in common here.

Naudin 2SGen Solid State Generator
http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm

@GK

Thanks for the input.  I'm going to stick with solid-core wires instead of stranded (because i don't want any 'bumps' in the field), but I will definitely use magnet wire for my tests.

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« Reply #372 on: March 18, 2011, 07:09:21 PM »
Also, can someone please explain to me which diodes are backwards (if any) in the Magnacoaster patent...

Magnacoaster Patent
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/PatD38.pdf

Thanks,
Feynman

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #373 on: March 18, 2011, 09:15:17 PM »
Magnacoasters diode config does seem a bit odd

I see the input diodes look as to conduct source to coil ok. But why the single diodes and bridge when the input is dc?

On the right, the bridge seems to be not correct. And if diodes 102 and 104 are correct in polarity, for what ever reason, then just rotate the bridge counter clockwise 1/4 turn and the coil will conduct to the output batt
The output bridge is looking to be accepting dc in and ac out as is.

It seems as though you could eliminate the bridges all together.

The way the output is configured, and the bridge rotated correctly, only 2 of the diodes in the bridge seem to be in use at any time.

Unless the original circuit is using the diodes breakdown voltages as a spark gap of sorts.  ;]   It is very strange, the way they have most of the diodes. Why on the input and why on the output.

Mags

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #374 on: March 18, 2011, 11:12:04 PM »
My first thought was:
Work the bridges in reverse and the batteries get charge pumped.

But then did he have to show a working model to get the patent? I seem to recall a conversation where he did not. Therefore he could print anything or a reasonable facsimile of a working unit.

 

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