Rad HHO, as you slowed down the frequency, the voltage went up?  I would think that you would have hit a standstill (a point which thereafter, the pizeo-electric would not respond).  I think that may be limited by your input voltage.

My thought here, is that the two are co-related.  Except with increasing the frequency, you would need more voltage to compensate.  I do not know why, but this is just the route that I would normally investigate with the wave-generators.  (Edit:  This is what e2matrix said.    Thanks for the info!  )

I have found some circut-boards.  China markets are pretty diverse, and can find a lot of stuff.  You just gotta look carefully:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/hainetec1/product-detailFMOQVpBKMHkI/China-Ultrasonic-Generator-Ultrasonic-PCB-.html

Thoughts there?

On the off chance that anyone can look -- why not just look into a high frequencey ultrasonic transducer?
I am finding some transducers which are of novel cost (I'd assume shipping is the kicker):
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/352922184/10w_50Khz_Ultrasonic_transducer.html

If the pizeo's do not work  (or if we cannot easily adapt the input voltage to match the frequency), then I would imagine that these kind of transducers may fit the bill.

My next questions: Do we know if we are trying to hit 43 KHZ exactly, or just above the 43 KHZ range?
Next, why are we looking for the dis-association frequencey?  How do the crystals just "help" the dis-association (does it work better at certain frequencies, or is it just the electrical oscilation of the crystal that rips water molecules apart?)

Is it not the electric force that we are breaking, through the pizeoelectric oscilations at a set frequency?  Or does this somehow infer that through sound that we can manipulate the electric nature of matter?  I would imagine "constructive intereference" to be coupling together, amplifying itself at at certain resonant frequencies to produce electric effects? 
If this is the case, this would sound like a base, in the work that keeley was associated with.

These questions are posed to everyone -- they are questions which I would normally ask myself.  In this case, I have not yet found the answers to them, so instead of reporting back with the answer, I am merely asking the question.

I hope it sparks someone else to discuss,
==Romo

So, the pizeo-ceramic discs:

http://www.annon.com.cn/product/PZT-atomizing.htm

The driving circut board:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/hainetec1/product-detailFMOQVpBKMHkI/China-Ultrasonic-Generator-Ultrasonic-PCB-.html

I would only like a clear "that should work" before I buy the units.  The pond foggers are nice trinkets, but I don't have the expertise to modify them myself.
I have since, been looking for high frequency transducers, or variable frequency humidifiers.

Written a few emails to a few companies, will wait for replies to point me towards the right product, which should 'fit the bill' for this project.

Cheers,
==Romo

More testing, or more input from someone who knows is needed......

Hi Romo,

You are doing a terrific job.  You have a lot of well focused energy and a great mind.  Thanks so much for sharing with all of us.

In several posts Powerme said we had all the information we needed to go forward with this project, so I've been going back and doing a lot of reading to see if there was something he shared earlier that I might have missed.  Well today, I saw that in one post he had ordered for himself 10 piezo ceramic at $3.00 each delivered.  I didn't find anything about the electronics he used in conjunction with the devices though.  I did see a post on Aaron's Gray Plug, where Powerme said he never used circuits as such.  So, I'm not exactly sure what he was doing.  I also saw in a more recent post where he said there were professional / industrial models of the piezo transducers available that  were fully tunable to the necessary specs.  In an even later post though, Powerme tells us to take care and not make it to complicated.  He's got a lot of clues out there but nothing has really clicked for me yet.  He also said in one post that it would be best for us all to got out and do our own research now instead of working with others.  Well, I'm glad we're working on this project as a team, because I'm not connected with my higher self yet and I need the help of others as we try to tie in all the loose ends here.

Thanks Powerme for all you have shared.  This is for sure a very interesting enlightening project.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Any ideas?
==Romo

Hi Romo,

I'm unable to download your book package from Megaupload.  Thanks!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

The books contained in "book package"
(Lemme know if the link goes down)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=533MBGYE

Thank you for all your help so far,
==Romo

John_G sent this site to me.  He was trying to do something else with the piezos and was driving his with a signal generator.  Anyway, he's very busy and doesn't have time to help right now.  Here's the site he recommended that might have information for us.

http://www.americanpiezo.com/knowledge-center/piezo-theory/applications.html

I am soooooo sorry! 

I knew something wasn't right about the voltage being so low.

For some reason when the fogger is plugged in, but the water sensor is not sensing water, there is a saw tooth wave at the output @ about a half a volt.

When I activated the water sensor, the readings changed a little.
The saw tooth changed to a perfect sine wave, but still @ 120 Hz. The voltage is more what I expected @ 31 volts.

When I connected the piezo disc, with the water sensor made, the 120 Hz has 1.7 Mhz modulated on top of it. The voltage went up to 120 volts.

As of yet I don't have a function generator powerful enough to drive the piezo disc at 43 Khz. I have some pwm circuits I will have to dig out and try.

Rick

Guys! 
I have Great news!
The last batch of crystals did the trick.  I let them sit for longer than I usually would, and I thought that I was allowing it to grow longer crystals.  I didn't know if it worked or not until I had it dried.  It stopped raining today, and my crystals finally dried out.  Some of them that were stuck to the masonry jar.

So I scratched some of the crystals off the masonry jar.  Put it into a ziplock baggie.  Sucked out all the air I could.

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/Romo_Land/SaltWater/0317012142.jpg

Put it in water, above the pizeoelectric.  The waves were heavily dampened by the ziplock bag, but after a few minutes, I could see a few air bubbles in there that were not present before.

Took a bigger ziplock bag, and more of that batch of crystals.  Still little bubbles seemed to add up over time.  Because the crystals were not "stuck" to any surface, they were constantly swooshing around the bag.  I could not easily discern, which were air bubbles,and which were little zinc oxide bits floating around.

So, I stuck the transducer inside the masonry jar, and left it on its side.  No mist was produced, but I hammered the insides of that jar with the pond fogger frequency.  It appeared to still be producing minute ammounts of air, out of the water.  Little bubbles rose to the surface.

The pictures are bad quality -- but you might be able to see them.  They liked to bubble up around the power chord.

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss173/Romo_Land/SaltWater/0317012148.jpg

So, what have I concluded?

They DO work.  The crystals ARE pizeo-electric, and they produce HHO, in minute quantities.

So, what is the next step? 

We need to be making the crystals work better.

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Powerme just mentioned a structure which amplified wave frequency.  I suspect a common household bowl, or "half basketball" shape would do the trick, if the ZnO were bound in the center somehow -- where the wave would be most compressed into the crystals.

Making the ultrasonic transducer run faster -- past 43 KHZ, also suposed to increase HHO production.  Peirce oscilator circut for the frequency mod. (Sorry, I missed that.  )

Making my own ZnO from zamak may be useful. (For the Al, and Mg. in small quantities in it)

The Ionizer to produce HHO, Post-mist-fogger in setup.

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I will be posting my further progress this week, in how I will be fine-tuning the system.
For now, the proof-of-concept -- IT WORKS. 

Happy thursday to a close,
I hope we make it in enough time.


On an off-tangent note -- Powerme, I do not quite know what I am preparing for. 
I only know that I am bracing against something to come.
Is there any way that I can know what I need to be prepared with?  Or how I need to be prepared?  If not from you, where may I learn it?  How long do we have?  It is driving me nuts to see everything slipping up a little bit, and not know how long I have.

Thank you for your time -- I am trying. 
So far, it seems to be working. 

==Romo