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Offline baroutologos

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #345 on: March 17, 2011, 03:59:11 PM »
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Hehe, looks like you catch the drift ;)
And as always, DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME ;)


Hey,

have you any hands on experience with that concept?
have you ever assembled any device based on the shorting concept or gradual-shorting/  unshorting concept or just you are theorize.

We must have a vivid idea of what it is being discussed here.

Thanks

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #345 on: March 17, 2011, 03:59:11 PM »

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #346 on: March 17, 2011, 04:11:38 PM »
>have you ever assembled any device based on the shorting concept or gradual-shorting/  unshorting concept or just you are theoriz

Shorting/unshorting yes, gradual-shorting/unshorting no. If you do not like the gradual concept feel free to forget it, after all there was "DO NOT TRY IT" disclaimer, and I meant that :P

For those who like the concept and do not read disclaimers... I guess without experiments we cannot move further on this. I feel we have almost all lego pieces but do not 100% know yet how to put them together. Progress is like a spiral you know, you can see the next wind but no straight way there.


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #347 on: March 17, 2011, 05:26:42 PM »
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I guess without experiments we cannot move further on this.

I agree.  I ran experiment the other night with Joule Thief over on OUR , but I'd like to do some coil shorting experiments.  I think it will help with my Boyce TPU replication.

Speaking of HV experiments, how do you guys deal with scoping potential output waveforms which might burn out your gear?

My frequency counter has max input of 30V, and my analog scope has peak of 1000V  (how do you guys keep from burning out your scopes / freq counters if you are dealing with 60V to 1000V P-P waveforms?)

Thanks,
Feynman

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #347 on: March 17, 2011, 05:26:42 PM »
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #348 on: March 17, 2011, 05:41:34 PM »
Hi Romerouk,

thanks for all the details. I'm still experimenting with this. You said that the single magnet has to attract to the core even if in repulsion. Please tell if you get the same: let's say you have the 5 magnets + core in one hand and the single magnet in the other. If you approach the single magnet to the core even 10 or 15 cm away you can feel the repulsion. As you get closer the repulsion gets stronger till you get to about 1cm, there the single magnet seems to overcome the repulsion and starts being attracted to the core. There is a balance point right about there and this corresponds to minimum current draw. Move the single magnet in either direction and input current goes up.
Is this the same in your setup? 

You mentioned 58-60 kHz, did you mean Hz or kHz? I ask because even just going to frequencies of 20 kHz the magnets don't seem to have the slightest effect on the performance, like it would be without magnets (basically just a buck converter).

Also, what is your input power, maybe it only works above a certain threshold.

thanks,
Mario
« Last Edit: March 17, 2011, 07:15:44 PM by popolibero »

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #349 on: March 17, 2011, 05:42:29 PM »
>have you ever assembled any device based on the shorting concept or gradual-shorting/  unshorting concept or just you are theoriz

Shorting/unshorting yes, gradual-shorting/unshorting no. If you do not like the gradual concept feel free to forget it, after all there was "DO NOT TRY IT" disclaimer, and I meant that :P

For those who like the concept and do not read disclaimers... I guess without experiments we cannot move further on this. I feel we have almost all lego pieces but do not 100% know yet how to put them together. Progress is like a spiral you know, you can see the next wind but no straight way there.

yssuraxu_697,

You leave the impression that you have done a lot of research in this area.
Why not post some results?

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #350 on: March 17, 2011, 05:55:17 PM »
Speaking of HV experiments, how do you guys deal with scoping potential output waveforms which might burn out your gear?

100x probe (I have 2.5kV one, wasnt too expensive), and real careful with keeping the stuff properly grounded. There are also HV testleads for multimeters around. But I try to keep my experiments under 1000V so do not use them. Also I do not stick series ampermeters inside impulse systems, real easy to burn them even if average consumption of the system is 10mA :)

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #351 on: March 17, 2011, 06:06:15 PM »
@MasterPlaster,
Do you have the full document to the VIC.jpg pic?
I wonder if the gap between windings has to be specific to match some timing process. Or if the precession is just natural or... I can't even think how to propose this...

