Can anyone here yet confirm that Zn0 actually amplifies the production of HHO?  I've got a humidifier that's just begging to be dismantled but would have to order Zn0, so it would be nice if someone could confirm its efficacy or lack thereof...

Hi Power To Be,

I missed this response.  Thanks for sharing your information with me.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

There are many fascinating things you can do with Brass in acoustic cavitation!. The sky is not the limit, water has many many phases. For the water fuel project, simple atomizing ultrasonic chamber  will work just fine. For Home power,  water sonoluminescence is extreme power!.

Wow Power To Be,

That sonoluminesence for home power sounds like what I want.  I never heard of that before.  Thanks for sharing about it.  If you would share a little more about it I'd sure appreciate it.  Thanks!!

I'd like to get totally off-grid.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

There are many fascinating things you can do with Brass in acoustic cavitation!. The sky is not the limit, water has many many phases. For the water fuel project, simple atomizing ultrasonic chamber  will work just fine. For Home power,  water sonoluminescence is extreme power!.

Can anyone here yet confirm that Zn0 actually amplifies the production of HHO?  I've got a humidifier that's just begging to be dismantled but would have to order Zn0, so it would be nice if someone could confirm its efficacy or lack thereof...

Yes, It produces HHo.  How much of it, will be determied by determined by our fuel chamber's geometries -- or by the process of "influencing" as listed above.

As for the test I used for that -- I literally dried out my first batch of crystals (they stuck on the inside of the masonry jar) -- and pointed the ultrasonic pond fogger at them, poured water in the 1/2 gal jar --- and I got little bubbles -- kind of like you might see a soda pop bubble up.

This was all the testing I needed before I began making lots of batches of crystals, and researching how to stick the crystals to the inside walls of your atomizing chamber.

As for adhering the crystals:
I have decided to go try an experiment with electrolosis -- if not, I can adhere the zinc by letting it dry out of the substance.  Epoxy, I feel would be a more last-resort way, because of the spring "cushion" feeling of dried epoxy (at least when I've done it).  I think the epoxy could be a minor wave-dampener. If any of these experiments dont turn out well, I will be using epoxy -- but there are equally simple ways to get the crystals to stick to another surface.

Goodness knows I haven't even looked into potential ceramic configurations. 
If you are creative about it, there are no shortages of answers.

I will be likely using folded up aluminum foil, made rough from sandpaper -- stacked side by side, glued/fastened to the underside of a dead CD.  I hope the sheer quantity of surface area, if put directly above the transducer (while in the water) will allow the vibrations to hit enough of the crystals -- quantity is the goal here) (to make them produce enough HHO to make the mixture combustable)

I suspect this will stifle one pond fogger, and not allow as much mist to be produced -- if any -- so I will have a secondary fogger running to produce the mist.  12 V fan could potentially run it into the intake manifold.

This is one "prototype" I had In mind.

Another will be mentioned shortly.

More recently:
I have been diverging my efforts into researching how to get the water to be dis-associated with the ion-wind/air pump.  I feel that if I can get that part of the process to be "good" -- we might not even need the crystals.

It took a little bit of thinking about what powerme meant -- but a TT might = a Tesla Transformer.
If anyone doesn't know -- Tesla coils & tesla transformers can be extremely simple to build if you know how to.

I have been reading for the past few days on all these tangents -- There is a very vast depth to this condensed information powerme is chucking at us.

This leads me to the second prototype (which may be able to bypass using crystals)

The pond fogger, pumps out finely atomized water -- producing HHO, as well as pumping the mixture into the intake manifold.

If too much HHO is made by the ionizer, you could bubble it through a secondary pond fogging-chamber, to "dillute" the HHO gas with more water.  A secondary fogger would produce additional mist, an additional 12V fan to pump mixture into intake manifold.

Making the correct ammount of HHO, would be a matter of tuning the tesla tranformer, to adjust the ionizer voltage, and frequency.  Like I said though, a little more research is needed to understand it (Tesla Transformers, How to build them, how to tune them, Spark gaps, (potentially) Home made Caps / Gaps & coils -- the whole thing, to build yourself) -- but I hope this gives you an idea of the potential secondary "function-able" prototype.

Either way -- I think it could work.  Making the crystals, seeing them produce HHO, have all passed my 'proof of concept' trials to great satisfaction.  I'm getting ready to test a few full setups over the next week.    My buddy who is helping me test, comes back tonight, so we'll be on the ball experimenting this next week.

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Powerme, thanks for the heads up about the Dew.  I had been thinking of a way to extract ORME's from the air and seawater (I can see them, darned it -- the little white dust dots constantly moving against the background blue sky)

I have a simple setup in mind which should collect quite a bit of dew.
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Will write more in a bit,
==Romo

I don't mean to be pessimistic, i think the bubbles being HHO may be a good assumtion BUT  -
How did you confirm the bubbles you made where HHO?
Could those bubbles have been just normal cavitation bubbles? Something other than HHO?

It at least proves that bubbles are made by this interaction.

I saw quite plainly with my eyes, where the bubbles were comming from.  It was near the crystal flake formations on the side of the jar, and near a "slush" zinc deposit on another side.  If you would like to conduct your own tests to see if the crystals produce a satisfactory result, you are welcome to observe.  The escaping gas mixture was enough to produce a flickering in a butate lighter held above the masonry jar.

I think using a different Zno substrate may be useful in obtaining more HHO bubbles. (Substrate =  zamak), Or, by adding magneisum chloride to the crystal 'mix' as it is cooking should add magnesium to the crystals.

I have said that the results I have as to yet obtained, have been satisfactory.  I beleive this project can work.  If I beleive that -- What was it that I was looking for?
In considering powerme's tangents in this way, it has been most helpful to me to getting more answers out of his statements, or hints.

==Romo

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My next questions: Do we know if we are trying to hit 43 KHZ exactly, or just above the 43 KHZ range?
Next, why are we looking for the dis-association frequencey?  How do the crystals just "help" the dis-association (does it work better at certain frequencies, or is it just the electrical oscilation of the crystal that rips water molecules apart?)

Is it not the electric force that we are breaking, through the pizeoelectric oscilations at a set frequency?  Or does this somehow infer that through sound that we can manipulate the electric nature of matter?  I would imagine "constructive intereference" to be coupling together, amplifying itself at at certain resonant frequencies to produce electric effects? 
If this is the case, this would sound like a base, in the work that keeley was associated with.

These questions are posed to everyone -- they are questions which I would normally ask myself.  In this case, I have not yet found the answers to them, so instead of reporting back with the answer, I am merely asking the question.

I hope it sparks someone else to discuss,
==Romo

I think you probably have caught this by now since Power to be posted it again later here but he said earlier that it should be above 43 Khz and I believe he said he used 45 Khz. 

Powers to be,
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Water sonoluminescence is extreme power!.
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your saying we can do this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

Now that would be very nice!!

Chet

Is that an advise of negligence or your potential application?.

Cavitational sonoluminescence  bursts is produced with negative ion influence, I prefer the nucleation effect of positive influence.

Thanks for giving us some more details on the Cavitational sonoluminescence!!

Is that an advise of negligence or your potential application?.

Cavitational sonoluminescence  bursts is produced with negative ion influence, I prefer the nucleation effect of positive influence.