Here it is in a ring. I have one also.

So it seems there are many was to mangle the flux. Some more precise than others. And Mother nature will return the favor depending on how you ask.
The Magna coaster device looks to be a single stage.

In relation to the above, how about this?

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #352 on: March 17, 2011, 06:17:01 PM »
Why not post some results?

My experiments are small scale and focused on theoretical issues, this means that absolute efficency is not a goal (yet). Rather systematically comparing solution A efficency to solution B efficency and moving up the ladder. This may be unfamiliar approach to many "OU or nothing" researchers :)

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #353 on: March 17, 2011, 07:45:23 PM »
@GK

This was figure 10.4 of Stanley Meyer's Technical Brief:

http://www.free-energy-devices.com/P8.pdf


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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #353 on: March 17, 2011, 07:45:23 PM »
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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #354 on: March 17, 2011, 08:14:05 PM »
Thanks. I thought so when I saw the 2 terminals ending in water. Didn't want to search haphazardly. Using an EMP to crack the water molecule and use it at that point is his process. We don't store the H or O for later use like most of the experimenters try to do.

The (emp)erical (arh,arh,arh) plan looks like generating, managing and harvesting an EMP.
This would explain SM's TPU thumping. This is not new to me. The recent posts are verification of why I couldn't escape building EMP devices. I was hoping for something tamer for years. Guess I have to don my lead lined Dunlop man suit.

Good luck to all trying to find components to make the EMP faster. Huh???
We can collect with iron, steel, or magnetic flux. These mediums actually slow it down and magnetize to a greater level. With a coil around it then we can catch the perturbations or blow the crap out of magnets.

@GK

This was figure 10.4 of Stanley Meyer's Technical Brief:

http://www.free-energy-devices.com/P8.pdf

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #355 on: March 17, 2011, 08:26:06 PM »
I am beggining to think that TPU worked on the same principal.
I remeber a comment "squeezing the electrons like a hose pipe"!

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #356 on: March 17, 2011, 09:09:49 PM »
The hose pipe is the core.

I was always looking to twisting the electrons in the core. Not so any more.

Stan states Resonant action produces the secondary form of activity called Particle-impact. This is the energy from the vacuum. This is the free energy. This is the action at a distance. This is the phase conjugation.

I am beggining to think that TPU worked on the same principal.
I remeber a comment "squeezing the electrons like a hose pipe"!

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #357 on: March 17, 2011, 09:55:29 PM »
Did basic test:

Common core, coils side by side with slight gap.
Shorting one coil does not change the inductance
of the other coil.

Common core, bifilar coil, shorting one strand lowers
the inductance of other.

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #358 on: March 17, 2011, 11:27:16 PM »
In your statement 'side by side' is that end to end? Just for clarification.
Side by side sounds like Leedskalnin PMH with U shaped core.

Did basic test:

Common core, coils side by side with slight gap.
Shorting one coil does not change the inductance
of the other coil.

Common core, bifilar coil, shorting one strand lowers
the inductance of other.

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« Last Edit: March 18, 2011, 12:20:14 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Shorting coil gives back more power
« Reply #359 on: March 18, 2011, 12:09:49 AM »
In your statement 'side by side' is that end to end?

End to end, yep.

Did one more test. This Magnacoaster thing - biasing core with magets. Test core (steel bolt) was set up like this:

NS[ ||||| ||||| ]NS
Two windings, "end to end".
Not sure was it NS NS or SN SN, did not have compass at hand.

When I fed one winding with sine wave, then other winding registered distortion like this:
http://www.qscaudio.com/support/education/designing_line_arrays/images/sine_wave_distortion.png
Look red wave.

When I fed one winding with positive square impulses, the other winding received signal strength X.
When with negative square impulses, the other winding received signal strength X - 40%.

So it has prominent "magnetic diode" effect.

In all cases received signal was weaker when magnets were attached to core.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2011, 12:38:39 AM by yssuraxu_697 »

 

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